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Just cannot get my head around my parents.

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Tanaphiru · 16/12/2023 15:13

I suppose my first instinct here is that I'm asking the internet for permission to go no contact, which is something I know I can only decide for myself, but I just had to write down what my parents are like.

I'm fifty-one. My parents are still together and in their mid-seventies.

I swear - I SWEAR - I am not exaggerating when I say my father has only ever cared about one thing: the television. He has two states: watching television or wishing he wasn't doing whatever he was doing so that he could get back to watching television. Nobody visiting the house expects a word out of him and they just focus on my mother. When we were children (I have a brother) we never knew when his hair-trigger temper (which I no longer tolerate) would erupt and we'd get a smack across the face. But when I look back it was always for a non-sensical reason connected with him being in a situation he couldn't cope with, which was basically anything social. (This also meant it was usually in front of the whole family that we were hit, adding to the humiliation). As an adult I can see he is simply a breathtakingly weak man. He was also happy to hit (with full rage and force) family dogs - I'm talking a Dachsund and a Cocker Spaniel here - and yet he wouldn't DARE behave in such a way towards anyone or anything outside the four walls of our house.

So yes - my mother does all the talking. And yet she too basically has two states: talking to people as if she just caught them at the bottom of slide, or talking to them as if they just fell off the slide and bruised their knee, depending on what the conversation appears to her to require. It's beyond patronising. When she does it to strangers (shop staff etc.) you see them literally back away from her, yet I promise you she goes to bed certain she's an angel of goodness in the world.

She's one of those women who does things for people only for the thanks and the appreciation, and if the thanks doesn't come quickly enough or doesn't communicate enough admiration, someone's going to be getting brutally slagged off.

The talking-but-saying-nothing thing also obviously applies when I've tried to get out of her why she stood by and enabled our 'father' to be such a non-father and completely negative presence.

And yet all the bills were paid, there was always a roof over our heads etc. etc. etc. I've read that they're classed as 'emotionally immature parents'...but my goodness...I literally don't know them. Never miss them when they're not around. I only feel relief.

They seem to value not actually knowing anybody, including their children, in any kind of real way. I think perhaps they've found safety in that. I swear any chatty checkout girl/boy at the supermarket or stranger who asks to briefly share my table in a busy cafe makes for an atmosphere a thousand times more comfortable than they ever have.

If you've read this far, thank you. As I say, I just had to write this down.

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Gowlett · 16/12/2023 17:04

My parents have become increasingly like in their 70s. They’re so insular. Anything spontaneous really throws them. They hate asking my sister anything “as she’s too busy” (and important). Even sending a text is a massive undertaking…

Tanaphiru · 16/12/2023 17:04

Man...some of it's hard to put into words isn't it... In our family it wasn't so much overtly said as it was kind of assumed and implied - they were both blameless and good because of it (the roof-over-the-head stuff) and that was that.

You could talk about this stuff all day. One thing I've noticed with my parents is that their own personalities are so undeveloped they've never been able to process any shades of grey in anybody else's. E.g. it was absolutely 100% fearfully taboo for me or my brother to disagree with them about anything. Their only interpretation of it was as 'cheekiness', and was, again, likely to result in a slap.

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Aria2023 · 16/12/2023 17:11

@Tanaphiru they sound emotionally neglectful and your dad abusive. I think it's so helpful (for us as people) to look at how we were raised and how it shapes us. It sounds like you're breaking what is perhaps a generational curse, which is great.

Sadly your parents will never change and so if they bring so little to your life, I think you should focus your love and efforts on people in your life who do.

If you want to go no contact,maybe write a letter explaining why. You don't have to send it, but sometimes writing these things down can bring some closure to a chapter. It can help to have to reread should you have a wobble about it. Just to remind yourself of why you've chosen the path you have.

Crikeyalmighty · 16/12/2023 17:14

I think there are a lot of older couples out there who are very unhappy and instead of thinking about separating , they turn inwards and become very insular. You see them in cafes etc- look as if they can't stand each other - I think depression in older people often manifests itself in a different way to younger people who are often more open about it - especially if they have friends

Tanaphiru · 16/12/2023 17:20

I have to say again thank you so much for all these helpful and supportive replies. It's actually given me a bit of a knot in my stomach - I'm a bit shocked at how unusual it feels to be listened to and agreed with having described it...there's definitely programming buzzing around my head that says it's impossible for them to be in the wrong.

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Lottapianos · 16/12/2023 17:24

OP, I can relate to a lot of your post. I don't really know my parents either, don't enjoy spending time with them, don't miss them even when I don't see them for months on end. I stopped trying to work out exactly what is going on with them and their relationship a long time ago. They live in a bubble and construct their own reality - anything they don't understand or that is unfamiliar to them simply doesn't exist. I used to feel like I didn't really exist either because they didn't approve of choices I made and the life I was living. It's a seriously weird and distressing experience

Please give yourself full and total permission to make any decisions that bring you peace. You owe your parents nothing. They have treated you appallingly and seem to bring nothing at all to your life that is positive. I really feel for you - it's a sad and disturbing experience having parents like this

Escapingafter50years · 16/12/2023 17:29

OP, do you realise you have been abused all your life?

I just realised this in the last few years myself. It's been a very difficult journey needing a lot of support. A good therapist makes a huge difference, additionally I can recommend 3 things for you -

The Stately Homes threads here.

Lindsay C Gibsons book Adult Children of Emotionally Immature Parents.

The podcasts Insight - Exposing Narcissism

Also highly recommend going NC, it's time to look after yourself.

Devonshiregal · 16/12/2023 17:30

Tanaphiru · 16/12/2023 17:20

I have to say again thank you so much for all these helpful and supportive replies. It's actually given me a bit of a knot in my stomach - I'm a bit shocked at how unusual it feels to be listened to and agreed with having described it...there's definitely programming buzzing around my head that says it's impossible for them to be in the wrong.

I totally get this. For me standing up to them or pointing out that they have done something hurtful just results in them magically morphing into victim mode. It’s immediate. My mother cowers and claims she doesn’t want to be involved (despite insulting me two minutes prior) and my father calls me a bully. It’s utter derangement. They genuinely genuinely think they can say and do whatever they want and I should just take it….and if I get cross about it/stand up to them then I’ve “started an argument.”

its grotesque. But I don’t know how to go no contact - I’m like a bloody child who just wants their mum and dad to like them. They’re narcissistic and as it was my whole life I was subjected to it I can’t break that programming even if I know logically that I should - maybe someone who has managed this will be able to offer some advice we could follow in regards to this.

having a partner and children of my own who have witnessed this behaviour is the only thing that’s helped me to grow and cope with it somewhat because I know I’m not crazy! but it still hurts.

hope you can make peace with your situation and go forward with positivity

Tanaphiru · 16/12/2023 17:33

@Lottapianos What I don't understand is why these people choose the bubble every time in favour of addressing their fears and inadequacies and actually daring to try making themselves a little happier. I sometimes think it can be a downside of coupledom generally - sort of tacit agreements that get made not to break out of the comfort zone they've built or question each others' approaches to life...which is the OPPOSITE of living a good life as far as I'm concerned.

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FreeRider · 16/12/2023 17:36

Your parents sound just like mine - minus the domestic violence and tv obsession.

One thing you posted really gelled with me:

One thing I've noticed with my parents is that their own personalities are so undeveloped they've never been able to process any shades of grey in anybody else's. E.g. it was absolutely 100% fearfully taboo for me or my brother to disagree with them about anything.

I'm 55, my mother is 82 and she is still like this (no idea about my father, I've been no contact with him for 34 years. No idea if he's even still alive). My mother's way of thinking is so black and white it's unreal. Anyone who dares to disagree with her, or have tastes that don't perfectly align with hers, is wrong. End of, no discussion.

When I was 14, we were visited by family friends, a couple, that we'd known for years. The wife had been myself and my two brothers tutors when we were living in the third world (another horror story in itself). The husband had been bought up Catholic but was no longer practicing, hadn't for decades...they would have been in their early 40s at this time. That Sunday, my mother (practicing Catholic then and now) nagged him to DEATH about attending church with us...to the point that it was embarrassing. Even 14 year old me was cringing at her complete lack of ability to accept that he no longer wanted anything to do with the religion. My father (also not Catholic, never had been) had to basically tell her to shut up in end. That was 41 years ago and I can still feel my shame at the way my mother acted.

StaunchMomma · 16/12/2023 17:37

It sounds like going NC with them would bring only positives for you, OP.

I also think therapy would likely help you let go of some of the fear they instilled in you.

We all only have one life. I really don't think you should give them one more minute of yours.

pickledandpuzzled · 16/12/2023 17:39

DM genuinely doesn’t understand why people don’t fall in line with her, because she’s right. She doesn’t understand other people feel differently- when we fail to fall in line we must be being deliberately malicious which is awful when you think about it. DM has decided that I ‘lack empathy’. Obviously if I was more empathic I’d organise my life so it revolves around her.
it’s really sad because she isn’t happy. She’s constantly frustrated by people being ‘deliberately awkward and unkind’.

Lottapianos · 16/12/2023 17:40

'A good therapist makes a huge difference'

Couldn't agree more. I was in therapy for several years - it was a long difficult process but also the best thing I've ever done for myself

@Tanaphiru , I guess it's more comfortable to stay in the bubble and construct your own reality where you're the victim and everyone else is awful. My parents are extremely emotionally immature - I honestly don't think they have the emotional skills (empathy, humility, self-awareness) to reflect and develop. They went to see a 'marriage counsellor' years ago. They only lasted one session - they were each hoping that the therapist would blame EVERYTHING on the other person! When that didn't happen, they bailed out 🤦🏻‍♂️

pickledandpuzzled · 16/12/2023 17:41

Oh and have you heard of FOG? You are feeling Fear, Obligation and Guilt. Thou shalt not…
upset your mother/father

choccytime · 16/12/2023 17:46

Am so sorry you and your brother had to put up with that , and your poor dogs too I would have gone NC a long time ago , they dont deserve to have you in their lives , break free from them and dont look back

Tanaphiru · 16/12/2023 17:51

@Devonshiregal There's so much I relate to in your post. I've noticed it when standing up to bad behaviour time and time again: you gear yourself up for a big blowout that never happens - the bully just immediately transforms before your eyes into a victim.

This thing of being the one to 'start the argument' too - in our house the dinner table was the perfect place to be as rude as you liked to somebody and then blame them for runing the meal if they stuck up for themselves.

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Lottapianos · 16/12/2023 18:01

'This thing of being the one to 'start the argument' too - in our house the dinner table was the perfect place to be as rude as you liked to somebody and then blame them for ruining the meal if they stuck up for themselves'

Oh hell yes! And there's often somebody in the family who Must Not Be Challenged no matter how outrageous their behaviour is, and if you stand up to them in any way, you're The Antichrist and brought it all on yourself

Ifulikepinacoladas · 16/12/2023 18:02

TiredOfYourNonsense · 16/12/2023 16:49

OP, I'm sorry you had absolutely crap parents. I wouldn't even speak to them. When I was a care worker, I saw so many elderly people whose "family never visits or cares". What other people didn't see was the background you describe here. One old boy in particular was a lovely, friendly, gentle old bloke, a retired policeman - it turned out he used to knock his wife and kids about for years

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This is what bothered me and my Dsis when my dad was in a nursing home. We felt judged because we were limited because of distance on how often we cld visit. But I know if he had been a different kind of dad, we'd have moved heaven and earth to see him more.

We often talked about how older people are assumed to be 'lovely' and the people that looked after my dad said similar (which is great and I'm glad they thought that) but they never know the background.

EveryFrogHasItsDay · 16/12/2023 18:03

Can you report them re: the dogs? They could be taken in by the RSPCA and rehomed somewhere where they are loved and safe from abuse.

dapsnotplimsolls · 16/12/2023 18:05

I think it would be completely justified to go NC with them. Just out of curiosity - how does your brother feel about them?

goMe46 · 16/12/2023 18:08

I went no contact (mother) about 3 months ago
Mostly feel ok about it
It's better for my mental health and self esteem

Couldn't take anymore of her lies and manipulation and bringing stress and anxiety to my life.
Then she'd deny or snap at me.

No Thanks.

Bagpussdreams · 16/12/2023 18:09

@Tanaphiru I know this is missing the point, but your descriptions are so vivid - what a way with words you have.

goMe46 · 16/12/2023 18:11

Just to add ..myself and my sibling went no contact with our mum when we were both 48 (2.5 years apart)

Not planned ,but an interesting coincidence.
I think coming up to 50 plays a part.

Tanaphiru · 16/12/2023 18:14

@dapsnotplimsolls It's honestly hard for me to figure out where my brother stands on the subject. He seems content in himself, but on the other hand he doesn't really 'do emotions' if you know what I mean, and I'm afraid I've witnessed him and his wife behave very similarly to my parents toward their daughter many times (no physical violence though).

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Startyabastard · 16/12/2023 18:15

I have revoltingly crap parents, too OP.
The author 'Peg Streep' is very good at writing books that are full of recognition and healing. There's also a Facebook group for the occasion.