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this is the end, isn't it?

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merryxmasnot · 24/12/2023 23:27

Been with DH a long time. 3 teenage kids. Until a few years ago, I would have said our marriage was strong and good, although always had a problem with his temper. He's not the best at processing/articulating emotions - flares up very quickly, not great at communicating calmly when there is any conflict. However, until recently he would be quick to apologise and this sort of thing would happen rarely.

Past few years have been quite stressful for various reasons, he's snappy and grumpy the majority of the time, and his temper is getting worse. He's never violent, but he shouts and swears at me and the kids. It's like he sees red. We had a lovely day today, doing festive prep, having fun with the kids. We saw some friends in the afternoon, had a few drinks (this probably didn't help), came home, he was doing more cooking. Kids were pissing around play-fighting and DH lost his shit with them to the point he made them all cry.

He was literally screaming at them that he does so much for them and they don't appreciate him, it was an absolute explosion and we were all begging him to stop. After storming around the house, telling us Christmas was off and making the poor kids utterly distraught, he calms down a little bit. Lays a bit of a guilt trip on them, trying to explain that they do his head in, and he's so stressed out, and feels unappreciated etc. It was awful. I feel like they'll never forget this. Eldest son was saying our family is dysfunctional. He is right.

I have apologised to the kids, tried to talk in through. I hate to say it, but I even made some excuses for DH to try to 'explain things' - when I know in my heart there is no excuse.

What also feels disturbing is that - while he's apologised to the kids - he's not apologising to me. Has gone to sleep in another room leaving me to put all the presents out etc.

This is it, isn't it? I can't come back from this.

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merryxmasnot · 24/12/2023 23:33

Sorry, that was so long. I guess things haven't been good for a while - and tonight felt like a shocking, horrible, final straw, and I am so shaken.

I need some practical tips to get me through the next few days, please.

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StrawberryWater · 24/12/2023 23:39

Work on leaving him.

If he has another outburst just walk away. Take the kids and leave, even if it's only for a walk around the block. If he blocks you leaving or gets violent call the police.

Also do not minimalize or excuse his behaviour to your kids. They won't thank you. Just say you're working on making life happier for them (or words to that affect).

AuntMarch · 24/12/2023 23:39

My uncle blew up at us all like that once. Coming up to 30 years ago. I've not seen him since!

Your children deserve better and so do you.
Him proactively seeking and attending therapy to manage his anger would be the way I'd even consider standing by someone who could treat his own children that way at any time, but especially during what should be a special time to spend together such as Christmas eve. Please stop making excuses for him, that's almost like your gaslighting your children! There is no excuse.

Opentooffers · 24/12/2023 23:42

It's time to pull the plug when your DC's are clearly getting damaged by his behaviour. Do nothing, and continue to excuse him - and even apologising when it's nothing to do with you!- they will remember you as a weak mother who did nothing to protect them from a bully. You don't want them to be thinking of you this way. Time for tough talking and making an exit plan. Get your ducks in a row, your DC's will totally understand and back you.

merryxmasnot · 24/12/2023 23:46

Thank you. Don't get me wrong, I did say to children it wasn't acceptable of him, but was trying to explain that he has had a tough/stressful year etc, and it all got on top of him tonight - it's partly true, but there is no excuse.

He's so fucking ridiculous, he always wants to cook a load of elaborate stuff and was going about it today (bear in mind he actually does genuinely enjoy it) and having a good time. Then he gets pissed off and explodes with a whole martyr angle - 'I'm doing all the cooking, no-one is grateful' blah blah. Meanwhile, I did ALL the present shopping and wrapping, and I am not having a tantrum about it.

I actually feel sick and like he spoilt our whole Christmas.

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merryxmasnot · 24/12/2023 23:47

@Opentooffers - kids will be completely devastated.

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merryxmasnot · 24/12/2023 23:50

My poor daughter was even saying 'I look at my friends' families and think 'they can't be like this'. This isn't the first time there has been some big, horrible row like this, obviously - but this feels like the worst.

It's just not okay, is it?

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bananalover98 · 24/12/2023 23:52

Kids won't be as devastated as you are right now. If he's in a good mood tomorrow and you are they will live in the moment. -hopefully.

I would start looking into the financial sides of things when it comes to leaving him. On the quiet, the more practically prepared you are the easier it is and the less anxious you will be.

What another commented, if there's another outburst take the children and leave the house even for 30 minutes. Text him asking if he has calmed down before returning and explain how it made you and the children feel. This can also be used as evidence should it be needed when it comes to divorce etc.

GL - could also try him with counselling or GP could be depression or mood disorder that could be treated.

merryxmasnot · 24/12/2023 23:57

@bananalover98 - that made me feel a bit better, thank you. But it's not like they are little and all will be forgotten - they are teenagers and know it's not okay. I love them so much. I worry they will be so keen to leave home when things like this happen. Who would want to come back at Christmas if there's a risk of scenes like this?

I have tried to ask him to go to therapy in the past to get some help managing his temper. He has pretty much refused. I am not sure he loves me anymore tbh.

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determinedtomakethiswork · 25/12/2023 00:03

I think if you don't try quickly then, yes they will want to leave home ASAP and they won't want to come back again. You need to gain their trust now and not give excuses for his behaviour but say it is absolutely unforgivable and you are not going to put up with it, and you are going to separate in the New Year. If you don't do this, then I think your relationship with your children will be seriously damaged.

They may get upset if you say you're leaving him, but for heaven's sake, they've seen how bad he can get.

Ebokebok · 25/12/2023 00:05

You need to get out for everyone's sake. Your kids will hate you in time to come for not leaving. They will hate that you put up with it and they will develop terrible anxiety. Been screamed at by a grown man is terrifying. Do it for your own sake too and in the meantime, stop appeasing this vile bully. Stop begging him and trying to bring him round.

bananalover98 · 25/12/2023 00:12

merryxmasnot · 24/12/2023 23:57

@bananalover98 - that made me feel a bit better, thank you. But it's not like they are little and all will be forgotten - they are teenagers and know it's not okay. I love them so much. I worry they will be so keen to leave home when things like this happen. Who would want to come back at Christmas if there's a risk of scenes like this?

I have tried to ask him to go to therapy in the past to get some help managing his temper. He has pretty much refused. I am not sure he loves me anymore tbh.

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My dad had a temper but a frequent one and I was always just so happy and relieved when he was in a good mood.

I think it's important you stand up for them over anything else and don't let on anything serious is occurring to them, thoughts of leaving etc as they will always associate it with Xmas for the rest of their lives.

Your nobhead DH might have already done this damage with his outburst today but all you can do until you're out is protect them and be happy and daft around them. Do not make excuses for him, they need to know how their feeling is justified and they have been wronged. Not that is is normal and something that just has to be dealt with or they will make the same excuses for people to treat them badly in the future x

merryxmasnot · 25/12/2023 00:51

@bananalover98 - thank you again. I will try to jolly things along, but quite hard when I don't even want to look DH in the eye. I've just put all the presents out by myself. Can't really believe this has happened in all honesty.

Part of me is thinking about an ultimatum in the New Year - ie he gets help managing his temper and learning to control his awful mood swings or the marriage is over. We just can't live like this any more. It feels like he's become a monster. A scene like this would be bad enough any time, but the fact he kicked off like this on xmas eve breaks me. Do you think the kids will always remember this?

What really upsets me is that I have a tendency towards anxiety due to a pretty fucked up childhood and upbringing - I have had a whole bunch of therapy to try to help myself, and predominately, not to let it impact on how I parent. I am by no means perfect, but I try my best. Now I am also having to fight this situation. I feel like such a fucking failure.

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CrapBucket · 25/12/2023 00:54

You are not a failure! Will reply properly in a moment x

merryxmasnot · 25/12/2023 00:59

@CrapBucket - hmmm, well. All I wanted to create a happy loving secure home for my kids - and it is not that. So I have failed.

When my daughter said earlier that she looks at her friends' families and thinks they must have a better time than we do, I felt so devastated. I know all families have arguments, and no-one is perfect - but it seems we are seriously dysfunctional.

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thatwassociopathic · 25/12/2023 00:59

My brother pointed out that my ex, who is like yours but also abuses drugs, is now middle aged (44) and will never change. Not without proper rehab and psych help. He'll never admit he needs either and it dawned on me he's right. Old habits die hard, it's time to accept it or leave. I hope you choose leave for all of your sakes! X

Motherrr · 25/12/2023 01:01

You are not a failure and this is not your outburst - it's his! Sorry you're going through this at xmas. Have you openly discussed his temper with him/do you think there could be anything else going on if it's got worse? Definitely not nice to grow up in a home walking on eggshells but don't worry too much about your kids- every family is dysfunctional in some way- they will be ok - if I were you I'd probably grin and bear it over xmas if you can but start making plans for the exit

CrapBucket · 25/12/2023 01:02

Ok sorry for that I needed to tell you that you are not a failure but I also really needed to go for a wee!!

Right, first off - he is abusive and this is not something you can tolerate.

He either can’t change or doesn’t want to change. Otherwise he would have done.

You are in the final stage of parenting-at-home before your teens become adults and make their own way in the world.

My kids were 14 and 16 when I initiated separation from a very similar sounding man. It has not been easy but it has been so much better than staying would have been.

The time for ultimatums has been and gone. Just get through the next few days and then work out how best to split up. You are very strong and you can do this.

ValerieDoonican · 25/12/2023 01:02

I think that your kids will always remember this. You have the power to show them this was the last Christmas he was able to ruin, and give them a future of peaceful , cooperative Christmases largely without him - or like my parents, you could subject your children to a few more in the same adrenaline-soaked (for the kids) mode, and leaving your kids, like me, unable to enjoy Christmas for about 10 years, and reluctant to spend it with either parent for about 20.

uclpp · 25/12/2023 01:11

Why is he snappy and grumpy all the time? Is it possible that he’s having an affair? Quite a feat making 3 teenagers cry.

merryxmasnot · 25/12/2023 01:14

@Motherrr - thank you. I know every family is dysfunctional but this felt off the scale tbh. I DO think he's getting worse, yes. Like I said, it has been a tough year but his grumpy, snappy behaviour has been worsening - and the outburst earlier was one of the worst I've seen.

He did eventually calm down, and actually got quite tearful in front of the kids saying sorry. He was going on about how he been so stressed at work (honestly, his job mainly involves taking clients for lunch - he seems to manage to contain his moods with them of course) and how no-one appreciates all the effort he makes (funny how thanking him profusely all day long for the cooking he chose to do went totally unnoticed). He was making the kids feel so bad 'we do so much for you blah blah blah'.

Writing this down I am getting so fucking angry.

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Damnedidont · 25/12/2023 01:22

You are not dysfunctional he is dysfunctional. Maybe write to him including everything on this post. It's probably the only way you'll be able to get the words out without him constantly interrupting. Sorry your Christmas is so spoiled

Disturbia81 · 25/12/2023 01:22

DON'T make excuses for him to kids. They'll see you as an enabler when they get older. Or make it seem acceptable.

3luckystars · 25/12/2023 01:23

I just wanted to wish you all the best. Don’t let this be minimised, show your children that this is wrong and you or them don’t have to stand for it. Good luck x

merryxmasnot · 25/12/2023 01:24

@uclpp - yes, the fact that they were all crying - particularly my eldest DS, who is pretty guarded with his emotions in lots of ways - shows how awful it was.

Why do you ask about an affair? I know every woman says this, but I really don't think so. His workplace is quite male, he's around us a lot (right now I wish he weren't), I just don't see it.

This isn't another excuse, but I am now realising that he may have had more to drink than I realised. I joined some him and some friends of ours at the pub late afternoon and they had already had a few when I arrived (again, what a 'stressful time' for poor, poor DH!) and then we had a couple while I was there. So that probably REALLY didn't help. Not sure whether or not to mention that to the kids.

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