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Just cannot get my head around my parents.

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Tanaphiru · 16/12/2023 15:13

I suppose my first instinct here is that I'm asking the internet for permission to go no contact, which is something I know I can only decide for myself, but I just had to write down what my parents are like.

I'm fifty-one. My parents are still together and in their mid-seventies.

I swear - I SWEAR - I am not exaggerating when I say my father has only ever cared about one thing: the television. He has two states: watching television or wishing he wasn't doing whatever he was doing so that he could get back to watching television. Nobody visiting the house expects a word out of him and they just focus on my mother. When we were children (I have a brother) we never knew when his hair-trigger temper (which I no longer tolerate) would erupt and we'd get a smack across the face. But when I look back it was always for a non-sensical reason connected with him being in a situation he couldn't cope with, which was basically anything social. (This also meant it was usually in front of the whole family that we were hit, adding to the humiliation). As an adult I can see he is simply a breathtakingly weak man. He was also happy to hit (with full rage and force) family dogs - I'm talking a Dachsund and a Cocker Spaniel here - and yet he wouldn't DARE behave in such a way towards anyone or anything outside the four walls of our house.

So yes - my mother does all the talking. And yet she too basically has two states: talking to people as if she just caught them at the bottom of slide, or talking to them as if they just fell off the slide and bruised their knee, depending on what the conversation appears to her to require. It's beyond patronising. When she does it to strangers (shop staff etc.) you see them literally back away from her, yet I promise you she goes to bed certain she's an angel of goodness in the world.

She's one of those women who does things for people only for the thanks and the appreciation, and if the thanks doesn't come quickly enough or doesn't communicate enough admiration, someone's going to be getting brutally slagged off.

The talking-but-saying-nothing thing also obviously applies when I've tried to get out of her why she stood by and enabled our 'father' to be such a non-father and completely negative presence.

And yet all the bills were paid, there was always a roof over our heads etc. etc. etc. I've read that they're classed as 'emotionally immature parents'...but my goodness...I literally don't know them. Never miss them when they're not around. I only feel relief.

They seem to value not actually knowing anybody, including their children, in any kind of real way. I think perhaps they've found safety in that. I swear any chatty checkout girl/boy at the supermarket or stranger who asks to briefly share my table in a busy cafe makes for an atmosphere a thousand times more comfortable than they ever have.

If you've read this far, thank you. As I say, I just had to write this down.

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Lottapianos · 17/12/2023 15:55

'Have any of you fallen in to the trap I fell into, being overly reactive when you first tried to be heard?'

YES! It really bloody hurts to not even be seen or heard as a separate person by your own family. It IS crazy-making. I can absolutely relate to your anger, and them trying to smooth things over with gifts would have given me the rage too

ChanelNo19EDT · 17/12/2023 15:55

Nobody likes a mad woman as taylor swift says. So this is why I'm low to no contact now. It's not that I'm determined not to forgive, it's that I don't like who I am around them so I have to bow out.

ChanelNo19EDT · 17/12/2023 16:03

Yes @Lottapianos , I have to live with their "ruling". Chanel is mad. I gave them "mad". Served it up on a purple cushion.

They will never look at what drove me to shout. I wasn't even shouting, I was talking with a raised voice, there was emotion in my voice. But the family narrative is that chanel was aggressive and shouted.

I can live with it though, I guess. Now.. It's an injustice but I can deal with it. As @Tanaphiru said, it's a revelation to understand that the sky doesnt fall down when family believe you're mad/bad/sad.
It's the sitting with uncomfortable feelings, this is what they cannot do.

Lottapianos · 17/12/2023 16:14

'It's the sitting with uncomfortable feelings, this is what they cannot do'

Spot on! Sitting with uncomfortable feelings is hard, and painful, and weird, and uncertain. It's such an important skill to learn. But if you can't do it, then you end up having to construct your own reality to protect yourself, and take refuge in blaming and shaming anyone who messes with the carefully constructed narrative

Tanaphiru · 17/12/2023 17:12

@ChanelNo19EDT They will never look at what drove me to shout

This is something that really does get to me. The fact it isn't anywhere even close to being on their radar that my response to something they've said or done might be legitimate. All they care about is the fact they've been contradicted. It's simply not 'permitted', even for their adult children.

It's patronising, insulting, dehumanising...you name it.

Again, what's bringing a little sanity back to all this for me is to simply ask myself how I'd expect any child of my own to feel if I behaved this way toward them, and the simple answer comes back that a) I would not deserve their time, and b) it would be unpleasantness I had caused, not them.

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DancesWithDucks · 17/12/2023 17:35

@Tanaphiru Ive been reading and you have such a gift for summing up what's happening.

Out of interest what does your father do if the TV is broken?

Wondered if this sentence, written in the 1880's I think it was by a priest, would help:

"It is the parents who demand most respect, loyalty and obedience who have done least to earn it".

ChanelNo19EDT · 17/12/2023 17:47

Yeh, id never expect my daughter to just validate my narrative, espwcially one that paints me as the perfect victim of her. 😐
It"s hard to imagine, as we do communicate, but if she gave me feedback, I'd listen, with the goal of strengthening our relationship.

In some ways, being my parents' daughter has given me the instruction manual on how not to create distance between you and your child, how not to shame them for having a sense of self, how not co-opt them into your unconscious coping mechanisms! And more parenting tips!

Tanaphiru · 17/12/2023 17:54

@DancesWithDucks Thank you :)

If the living room TV broke, he would simply sit on his bed and watch the one he has in there :)

I swear to you the only time I've seen him what you would describe as visibly 'happy' was for about two hours about ten years ago when he was setting up his first widescreen TV. It made me f**king nauseous.

99% of my memories of him are just fifty-one years' worth of images of him sat in different armchairs watching different TVs in different houses, with the other 1% consisting of the tantrums and excruciating tension...

But it's so, so strange to me that most of what he's watching day in and day out on that damn box is HUMAN BEINGS ACTING NORMALLY. And yet there seems never to have been a single moment in his life where he's compared his own existence to all these characters...or rather, cared how dysfunctional he blatantly is compared to them.

In the past I'd feel really awkward when I was there and watching something with the parents and a situation was playing out that involved some kind of distanced father-daughter relationship, until I realised it just wasn't registering AT ALL with him in that way and I was completely wasting my energy!

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DancesWithDucks · 17/12/2023 18:07

I get the cognitive dissonance. I have a half brother who works in family and mental health healing ... While not wanting to know me, his half-sister, as it would cause family trouble. The irony does not escape me.

ChanelNo19EDT · 17/12/2023 18:19

I know what you mean, my mother reads a lot, amongst other books, stories like the little house by philippa Gregory and The Corrections by Jonathan Frantzen, books by booker prize winnerrs, books by Anne Enright, and yet she never ever sees herself in there. She sees me in there!!

DancesWithDucks · 17/12/2023 18:25

Come to think of it my awful step mother, who carefully and effectively removed everyone from my father's life who'd been there before she and he got together, also worked for a family mediation and support service.

I wonder if this isn't a coincidence?

Viamar · 17/12/2023 18:32

I am sorry, they do sound on the autistic spectrum. You should be very proud of yourself for surviving this abuse but the trauma of your childhood may need addressing in years to come. Perhaps counselling?

Tanaphiru · 17/12/2023 18:33

@DancesWithDucks You could be onto something. My sister-in-law has always worked for various charities and done counselling work, yet is the least empathetic person you'd ever wish to meet, haha.

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Tanaphiru · 17/12/2023 18:44

@viamar It's a good point. Somewhere earlier in the thread it was pointed out that you have to be careful; you can end up thinking you have this stuff figured out and that you're dealing with it, but in reality you're living a 'reactive' life, not a truly emancipated one.

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MsRosley · 17/12/2023 19:04

But it's so, so strange to me that most of what he's watching day in and day out on that damn box is HUMAN BEINGS ACTING NORMALLY. And yet there seems never to have been a single moment in his life where he's compared his own existence to all these characters...or rather, cared how dysfunctional he blatantly is compared to them.

That's so grimly hilarious. I wonder what he'd do if someone made a sitcom episode about a man who does absolutely nothing but watch TV all day.

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