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SiL openly dismissed my abuse history... where on earth do I go from here?

115 replies

deppart01 · 13/10/2023 16:52

Name change in case of being outed. Will try and keep it brief.

Been with DH 10 years, married for 6. His sister has always been a bit of a tricky character, likes to have controversial opinions and debate. Up 'til now it's been something I notice but mostly ignore.

She recently posted a long statement on social media regarding the recent Russell Brand documentary. (She believes he's innocent, I'm less convinced. I can still respect her right to have a different view than mine even if I don't agree). However the post went well beyond just discrediting the women who have come forward in the documentary. She started openly questioning in the event that the assaults in the documentary did happen, who is really accountable for a sexual assault when someone "knowingly walks down a risky path with warning signs everywhere". Then gives the opinion that as RB has substance abuse issues and a mental health diagnosis so he's not responsible for his actions anyway and is instead a victim of the media.

I was sexually abused before I met DH (by someone who was also a substance abuser and had MH diagnoses, so there is some notable overlap to RB). SiL is one of a handful of people who knows this. I found her post utterly triggering and frankly couldn't believe her stance around accountability. I felt like she was essentially openly saying that being assaulted was my fault. I spent the next two weeks feeling really low and preoccupied by it all. I definitely felt like it was something that had ruptured my relationship with her, so decided to reach out to her in the hope of talking it through and moving forward.

Sent a private message to her explaining how I felt really vulnerable bringing it up... but also how triggered I'd found that post given my experience, but emphasised I didn't think she'd purposefully tried to say anything insensitive. She sends back a long and furious message basically saying how dare I suggest she'd ever be insensitive to victims of sexual abuse and she isn't. She said if I'd approached this as a "chilled conversation" she'd have been happy to discuss... ?because most people love discussing their trauma in a casual manner(!)?

DH suggested I try and talk to her on the phone, as it's hard over messenger. So I sent a short reply, emphasising I don't think she's a bad person and I really don't think she knowingly meant to come across as she did, but I had found that post really hard to read and I was open to chatting about it instead if that's what she wanted.

So then she replies saying "To be honest (using my full name that she hasn't used in 10 years), I don't care if you find my views triggering. I don't know what your motive was in targeting a member of this family. It's a massive overstep on your part."

So I spent the day crying non-stop, feeling the lowest I've felt in years to the point I wanted to self-harm, which I also haven't done in years. I've never felt so dismissed and silenced by anyone other than my abuser. I showed DH the message and he tried to explain it as maybe she's forgotten I have lived experience of sexual assault. I said she definitely knows. All I know after that is he messaged her to confirm that she knew this and whatever she said left him to angry to continue to speak to her.

So now I feel utterly stuck. If this was anyone else I'd stop having any contact with them. I've lost all trust and respect for her, her views of victim blaming and her response to me have been incredibly painful. I feel if we were talking about my Best Interests then I wouldn't have any contact with her again. But I know doing this would hurt my husband (who grew up with members of the family cut off for long periods and still resents this to this day), our children, my nieces, my MiL and FiL. So I feel like maybe I have to find a way to physically tolerate her presence but this also feels like a miserable way to spend all family meet ups going forward.

Any advice or anyone been in a similar position on how to manage it?

OP posts:
GilberMarkham · 14/10/2023 08:54

Orio2023 · 13/10/2023 17:18

Her post was inappropriate. Your response was also inappropriate. The post wasn’t about you in any way and she’s not responsible for the feelings it’s brought up.

"SiL is one of a handful of people who knows this"

She should have thought about this before she posted. She's just too much of a dickhead to ... And then she doubled down on being a dickhead.

Hibiscrubbed · 14/10/2023 08:56

ZebraD · 14/10/2023 07:52

I don’t think you should have responded to her. She wasn’t talking about you yet you have taken it personal so she has been defensive. Russell Brand has been allegedly targeted because of his voice against big pharma so of course people will have very different views about that situation versus yours.
I think apologise to the sister to smooth things over. She can’t be the target because you were abused. I can understand her upset and I am guessing that things got heated with both of you.

Edited

You think Russell Brand is the victim here?

GilberMarkham · 14/10/2023 08:57

ZebraD · 14/10/2023 07:54

You can’t assume she was even thinking about OP when she wrote the post.

Exactly - and that's the fucking problem.

She's too dumb and insensitive to think abiut get sil's history - which she's well aware of.

WandaWonder · 14/10/2023 08:57

Orio2023 · 13/10/2023 17:18

Her post was inappropriate. Your response was also inappropriate. The post wasn’t about you in any way and she’s not responsible for the feelings it’s brought up.

Yes all of this

GilberMarkham · 14/10/2023 09:02

His sister has always been a bit of a tricky character, likes to have controversial opinions and debate.

This is of the utmost importance.

She's clearly a bit of an idiot and a mouthpiece.

Your mistake has been in taking anything seriously that she says .... Treating it like it's valid, treating her like she's valid ..and trying to pull her up on anything, and expecting any kind of rational, sensible, sensitive response.

Shes not rational or sensible or sensitive. She's clearly rather poorly adjusted and possibly a little bit bonkers.

Your only option with a crazy like this is to ignore them and roll your eyes.

Stay as civil as possible til this blows over and then stay civil for your partner's family sake ..... When you've got crazies in the family like this, your only option is polite, distant, detached, wry, eye rolling tolerance. (Or NC, and it sounds like you don't want to go NC).

She talks shite, she's an idiot ... End of story.

Don't waste your energy or emotion on trying to challenge her or debate with her.

GilberMarkham · 14/10/2023 09:05

WandaWonder · 14/10/2023 08:57

Yes all of this

Bull fucking shit.

If my sil was affected by a very sensitive issue, I would not be be publicly posting inflammatory comments on that very sensitive issue - because ive got a titter of wit, and common decency.

How very fortunate for her that this stupid bitch hasn't been a victim of sexual assault to date (or has failed to recognise it as such if she has been).

SarahC50 · 14/10/2023 09:33

Hi there, it does sound like she's backtracking with her victim blaming rhetoric but there's been no acknowledgement of the hurt and upset she has caused to you her sil,her family member.

Inexcusable for her to lash out and send a vile message to your husband. Is this normal for her to lash out. It's classic darvo. Deny and reverse victim and offender. She's caused huge hurt and offense and suddenly you and your husband are the problematic ones.

You're right to ask for space and time. You need to recover and feel better. You don't have to jump because she seems she wants to communicate. Please remember despite what some on this thread are saying, you did not cause this she did and any family fallout re holidays etc is firmly her fault.

I'm really glad your husband is supportive. Turn off emails etc and try and have a peaceful weekend focussing on your own wee family. Regardless of apologies etc I think you are going to have to distance yourself,put up your barriers to stop this woman hurting you again. Thinking of you xxx

deppart01 · 14/10/2023 09:34

Crumbs, that took off. Just catching up on replies, again thanks to all.

Just to restate as some are continuing to go down this line- I don't belive her post was directly written about me. But she makes sweeping statements about women who experience sexual assault, which she knows does include me.

Her long message she's sent to me as an "olive branch" includes the statement that the function of her post was never meant to be in support of women who make accusations (whilst in the next line literally saying she's an empathetic person and would never dismiss a victim's approach). She also drops in that the #MeToo movement has been unhelpful in causing a "surge" in false accusations and then points to a person on Big Brother who falsely accused someone of physical (not sexual) assault.

So, I sort of do get that she's trying to reach out... But it's also three pages all about her and her views, not any recognition into her own behaviour. I think others are right that I'm not going to be able to discuss this with her as she's not prepared to listen or even try and see it from a different perspective. I'm going down the I Need Space route for my own sanity.

OP posts:
Redwinestillfine · 14/10/2023 10:03

Can you ask your DH to meditate? Tell him you need an apology about her comments to you, and will agree to disagree with your sil on the rest.

ZebraD · 14/10/2023 10:48

Mistressanne · 14/10/2023 08:01

Are you mad?
Do you really believe that RB was targeted because of his you tube channel ?
No op shouldn’t apologise to her sil.
Her sil, however innocently, was so keen to air her nasty views that she didn’t even stop to think about op.
Sil is self absorbed and a victim blamer.
And you sound like a victim blamer too.

Are you mad? Do you think he wasn’t!
let’s not detract from the real issue though!

CherryCokeFanatic · 14/10/2023 10:49

Don’t know what you expected from sending a message. If you’d said nothing things would be fine and you could make your own decision about limiting contact or subjects of discussion etc

AFieldGuideToTrees · 14/10/2023 11:08

OP,

She's sent an olive branch. For the sake of relations between you and your DH and his parents and sister, I'd accept it if I were you, but at the same time acknowledge to myself that this has changed the dynamics.

You can step back and have a long think about how you want things to go from now on. I don't think you were wrong calling her out, people with idiotic views need stopping in their tracks every now and again. And it's obviously enabled her to think about what she wrote, even if she doesn't change her views.

She isn't a total stranger who you'll never see again, you have connections, and whilst I wouldn't be doing the holiday thing again, I'd probably accept that we're going to interact at some point.

LaurieStrode · 14/10/2023 11:16

CherryCokeFanatic · 14/10/2023 10:49

Don’t know what you expected from sending a message. If you’d said nothing things would be fine and you could make your own decision about limiting contact or subjects of discussion etc

Agree with this. Engaging with social media on such topics is fruitless.

Is it possible for you to access any counseling, OP?

LaurieStrode · 14/10/2023 11:17

GilberMarkham · 14/10/2023 09:02

His sister has always been a bit of a tricky character, likes to have controversial opinions and debate.

This is of the utmost importance.

She's clearly a bit of an idiot and a mouthpiece.

Your mistake has been in taking anything seriously that she says .... Treating it like it's valid, treating her like she's valid ..and trying to pull her up on anything, and expecting any kind of rational, sensible, sensitive response.

Shes not rational or sensible or sensitive. She's clearly rather poorly adjusted and possibly a little bit bonkers.

Your only option with a crazy like this is to ignore them and roll your eyes.

Stay as civil as possible til this blows over and then stay civil for your partner's family sake ..... When you've got crazies in the family like this, your only option is polite, distant, detached, wry, eye rolling tolerance. (Or NC, and it sounds like you don't want to go NC).

She talks shite, she's an idiot ... End of story.

Don't waste your energy or emotion on trying to challenge her or debate with her.

Edited

Agree with this.

Orio2023 · 14/10/2023 11:19

others are right that I'm not going to be able to discuss this with her as she's not prepared to listen

Theres nothing to discuss. She is clearly discussing a news issue and her views on that. You are trying to discuss a traumatic event that happened to you. It’s not the same thing at all. You are still personalising the issue.

SunflowerTed · 14/10/2023 12:56

AFieldGuideToTrees · 14/10/2023 11:08

OP,

She's sent an olive branch. For the sake of relations between you and your DH and his parents and sister, I'd accept it if I were you, but at the same time acknowledge to myself that this has changed the dynamics.

You can step back and have a long think about how you want things to go from now on. I don't think you were wrong calling her out, people with idiotic views need stopping in their tracks every now and again. And it's obviously enabled her to think about what she wrote, even if she doesn't change her views.

She isn't a total stranger who you'll never see again, you have connections, and whilst I wouldn't be doing the holiday thing again, I'd probably accept that we're going to interact at some point.

Totally agree. With the greatest respect this isn’t all about you. It’s about family relations. She has offered an olive branch - you don’t have to be best mates but for the sake of everyone just take it. Be the better person. She has explained it wasn’t about you so just accept it and move on

SunflowerTed · 14/10/2023 12:59

WandaWonder · 14/10/2023 08:57

Yes all of this

Totally agree and the SIL is entitled to have an opinion without it being deemed as personal

museumum · 14/10/2023 13:11

For her it’s a moral / ethical philosophical debate. For you it’s raw emotion and trauma. You or your dh needs to say that to her and that it’s therefore not a subject you are open to debating or discussing. I can see why you felt a need to speak up but it’s not that surprising it became some kind of debate. Which isn’t a good idea when one party is operating on a theoretical basis and the other is coming from a lived trauma.

newYear10 · 14/10/2023 13:17

Orio2023 · 13/10/2023 17:18

Her post was inappropriate. Your response was also inappropriate. The post wasn’t about you in any way and she’s not responsible for the feelings it’s brought up.

This. She probably didn't even connect the two and you went in all accusatory which some huge assumptions about her. I think the right thing was to actually speak to her first rather than text.

FloofCloud · 14/10/2023 13:17

Wow, well her angry defensiveness says a lot!! And putting herself as the victim is typical narc behaviour. I'm very sorry about your trauma, you're a survivor, take strength in your survival skills and feel sorry for your SIL foe her ignorance

newYear10 · 14/10/2023 13:20

In relation to the point above: in my family, if someone upsets someone else we raise it, talk it through from both sides and consequently repair any ruptures. It's safe to talk about feeling upset and our immediate stance tends to be along the lines (of a slightly more emoted version) of "I'm sorry, I didn't mean to hurt you, explain what's happened so I can understand why you're feeling hurt". Safe to say this isn't remotely how my SiL views upset, which I now know.

But you didn't do this. You sent a very loaded message which basically accused her of something and then this spiralled. Why didn't you pick up the phone and speak to her. So much can be misunderstood through messages.

Its5656 · 14/10/2023 13:29

I'd still go on the holiday and just keep away from her. Unless she apologised id be done. Her views are vile and I wouldn't want to be around anyone that stupid.

LifeExperience · 14/10/2023 13:30

You need intensive therapy to resolve the issues from your past. You mentally understand that the post wasn't aimed at you, but your heart doesn't understand, which means you need further help.

Your SIL has every right to her opinions, and every right to air them. You can disagree with her opinions, but you have no right to demand that she think or act differently because her opinion doesn't match yours. THAT is unreasonable.

AnneLovesGilbert · 14/10/2023 13:34

I don’t think an apology will make you feel better, especially if it’s prised out of her by your husband. You know she won’t mean it so what’s the point?

Dotcheck · 14/10/2023 13:35

Orio2023 · 13/10/2023 17:18

Her post was inappropriate. Your response was also inappropriate. The post wasn’t about you in any way and she’s not responsible for the feelings it’s brought up.

I agree with this, but it has gone past that now.

OP I would go to the event, and tell your sister in law that you want to move past it, and not discuss it further.
Then just keep her at a distance

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