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SiL openly dismissed my abuse history... where on earth do I go from here?

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deppart01 · 13/10/2023 16:52

Name change in case of being outed. Will try and keep it brief.

Been with DH 10 years, married for 6. His sister has always been a bit of a tricky character, likes to have controversial opinions and debate. Up 'til now it's been something I notice but mostly ignore.

She recently posted a long statement on social media regarding the recent Russell Brand documentary. (She believes he's innocent, I'm less convinced. I can still respect her right to have a different view than mine even if I don't agree). However the post went well beyond just discrediting the women who have come forward in the documentary. She started openly questioning in the event that the assaults in the documentary did happen, who is really accountable for a sexual assault when someone "knowingly walks down a risky path with warning signs everywhere". Then gives the opinion that as RB has substance abuse issues and a mental health diagnosis so he's not responsible for his actions anyway and is instead a victim of the media.

I was sexually abused before I met DH (by someone who was also a substance abuser and had MH diagnoses, so there is some notable overlap to RB). SiL is one of a handful of people who knows this. I found her post utterly triggering and frankly couldn't believe her stance around accountability. I felt like she was essentially openly saying that being assaulted was my fault. I spent the next two weeks feeling really low and preoccupied by it all. I definitely felt like it was something that had ruptured my relationship with her, so decided to reach out to her in the hope of talking it through and moving forward.

Sent a private message to her explaining how I felt really vulnerable bringing it up... but also how triggered I'd found that post given my experience, but emphasised I didn't think she'd purposefully tried to say anything insensitive. She sends back a long and furious message basically saying how dare I suggest she'd ever be insensitive to victims of sexual abuse and she isn't. She said if I'd approached this as a "chilled conversation" she'd have been happy to discuss... ?because most people love discussing their trauma in a casual manner(!)?

DH suggested I try and talk to her on the phone, as it's hard over messenger. So I sent a short reply, emphasising I don't think she's a bad person and I really don't think she knowingly meant to come across as she did, but I had found that post really hard to read and I was open to chatting about it instead if that's what she wanted.

So then she replies saying "To be honest (using my full name that she hasn't used in 10 years), I don't care if you find my views triggering. I don't know what your motive was in targeting a member of this family. It's a massive overstep on your part."

So I spent the day crying non-stop, feeling the lowest I've felt in years to the point I wanted to self-harm, which I also haven't done in years. I've never felt so dismissed and silenced by anyone other than my abuser. I showed DH the message and he tried to explain it as maybe she's forgotten I have lived experience of sexual assault. I said she definitely knows. All I know after that is he messaged her to confirm that she knew this and whatever she said left him to angry to continue to speak to her.

So now I feel utterly stuck. If this was anyone else I'd stop having any contact with them. I've lost all trust and respect for her, her views of victim blaming and her response to me have been incredibly painful. I feel if we were talking about my Best Interests then I wouldn't have any contact with her again. But I know doing this would hurt my husband (who grew up with members of the family cut off for long periods and still resents this to this day), our children, my nieces, my MiL and FiL. So I feel like maybe I have to find a way to physically tolerate her presence but this also feels like a miserable way to spend all family meet ups going forward.

Any advice or anyone been in a similar position on how to manage it?

OP posts:
MidnightOnceMore · 13/10/2023 17:08

Take a break. Block her temporarily and retreat for now while you take care of yourself just now.

You don't have to decide this minute whether you ever speak to her again, you can just give yourself a few weeks of peace to let your feelings settle down.

I'm sorry to read you had such an awful SA experience Flowers

deppart01 · 13/10/2023 17:11

Thanks @MidnightOnceMore . We were meant to be booking a holiday all together this week for my in-law's anniversary next year. I just don't think I can face committing to anything at this stage. I think you're right about holding back.

It's so hard seeing DH so hurt by her behaviour towards me. I know logically it's not my fault, but it does make me feel guilty for having been abused and having spoken up about my feelings. :(

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IwinUlose · 13/10/2023 17:16

Tbh, I wouldn't have messaged her after reading her ignorant victim blaming post. I would have made a mental note not to trust her and keep low contact with her meaning saying hello in a family event but making zero effort to ever be around her unnecessarily, don't text her or ask after her etc.

Your husband's excuse was pathetic and then to retraumatise you by suggesting you ring and speak to her was really spineless of him.

Your priority is yourself. Tough shit if hubby doesn't like his family gong no or low contact, you need to look after your own boundaries.
Block your SIL off your social media and anyone who triggers you no matter who they are. There are things in life if people can't figure out for themselves there is no hope you spilling your guts will make them see.

IwinUlose · 13/10/2023 17:18

And don't frame it as it's miserable to be around her in family events, see it as I'm here because I like the company of xyz and attending this event is important to them I'm not here for SIL. Just blank her beyond a polite hello and give her no thought. She is the one who should feel bad, not you.

Another option is to invite the people you do get on with on their own and do your own events and meetings without her.

Orio2023 · 13/10/2023 17:18

Her post was inappropriate. Your response was also inappropriate. The post wasn’t about you in any way and she’s not responsible for the feelings it’s brought up.

Loopytiles · 13/10/2023 17:19

SILis a dick. Certainly wouldn’t want anything other than low contact after that.

DH’s behaviour is spineless and inconsiderate.

IwinUlose · 13/10/2023 17:19

OMG you can go to your holiday and enjoy the other people there just keep it at minimum with her

MidnightOnceMore · 13/10/2023 17:21

You're not responsible for the actions of his family or the abuse you suffered.

make me feel guilty for having been abused Please don't go here - the victim is never to blame for the actions of the abuser - as you know really Flowers

Basilton · 13/10/2023 17:23

I didn’t understand this comment to you “I don’t know what your motive was in targeting a member of this family”. Confused

It is too late now, but I also would not have responded to it. It is social media, people post all kinds of crap, just ignore it. It also wasn’t about you and I don’t think it is accurate to say that she dismissed your abuse history.

I would probably just leave it now other than reduce interactions.

MontyJames · 13/10/2023 17:25

Op she sounds like a "I'm not like other girls " type who is horrible and dismissive of women who have been abused. Damn her to hell. And your husband is rather disappointing as well.
As another PP said block her, look after yourself and in future, a quick hello and ignore the horror.

cansu · 13/10/2023 17:29

She posted something very stupid. However it is a post on social media. You don't have to read her views and she doesn't have to consider that you might find them upsetting. That is basically the nature of the Internet. I am sure that if I read the posts of some of my family members and colleagues I would find something I found awful and upsetting. However I would not contact them to say so or make their post about me. I think you made an error in contacting her about this.

ThreeLeggedKitten · 13/10/2023 17:35

Just block her every way you can. Go on holiday with in-laws but keep her at arms distance. Horrid woman.

WastingTimeOnTheInternet · 13/10/2023 17:37

My DH has a relative like this. I say ‘hello’ if I see her at family events and that’s it. I don’t engage. DHs family member loves to say controversial things for attention. I just see her as pathetic.
You played into her hands by contacting her. When you know someone has been through something horrific there is no way you would share something digging at it if you didn’t want a reaction. She’s a cow.

pieintheski · 13/10/2023 17:39

Orio2023 · 13/10/2023 17:18

Her post was inappropriate. Your response was also inappropriate. The post wasn’t about you in any way and she’s not responsible for the feelings it’s brought up.

This

SunflowerTed · 13/10/2023 17:39

I think I’d have ignored her post and just not said anything. Kept her at a distance as her views aren’t compatible with yours given the circumstances. It probably wasnt personal

toomanyboxes · 13/10/2023 17:41

Well that would be that as far as I'm concerned. There is no way I would ever want to be in the same company as her ever again. What a despicable woman she is.

Ponderingwindow · 13/10/2023 17:42

You can go low-contact and manage to deal with her at things like holiday dinners by keeping to small talk.

You don’t have to agree to a family holiday. Not all families go on holiday together.

Cowlover89 · 13/10/2023 18:02

Just block her. I'm so sorry that happened to you x

BookwormDadUK · 13/10/2023 18:10

What a horrible, horrible experience. Goes without saying, your SA was not in any way your fault (as I'm sure you know). I would tolerate her on family occasions if you have to be in the same room but otherwise ignore her. I sincerely hope DH has your back and wouldn't tolerate the way you've been treated.

Unexpectedlysinglemum · 13/10/2023 18:41

Block her on all platforms and minimal communication with her and strict boundaries at family events until you get a genuine apology but don't hold your breath.

saraclara · 13/10/2023 18:52

Yep. I'm afraid that confronting her about this was never going to go well. You think that doing so will make you feel better, but actually it tends to just set off a bomb in the family and makes you feel worse.

For now you need to focus on bring yourself back from where you are now. If you can go on this holiday as planned, I think it would be helpful. Difficult at first, but there will be others there, and if she treats you poorly, she will be the one looking bad. Carry yourself calmly and with dignity and hopefully it will help move things on.

Orio2023 · 13/10/2023 19:04

There’s no need for blocking at all. Your SIL was discussing a news issue, as many people are. She has said nothing at all about you or your experience. You were wrong to contact her and I would be very annoyed in your Sil shoes. What response did you want when you contacted her? Because you said directly to her that you didn’t think she’d purposely said anything insensitive and that you know she didn’t mean to come across as she did.

So you acknowledge she wasn’t implying anything about you or being malicious. It was wrong of you to blame her for your triggered feelings.

The fact that you have spent two weeks crying and thinking about self harming indicates you need support around this issue. Going no contact and causing issues in the extended family isn't going to help matters.

It is easy enough to unfollow someone if you don’t agree with their veiws.

1980F · 13/10/2023 19:07

Block her on phone & social media and put her comments to the back of your mind. Forget the holiday

saraclara · 13/10/2023 19:15

I feel if we were talking about my Best Interests then I wouldn't have any contact with her again. But I know doing this would hurt my husband (who grew up with members of the family cut off for long periods and still resents this to this day), our children, my nieces, my MiL and FiL. So I feel like maybe I have to find a way to physically tolerate her presence but this also feels like a miserable way to spend all family meet ups going forward.

You're right that cutting her off would lead to its own set of problems that would also make you feel bad about yourself. So yes, you do need help to manage the limited contact with her that you might need to have in order to maintain good relations with the rest of your in-laws and allow your DH and your children to continue their relationships with them.

Can you afford to have a few sessions with a counsellor?

pumpkinsareshortlived · 13/10/2023 19:38

SiL is an insensitive opinionated cow. Really was there any need for discussing the RB situation on social media except for attention and putting her uneducated and excusist opinions over? Her post has likely triggered many who read it and she had no right to impose her views on others.

You were right to message her, but sadly with a bombastic person like this, it will have little impact. You may just have to accept this and put some space between you both.

What you don't have to do is a joint family holiday. Personally couldn't imagine enduring more than 5 minutes in her company. The holiday will be all about her way or the highway making you feel even worse tagging along with a no doubt demanding loud mouth.

Why not suggest you and your husband taking parents in law away yourselves if only for a long weekend or foreign city break? I'd be telling my DH that you have no intentions of spending a week or two with her.

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