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SiL openly dismissed my abuse history... where on earth do I go from here?

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deppart01 · 13/10/2023 16:52

Name change in case of being outed. Will try and keep it brief.

Been with DH 10 years, married for 6. His sister has always been a bit of a tricky character, likes to have controversial opinions and debate. Up 'til now it's been something I notice but mostly ignore.

She recently posted a long statement on social media regarding the recent Russell Brand documentary. (She believes he's innocent, I'm less convinced. I can still respect her right to have a different view than mine even if I don't agree). However the post went well beyond just discrediting the women who have come forward in the documentary. She started openly questioning in the event that the assaults in the documentary did happen, who is really accountable for a sexual assault when someone "knowingly walks down a risky path with warning signs everywhere". Then gives the opinion that as RB has substance abuse issues and a mental health diagnosis so he's not responsible for his actions anyway and is instead a victim of the media.

I was sexually abused before I met DH (by someone who was also a substance abuser and had MH diagnoses, so there is some notable overlap to RB). SiL is one of a handful of people who knows this. I found her post utterly triggering and frankly couldn't believe her stance around accountability. I felt like she was essentially openly saying that being assaulted was my fault. I spent the next two weeks feeling really low and preoccupied by it all. I definitely felt like it was something that had ruptured my relationship with her, so decided to reach out to her in the hope of talking it through and moving forward.

Sent a private message to her explaining how I felt really vulnerable bringing it up... but also how triggered I'd found that post given my experience, but emphasised I didn't think she'd purposefully tried to say anything insensitive. She sends back a long and furious message basically saying how dare I suggest she'd ever be insensitive to victims of sexual abuse and she isn't. She said if I'd approached this as a "chilled conversation" she'd have been happy to discuss... ?because most people love discussing their trauma in a casual manner(!)?

DH suggested I try and talk to her on the phone, as it's hard over messenger. So I sent a short reply, emphasising I don't think she's a bad person and I really don't think she knowingly meant to come across as she did, but I had found that post really hard to read and I was open to chatting about it instead if that's what she wanted.

So then she replies saying "To be honest (using my full name that she hasn't used in 10 years), I don't care if you find my views triggering. I don't know what your motive was in targeting a member of this family. It's a massive overstep on your part."

So I spent the day crying non-stop, feeling the lowest I've felt in years to the point I wanted to self-harm, which I also haven't done in years. I've never felt so dismissed and silenced by anyone other than my abuser. I showed DH the message and he tried to explain it as maybe she's forgotten I have lived experience of sexual assault. I said she definitely knows. All I know after that is he messaged her to confirm that she knew this and whatever she said left him to angry to continue to speak to her.

So now I feel utterly stuck. If this was anyone else I'd stop having any contact with them. I've lost all trust and respect for her, her views of victim blaming and her response to me have been incredibly painful. I feel if we were talking about my Best Interests then I wouldn't have any contact with her again. But I know doing this would hurt my husband (who grew up with members of the family cut off for long periods and still resents this to this day), our children, my nieces, my MiL and FiL. So I feel like maybe I have to find a way to physically tolerate her presence but this also feels like a miserable way to spend all family meet ups going forward.

Any advice or anyone been in a similar position on how to manage it?

OP posts:
Somanycats · 15/10/2023 20:11

BigMandsTattooPortfolio · 14/10/2023 13:57

Wow, I’m sorry OP and I know how you feel - these kind of attitudes towars SA victims trigger me too 💐 I would now put some distance between you and avoid her from now on.

Yeah but every woman is the victim of sexual assaults aren't they? The op was centering her own abuse not abuse in general and thats not on. It's not okay to say I don't like what you said because I was abused. Every one was abused. It's not okay to make every issue about ourselves.

Somanycats · 15/10/2023 20:14

deppart01 · 14/10/2023 18:53

Yes @Whydoifeelthisway !! She just keeps saying "I'm an incredibly empathetic person"... Not once in any of her exchanges with me or in that three page document she sent has she shown an ounce of empathy!

Do you show empathy for her sexual abuse?

curaçao · 15/10/2023 20:28

She was talking about RB not you, and she is entitled to her own opinion on this matter.You well overstepped the mark!

SerafinasGoose · 15/10/2023 20:37

Loopytiles · 14/10/2023 08:08

SIL’s broadcast on social media included explicit disbelief of women alleging sexual assault and rape, victim blaming, and the suggestion that men with MH issues / under pressure are not responsible for their actions.

Indeed. This is really offensive whether readers of this post happen to have a background of abuse and trauma or not. It's unedifying and in every way distasteful.

I recognise that I personally have no right never to be offended, but can still make the choice to distance myself from anyone who spouts views as ignorant and repulsive as these.

There is nothing whatsoever to be gained by discussing this issue with her again. (Incidentally, IME when someone genuinely hasn't intended offence they're mortified when informed that someone might have interpreted their actions otherwise. People tend to get defensive when their PA actions hit their mark and, contrary to their expectations, their target points this out).

In sum, this is someone best kept at a distance. Unfollow her on social media. Short, occasional contact and talking about the weather and her health to keep the peace with other in-laws is as far as I'd be willing to go.

rantinglunatic · 15/10/2023 20:41

Of course don't have anything to do with her! Cut her out. She is toxic to the max. Don't have her in your life. Your husband should be sticking by you not excusing her. You might have to bin him too if he carries on like that.

rantinglunatic · 15/10/2023 20:41

Never talk to her again. This is not a human who you can have any rational discourse with. She's a waste of space

SerafinasGoose · 15/10/2023 20:47

Russell Brand has been targeted because of his voice against big pharma

Horse. Shit.

Who is Russell Brand but another self-styled, crackpot conspiracy theorist who takes in only the type of gullible fool with a strong susceptibility to suggestion?

A disclaimer is necessary here that the above leaves aside who he allegedly is.

SunflowerTed · 15/10/2023 20:49

Somanycats · 15/10/2023 20:11

Yeah but every woman is the victim of sexual assaults aren't they? The op was centering her own abuse not abuse in general and thats not on. It's not okay to say I don't like what you said because I was abused. Every one was abused. It's not okay to make every issue about ourselves.

I agree. If we all brought up trauma in our pasts with stuff put out by people on social media nobody would be talking to anybody. I think both these ladies are narcissists - OP and the sister in law. I feel sorry for the husband and wider family!

Tigger1895 · 15/10/2023 21:15

Orio2023 · 13/10/2023 17:18

Her post was inappropriate. Your response was also inappropriate. The post wasn’t about you in any way and she’s not responsible for the feelings it’s brought up.

Seriously? It sounds like you couldn’t give a damn about others living through trauma as long as you get to say you piece. If your sister was abused, I think I’d pity her as you obviously see your right to freedom of speech to be more important than her right to be upset.

PabloandGustheGreySquirrels · 15/10/2023 21:22

Basilton · 13/10/2023 17:23

I didn’t understand this comment to you “I don’t know what your motive was in targeting a member of this family”. Confused

It is too late now, but I also would not have responded to it. It is social media, people post all kinds of crap, just ignore it. It also wasn’t about you and I don’t think it is accurate to say that she dismissed your abuse history.

I would probably just leave it now other than reduce interactions.

I didn’t understand this comment to you “I don’t know what your motive was in targeting a member of this family”.

I took this to mean by OP marrying a member of her family (ie: OP's DH?

deppart01 · 15/10/2023 21:26

Just to clarify here, it's not about RB's guilt/innocence for me. I personally believe he likely did the crimes he's been accused of, but I do accept there's been no legal trial to date and I also accept SiL's right to have a different opinion, especially as she's a massive fan of his. My reaction to her post was not motivated by her views on him.

As per my OP, her post started off specially about about RB and then became her stance on sexual assault in general, where she openly threw out her opinions of all accusers needing to be questioned under the assumption that they're lying, and that if a woman walks down a "risky path littered with warning signs" then they're surely accountable to some degree "if things then go wrong". Those views, to me and I'm sure many others regardless of whether you've experienced assault yourself, are not ok.

OP posts:
Orio2023 · 15/10/2023 21:39

Seriously? It sounds like you couldn’t give a damn about others living through trauma as long as you get to say you piece.

I live with my own trauma thanks. And I’m responsible for any feelings I have about that. As is everyone else. What I don’t do is react with fucking hysterics because somebody is discussing a news issue.

Because it is hysterical. It’s utterly ridiculous. All this upset and drama over someone discussing Russel brand resulting in problems within the family. The sil thinks he’s innocent, as is her right. This is what happens with trial by media.

If the op cannot cope with someone having a difference of opinion about russel brand that is her problem.

deppart01 · 15/10/2023 21:53

@Orio2023 Kindly read the post I literally wrote just before you posted yours. It ain't about RB.

OP posts:
Orio2023 · 15/10/2023 22:05

As per my OP, her post started off specially about about RB and then became her stance on sexual assault in general, where she openly threw out her opinions of all accusers needing to be questioned under the assumption that they're lying, and that if a woman walks down a "risky path littered with warning signs" then they're surely accountable to some degree "if things then go wrong". Those views, to me and I'm sure many others regardless of whether you've experienced assault yourself, are not ok.

Yes. Exactly. YWhat you are saying now is very different to your original post. None of that is in your first post. Why do you keep adding stuff?

If she has specifically said these things I find it astonishing that no one else in the family has said anything. Why do you think MIL and everyone one else hasn’t challenged her?

roarrfeckingroar · 15/10/2023 22:55

My SIL sounds a bit like you, in so far as she's sensitive and has form for becoming upset / triggered by something unrelated to her and subsequently she will want to have a long talk about it. I am not someone who enjoys these long talks; they feel like navel gazing / water torture to me. So I avoid her and we haven't spoken after a small argument 18 months ago.

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