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Husband has just walked out

144 replies

Suddenlysolo · 10/09/2023 19:37

Sorry this is really long. Name changed for some anonymity… I just need to tell someone so it’s not just me.

my husband and I have had some disagreements for a while about the degree of discipline that is appropriate. He’s never been shouty or remotely violent. But he has (I feel) slightly unrealistic expectations of how well behaved small boys are capable of being. We had a long, quite formal family lunch, and they were wriggling about / playing with toys at the table / being a bit strident about what they didn’t aNt to eat. He got annoyed with me for not managing them better and ‘him always having to be the bad cop’

later today he was trying to talk to our DS (4) about his earlier behaviour - and DS was hiding his face in a cushion and not engaging. He started escalating threats - if you don’t speak to me I’ll take away your lego, if you don’t start talking to me there will be no ice cream ever again etc.

I asked to speak to him outside the room - and suggested that if he took his ego out of the equation and left DS to his own devices a bit he’d be easier to talk to later on. (DS is 4. He gets overwhelmed if he’s peppered with questions)

DH lost his mind with me, told me I’m a terrible parent + a horrible person. That I am incapable of discipline or structure in my own life and my total lack of order is going to raise boys who can’t cope with the realities of life.

said ‘how dare you a lot’ and then marched into our youngest son and gave him chocolate and turned on cartoons - both the things he’d said that DS couldn’t have

before telling me that he couldn’t bare watching me destroy our childrens lives.

then he packed a bag and left.

he has a bit of a temper which has flared up in the past. And I’ve been understanding about it because he’s got quite a traumatic history - and has been very contrite. But this feels different.

we have got different approaches to discipline. Generally I am a softer touch, more keen to find a positive way forward - whereas he’s more reward / consequences focussed. I respect his way of doing things - he’s consistent + generally has an excellent relationship with his sons. They love him.

I don’t want that sort of anger around my DSs. I don’t want them hearing anyone speak to me the way he spoke to me this evening. I recognise that there are plenty of ways in which I could show up more supportively - but this isn’t a functional marriage. I feel so sad and anxious. I’m almost relieved he’s gone.

My boys are both peacefully in bed now - so I’m keeping myself even keeled by trying to make a plan. What do I need to do first?

I’m a SAHM - this week I’ll sign up with supply agencies (was a teacher, people always need teachers, I’m pretty confident I can find a temp job very quickly)

I’ll tell the boys he’s travelling for work this week (he travels a lot - they won’t bat an eyelid) and then we can make a plan for how to talk to the boys about it - is this something to ask for help from a child therapist? I’d love any ideas here…

I’m going to have to summon up the courage to tell all our friends + my family. Who will be shocked. I don’t want to have to deal with their pity / worry when I’m trying to hold it all together for the boys.

urgh. I feel horrible, and lonely, and so sad for my boys, me, and the future I thought we’d have. I have loved him so much.

do I find a lawyer?

OP posts:
TeeBee · 11/09/2023 15:33

Oooh, the trash took itself out. Keep the door shut.

MsRosley · 11/09/2023 15:37

DPotter · 10/09/2023 20:03

Did you really tell him to keep his ego out of it ?

Because if you did, that's really attacking him, when you said you wanted to reduce the tension and calm the situation. If I'd been a fly on the wall, I would have thought 'whoa - going in a bit hard there'. You went for the jugular.

Surely as a teacher you know, you don't criticise the person, but the behaviour.

I think before you ring for an appointment with a solicitor you should be apologising for the personal attack on your DH

So OP isn't allowed to ever get angry or frustrated? Just her DH? Honestly, telling someone to keep their ego out of it seems pretty mild to me. She could have told him he was behaving like a nasty, overbearing bully - and she'd have been right.

2catsandhappy · 11/09/2023 15:40

I had an ex who would make grand declerations about how he was making life changes, always with a hint of victim or martyr etc etc each time it was just to get me begging and pleading and me promising to change blah blah. It worked until one day it didnt.

He will be back expecting you to be contrite and apologetic and remorseful.
I only wish you had the courage to say, 'Back to collect your things? Good, I'll find some boxes.'
I hope you find a decent resolution.

RLmadmum · 11/09/2023 15:44

You and your children deserve better than this. Walk away with your head held high, it's his loss.

SavBlancTonight · 11/09/2023 15:48

A man I know also likes to complain about how "society" always treats the mums better. It's weird though because he hasn't paid a PENNY since he moved out, he turns up now and again when he feels like it and when they were still together, he only paid a fraction of total bills, did school run a maximum of once a week and resented it if he was asked to occasionally prepare a meal for the DC.

shearwater · 11/09/2023 15:54

I think you were spot on OP and that's perhaps why it touched a raw nerve. When we bring our egos into it and see our children as an extension or projection of ourselves is when we can really go wrong. Couples can have a difference of opinion on parenting and work through it, however I think this:

DH lost his mind with me, told me I’m a terrible parent + a horrible person. That I am incapable of discipline or structure in my own life and my total lack of order is going to raise boys who can’t cope with the realities of life.

I would find hard to come back from. If DH can't respect and like what you have done with the boys so far and you as a person- he is leaving most of the responsibility to you, after all, it seems, then this is grounds for permanent separation.

It sounds like on the one hand he leaves it to you but on the other when he is there, he is making a kind of power play/grab for control and ends up being Authoritarian Dad. You can't have it both ways, and he certainly can't be such a twat to you either. It could also be the beginning of coercive control and abuse.

paulaparticles · 11/09/2023 15:55

I'm so sorry sounds like he had this planned. Blamimg you for all too 😔
You are all better off without him
Don't send any messages he could use against you

shearwater · 11/09/2023 15:57

Also I don't think being a "softer touch" as you describe it - finding positive ways round and carrot not stick, is a bad thing - it's just being an effective parent, as long as you are firm and consistent.

BasicPumpkinSpice · 11/09/2023 15:57

My dad was exactly like your DH. Well done for you for planning to get out before they are subjected to years of his bullshit.

Please consider reaching out to a domestic violence organisation for support. What he's doing isn't ok and is straight out of the abusers handbook.

Ihadenough22 · 11/09/2023 16:18

You have realised what he is really like. My feeling is that your husband liked the idea of kids and to look good or similar to his work colleagues. The reality of 2 small kids is far different than he expected. Meanwhile he is probably been happy to leave you with as much of the day to day load as possible.He is not willing to deal with his problems and is taking it out on you.

He is now getting frustrated with your 4 year old and it made you realise just what he is like.
Why should you and your kids put up with his ego and moods making you, your kids and home life miserable?

I would read up on divorce. Gather up and make copies of all financial details including his pension and get a friend or family member to hold this for you. Do this now before you let your husband know your plans.
I would not be surprised if he has another woman in the wings and was looking for a way to get out of your marriage. He will be telling everyone that your a bitch ect. If your such a bad mother why has he left his kids with you? He realised that minding a 4 year old and a 20 month old is far harder than he thought.
I would be very honest in letting people know just what he was like and why your marriage ended.

I know it may not seem like it at the moment but long term this could be better for you and your children not living with him, his high expectations and his moods.

ColloidalSliver · 11/09/2023 16:18

he’s sent me a series of messages this morning telling me he is just going to disappear because he can’t bear to watch his children grow up without his values

What with this and your further update, you are well rid if he does just disappear. It he actually cares about his children, he obviously won't do that - but it's a nice fantasy.

Don't be surprised if he threatens suicide and tells you that it will all be your fault that the children are traumatised by it, and if only you had done everything differently (ie his way), you wouldn't be in that situation now.

He is an attention-seeking pillock. Please don't make any more attempts to contact him or help him, as you will just be playing his game if you do so.

Thatladdo · 11/09/2023 16:41

Leave the dust to settle for now and see how it falls.

Prepare by all means, based only on gut feeling id guess he feels he also needs to discipline you so you understand his "way" you in a better place to assess what that might be and how that will end up.

He has unrealistic expectations and issues of his own.

Its difficult not to see him saying you "can’t cope with the realities of life", then him backing his bags and going because he himself cant deal with the realities of life and not comment on it, but you and the kids should be fine.
They will flourish with just their mum and in time they will understand, no need to explain too much to them now.

pintery · 11/09/2023 16:46

I am disrespectful + he would rather die than have to watch his children be destroyed by my parenting. ‘If society would allow it, it would be best for him to take them from me completely - but that won’t happen, so he will never see them again.

I think this is quite worrying - such hyperbolic language, he sounds quite unwell and desperate and may get even more so as you refuse to react in the way he wants. Please be careful OP.

Suddenlysolo · 11/09/2023 16:46

GingerIsBest · 11/09/2023 14:50

Yes, this. Has he been controlling in lots of ways that you let slide for a long time? And now that he's doing it to your DC, this is the moment you've thought, "hell no"?

I think exactly this. While I’m embarrassed that my perfectly competent brain let this happen to me - it is utterly intolerable that my children will get mistreated so wilfully.

holding on to gratitude that I have worked this out now, not in a more damaging ten years time.

I’m with my parents, I’ll talk to them properly once the boys are asleep.

OP posts:
Exasperatednow · 11/09/2023 16:50

This may be an opportunity in disguise. He's shown you he has no flexibility and little respect for you.
Please keep a copy of that text. You may find it useful.

pointythings · 11/09/2023 16:55

I think it's perfectly normal not to protect ourselves from an abusive man, especially when he ramps up the controlling behaviour slowly over time. It's the boiled frog syndrome.

And it's equally normal for the tigress inside us to come out when they start doing it to our kids. Well done for listening to your instincts.

Suddenlysolo · 11/09/2023 16:56

anndddd he’s just sent me a series of messages telling me he’s back home now. That he can’t do this + he’s beaten by life. That he’s resigned to living in my house as a second class citizen and dying of whatever cancer I give him. He is apparently exhausted.

this makes life rather more complicated than the threatened disappearing. I’ve emailed his therapist requesting a conversation about how to break the news to him that this is the end of the road.

thank you all for your supportive + encouraging messages. I feel seen + validated. It’s been escalating sneakily - I can be glad it didn’t go further - and very very sad for what won’t be for my family.

Now I’ve got to start saying this out loud.

OP posts:
Duckingella · 11/09/2023 16:58

www.facebook.com/reel/1486969578871596?fs=e&s=TIeQ9V

I think this video sums up your husband

Thatladdo · 11/09/2023 16:59

Stick to your guns Op
💪

EKGEMS · 11/09/2023 17:03

Be very careful, OP he sounds like a human landmine wanting to be stepped on and honestly? I'd be afraid of him with these grandiose statements he's made makes me think of murder suicide situation. I don't want to be a scaremonger but honestly he's escalated with every post you've made

pointythings · 11/09/2023 17:04

I'm very glad you're with your parents, OP. Please stay there as your STBX is sounding completely unstable and unsafe. Right now you can't trust him not to do something stupid and dangerous.

Spottywombat · 11/09/2023 17:08

Yes, look after your own & the DCs safety.

He sounds unstable.

Indiacalling · 11/09/2023 17:14

i am very glad that you have gone to your parents and are not at home to deal with his histrionics. It is okay to tell them and ask for help to get through this.
Please make sure not to go home and speak to him yourself. He doesn’t sound sane or rational. He may move to being sorry and contrite when he realises you mean to leave him, but you must keep yourself and DC safe. He will ramp up his theatrics when he realises you are serious about separating.
I don’t think there is a way back from this. You need a good lawyer and people to help you in real life. I am very sorry.

willWillSmithsmith · 11/09/2023 17:16

You must must must stick to your guns! You and your children deserve so much better than this messed up individual. These are your first steps to a new and better life without him.

FuckoffeeBeforeCoffee · 11/09/2023 17:18

Jesus - he's quite dramatic isn't he.

I'd struggle to listen to any of his bullshit quite frankly.