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Husband has just walked out

144 replies

Suddenlysolo · 10/09/2023 19:37

Sorry this is really long. Name changed for some anonymity… I just need to tell someone so it’s not just me.

my husband and I have had some disagreements for a while about the degree of discipline that is appropriate. He’s never been shouty or remotely violent. But he has (I feel) slightly unrealistic expectations of how well behaved small boys are capable of being. We had a long, quite formal family lunch, and they were wriggling about / playing with toys at the table / being a bit strident about what they didn’t aNt to eat. He got annoyed with me for not managing them better and ‘him always having to be the bad cop’

later today he was trying to talk to our DS (4) about his earlier behaviour - and DS was hiding his face in a cushion and not engaging. He started escalating threats - if you don’t speak to me I’ll take away your lego, if you don’t start talking to me there will be no ice cream ever again etc.

I asked to speak to him outside the room - and suggested that if he took his ego out of the equation and left DS to his own devices a bit he’d be easier to talk to later on. (DS is 4. He gets overwhelmed if he’s peppered with questions)

DH lost his mind with me, told me I’m a terrible parent + a horrible person. That I am incapable of discipline or structure in my own life and my total lack of order is going to raise boys who can’t cope with the realities of life.

said ‘how dare you a lot’ and then marched into our youngest son and gave him chocolate and turned on cartoons - both the things he’d said that DS couldn’t have

before telling me that he couldn’t bare watching me destroy our childrens lives.

then he packed a bag and left.

he has a bit of a temper which has flared up in the past. And I’ve been understanding about it because he’s got quite a traumatic history - and has been very contrite. But this feels different.

we have got different approaches to discipline. Generally I am a softer touch, more keen to find a positive way forward - whereas he’s more reward / consequences focussed. I respect his way of doing things - he’s consistent + generally has an excellent relationship with his sons. They love him.

I don’t want that sort of anger around my DSs. I don’t want them hearing anyone speak to me the way he spoke to me this evening. I recognise that there are plenty of ways in which I could show up more supportively - but this isn’t a functional marriage. I feel so sad and anxious. I’m almost relieved he’s gone.

My boys are both peacefully in bed now - so I’m keeping myself even keeled by trying to make a plan. What do I need to do first?

I’m a SAHM - this week I’ll sign up with supply agencies (was a teacher, people always need teachers, I’m pretty confident I can find a temp job very quickly)

I’ll tell the boys he’s travelling for work this week (he travels a lot - they won’t bat an eyelid) and then we can make a plan for how to talk to the boys about it - is this something to ask for help from a child therapist? I’d love any ideas here…

I’m going to have to summon up the courage to tell all our friends + my family. Who will be shocked. I don’t want to have to deal with their pity / worry when I’m trying to hold it all together for the boys.

urgh. I feel horrible, and lonely, and so sad for my boys, me, and the future I thought we’d have. I have loved him so much.

do I find a lawyer?

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Grrrpredictivetex · 11/09/2023 17:21

@Suddenlysolo very sorry it's turned out this way, but my guess is when you actually tell people they won't be surprised at all. Usually others have seen this behaviour in him for years and will be just relieved that finally you see it. Please stay safe. Good luck.

AgnesX · 11/09/2023 17:21

Suddenlysolo · 11/09/2023 16:56

anndddd he’s just sent me a series of messages telling me he’s back home now. That he can’t do this + he’s beaten by life. That he’s resigned to living in my house as a second class citizen and dying of whatever cancer I give him. He is apparently exhausted.

this makes life rather more complicated than the threatened disappearing. I’ve emailed his therapist requesting a conversation about how to break the news to him that this is the end of the road.

thank you all for your supportive + encouraging messages. I feel seen + validated. It’s been escalating sneakily - I can be glad it didn’t go further - and very very sad for what won’t be for my family.

Now I’ve got to start saying this out loud.

"Oh woe is me" with much angst and manly chest beating. The performance of this has me grinding my teeth just reading it.

You're being far too kind to consider a nice way that this is it.

I sometimes wonder if any of these men are ones I work with. I very much doubt that he has such outbursts towards his colleagues.

plumtreebroke · 11/09/2023 17:27

Suddenlysolo · 10/09/2023 20:42

I sent him a message saying that I hoped he was safe - because he’d stormed out in such a rage.

he replied saying ‘I am ok, I have decided not to hold DS4 to account any more or question your decision making, I don’t think we’ll have problems as long as I check out completely’

right…

Sounds so like my DH, if you dare to disagree it's 'have it your way and I'm never getting involved again'. Until he does probably only minutes later... infuriating.

Comeonbarbiebrianharvey · 11/09/2023 17:32

He has totally unrealistic expectations of how a four year old should behave at a dinner. That comes later , and it sounds as though you did your best, as a teacher you ll have a lot more experience and knowledge.

Deflecting on to you and catastrophising your parenting is a horrendous overreaction.

I would say he needs a second opinion but he sounds too far gone to be honest.

BodgerBadgerMashup · 11/09/2023 17:41

Does anyone have a link to the Jamais thread "finally breaking up with sulking DH"...? This reminds me a lot of that (except she sadly did wait till the boys were teens) and her DH went quite off the rails for a bit, iirc got himself a mental health admission for a while it was all quite stressful and terrifying. Some of the ways of going on with this DH sound quite similar so (grandiose statements and threats) it might be worth a look. A few years old now?

madeleine85 · 11/09/2023 17:47

You've done therapy so you likely know this, but we also do monthly sessions (though our issues are more internal communication). I find that unless I make notes of things to talk about when they happen, the monthly session rolls around, we are usually having a good day and I forget most of the talking points and it is a bit of a waste of a session. Make sure to list this as a talking point, his response, and how you felt in the moment. Also, our therapist taught us some good ways of discussing, rather than attacking and saying "you did this" sometimes it lessens the defensiveness/attack by starting "this happened, and it made me feel x". Walking out is extreme, and you know that. It's your call how to move forward.

Shapemyeyebrows · 11/09/2023 17:55

I would be asking him to stay away for a while whilst he works on himself. He sounds really unstable. If he’s come back with that mindset I would be worried for you and your kids if he’s done all this based on a 4 year old acting like a 4 year old.

ReadingSoManyThreads · 11/09/2023 19:30

After your further updates, with him now being back in the house, I'd actually advise you do not stay there with him. He sounds unstable/unhinged. As a previous poster mentioned, murder/suicide also sprung to my mind. I would be concerned for your safety staying in the same house as him. Please tell your family or friends ASAP about your current situation so that someone in real life is aware, and then either get them to help you in getting him to leave, or remove yourself and the children as soon as possible to somewhere safe. Please keep the thread updated as there will be many on here concerned for your safety.

Suddenlysolo · 11/09/2023 19:47

ReadingSoManyThreads · 11/09/2023 19:30

After your further updates, with him now being back in the house, I'd actually advise you do not stay there with him. He sounds unstable/unhinged. As a previous poster mentioned, murder/suicide also sprung to my mind. I would be concerned for your safety staying in the same house as him. Please tell your family or friends ASAP about your current situation so that someone in real life is aware, and then either get them to help you in getting him to leave, or remove yourself and the children as soon as possible to somewhere safe. Please keep the thread updated as there will be many on here concerned for your safety.

thank you (and other PP) for you concern - I have told him he can stay in the house this week but that I would like to meet somewhere neutral next week to talk.

I will be staying with my parents for the next week. I’m going to fill them in on everything tonight. I feel like I can breathe here!

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Beaverbridge · 11/09/2023 19:52

Hes got some nerve, the way he went on about his 4 year old son, and now it's all about him. He's needing to grow up, what a twat. Glad you've got your parents for support.

TiredButDancing · 11/09/2023 20:17

exBIL once texted SIl while she was at our house. They were in process of breaking up but still in the same house and she'd got to the point where it was easier to be out on "his nights". They hadn't told the DC, were still working it all out etc. HIs message, "I just sat here crying with the DC on my lap and I had to explain to them that you don't want me as part of the family anymore" or something to that effect. That video a PP posted is remarkably accurate, and very sad.

Spottywombat · 11/09/2023 20:26

The thread is Finally divorcing sulking husband, yes, that would help.

HazelBite · 11/09/2023 21:04

I also think he sounds unhinged and dramatic and I would echo what many PP's have said for you to stay at your parents.

pikkumyy77 · 11/09/2023 22:15

Following because all of the comments are so useful. Please stay safe, OP

Suddenlysolo · 11/09/2023 22:21

@Spottywombat - thank you - that is completely wild / a good warning.

my parents are a bit shell shocked I think. DH has always been a bit of an enigma to them but never an inkling of the tantrums / drama / control - But they’ve said all the right things about my choice to protect the boys + myself.

edited for spelling

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Comtesse · 12/09/2023 09:59

If he’s really saying all these loopy things then he sounds a bit unhinged. All of this because a 4 year old was wriggly during a boring lunch. Agree that being around him may not be safe.

pikkumyy77 · 12/09/2023 10:44

I just reread the threads about the sulky husband. The diagnosis of obsessive compulsive personality disorder seems possible for OP’s dh as well. It doesn’t matter, exactly, because OP is doing the right thing in leaving based on her experience no matter what the technical cause is. But realizing that the dh here has some kind of serious personality disorder might be useful. Once you grasp that its a PD you realize you can’t ever get back a healthy counterparty. It will change your negotiating style.

Suddenlysolo · 12/09/2023 11:10

This is a really helpful observation, thank you.

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