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Blended family breaking down.

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Blended83 · 31/08/2023 17:18

I’ve been with my partner over 3 years and we have a 9 month old together. I have a 7 year old with previous partner who I left when daughter was young as he was abusive. He went a number of years no contact ordered by a judge, then contact started end of last year with every other weekend. That appears to be going well and he appears to be behaving in his new relationship.

We took it slow for almost a year, We all moved in together last year as the baby was due. She loves her little sister but often pushes her. My daughter has always been a bit difficult, even as a young child she would answer back, tell me to shut up and ran off everywhere. Her behaviour has just got worse and worse. The school is involved but there was a waiting list and the help with start this year. She won’t follow any instruction. Tells me she hates me, tells me to die, tells me she hopes I get sick. I’ve tried so hard, spend time with her, take her out but nothing is enough.

The relationship with my partner used to be pretty good, she at least spoke with some respect. That has not completely been shattered. She swears at him, tells him he needs to get out of the house, tells him he’s bold and ugly, doesn’t know why mummy is with him, she wants him to die.

Every holiday is awful, she runs off, talks back, rolls eyes. It’s just one argument after another. When told she needs to speak respectfully and do what she’s asked to do she just says I’ll do what I want.

The atmosphere in the house is awful and the unit is breaking down. My partner no longer wants to speak to her or have any to do with her really as she is so awful to him. It’s causing such a divide and I don’t know what to do anymore. Nothing works, reward charts, taking things away, sitting in room, spending more time with her etc. She doesn’t want to do school word and screams and tears up her books, screams when it’s time to learn spellings. It’s so stressful I’ve told the school we aren’t doing it until we get support.

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SapatSea · 31/08/2023 19:58

I would go back to the GP and push for a CAHMS referral. Your DD may have something like Oppositional Defiant Disorder which is linked to neurodivergence and Adhd, Austism etc. Can you afford to see an expert privately ?

In the meantime (although it sounds like you have tried it) spend time one on one with her, praise anything you can that she does and "don't sweat the small stuff." Count to ten to dissapate your anger and ignore some of the bad behaviour and outrageous suggestions.

If you do want to use a discipline system, choose one and stick to it for several months. Contrary to TV programmes where a discipline system works in days, in reality it can take a long time for a system to get embedded and most parents give up after a few weeks and switch to something else. It will often be case of one step forward, two steps back. Remember your DD is only little, it's very hard for her, so be kind. Show her lots of love physically so that she knows she isn;t "bad."Have a regular routine and early bed so that she gets enough rest.

It's an old book but it helped me back in the day
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Explosive-Child-Understanding-Frustrated-Chronically/dp/0061906190

Perhaps there are some resources on your local NHS site like these:
https://www.lanc.org.uk/related-conditions/oppositional-defiant-disorder/
https://www.cntw.nhs.uk/services/oppositional-defiant-disorder-odd-conduct-disorder-and-challenging-behaviour/

You sound like a really loving and supportive mother. It's so hard when a Dc behaves like this but it can get a lot better.

Oppositional Defiant Disorder - Lanc UK

Oppositional Defiant Disorder - The LAC specialises in multi-disciplinary assessment of children with ADD, ADHD, Behavioural Problems, Learning Problems. The LAC is lead by Dr. G.D.Kewley in the UK.

https://www.lanc.org.uk/related-conditions/oppositional-defiant-disorder

BreakTheChain · 31/08/2023 19:58

Are the visits with her dad supervised? She has had an awful lot of change and it could be a whole range of things that are causing her behaviour. She needs to be assessed to rule out any health issues and to determine what is causing her extreme behaviour. Once you know the cause you can get help rectifying it. If your partner is ignoring her he is merely giving her power over your relationship. Children are not born mean this is a cry for help. Your health visitor, gp and school might be able to help you get support. Social services may also be able to offer advice

category12 · 31/08/2023 20:12

If her behaviour changed dramatically when she started seeing her dad, then maybe he's saying or doing things to exacerbate her issues. She's very little to be saying the kinds of things she is. Can you find the money to go private?

Princessconsuelabananahammock9 · 31/08/2023 20:12

She sounds like my son who has adoption/trauma/attachment issues as well.

This little girl has had a lot of upheaval. Your partner and her have only known each other for three years and for half that time you were pregnant, he moved in, and then had a baby. That's a lot in a short period of time.

I know how hard this is to deal with. I would take her to the doctor and not leave until a referral is made.

Your partner needs to be calm. He's an adult. Trust me I get it, but he needs to detach from his feelings and be her anchor just like you do.

Firm boundaries, but not reactive.

Her dad sounds awful. She won't know how to manage that though. She needs support.

She needs to be in therapy now. You all do.

SapatSea · 31/08/2023 20:20

The Explosive child author also has a website with lots of resources and videos of his talks and philosophy
https://livesinthebalance.org/walking-tour
It's great you are looking for answers for your DD. Keep showing up for her, fighting for her and loving her- she just doesn't understand or have the skills to cope with all the straight jacket norms we put DC in to in are one size fits all schools and societal norms. It's exhausting for her trying to negotiate everything that is expected of herall the time everyday so she lashes out. I hope you can get some help for her soon.

WALKING TOUR TEST – LIVES IN THE BALANCE

https://livesinthebalance.org/walking-tour

Blended83 · 31/08/2023 20:29

Thanks for the help. I know she doesn’t understand much as she often says at school I get told something but I instantly forget what I’m told. She doesn’t want to do any learning and gets really aggressive when I try and do homework etc.

She has started shreaking and screaming when she can’t get her own way. Throwing the watering can at the patio door and spades etc, then started punching the mirror.

Nothing I explain works. If I take something and explain why and say why do you think you had that taken away she just says because it’s all your fault. I’ve explained her behaviour to her. She has no friends at school and her own cousins don’t want to play (similar age) because she had to win otherwise she acts up and lies and chests at games so they don’t want to play with her. It’s so sad.

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SeulementUneFois · 31/08/2023 20:31

OP

It's possible that in the future she might be diagnosed with a personality disorder.

I say in the future because they don't like to diagnose children but the signs seem to be there.

Blended83 · 31/08/2023 20:33

We can’t take her on days out without her yelling and running off if you ask her to do something. She will spend all the time when we are out telling me how her life is rubbish and how all the other mums are better. I’ve explained other mums are nice because they are other mums, they won’t tell you off because you aren’t there’s.

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Blended83 · 31/08/2023 20:36

@SeulementUneFois i worry so much about this and what I’ve done to make this happen to her. I’ve tried so hard for her but nothing is enough. She also acts differently around different people and she manipulates people. Her father most definitely has one.

I try and explain and I try and change the way I act but nothing so far is working. She thinks certain ways and things that aren’t true and I can’t seem to change her mind.

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SeulementUneFois · 31/08/2023 20:39

I think more often than not personality disorders are entirely "congenital" as such, i.e. in this case probably linked to genetics rather than anything you've done

DeeplyMovingExperience · 31/08/2023 21:14

It will be helpful if you can get video evidence of her behaviour - get some discreet cams so that you can capture her behaviour without her being aware. This will help show the professionals what you are dealing with.

DeeCeeCherry · 31/08/2023 21:23

She's only 7. She's a very unhappy little girl and I'd want to know why. My 1st thought wouldn't be that she has additional needs either. You're her Mum - go away with her somewhere just the 2 of you (does she ever get 1-1 time with you?) Find out what's going on. Because something is. Look at all avenues.

MooMa83 · 31/08/2023 21:32

I have a challenging DD7 and we're waiting for an adhd/ADD assessment...someone recommended 123 Magic, I've bought the book and the strategies look good. Just about to try them so fingers crossed. May also help in your situation.

CliffsofMohair · 31/08/2023 21:38

Play therapy might be a useful tool here to help her explore some of her worries.
wondering if you’re in Ireland and if so assessment of need.

Princessconsuelabananahammock9 · 31/08/2023 21:59

Borderline personality disorder has been linked to trauma. She has had a really tough 7 years. She's had a lot of losses. I doubt she has a personality disorder yet, but unresolved trauma will lead to that possibly.

I imagine she feels abandoned and unloved at her core. Her relationship with her dad is traumatic, and now het mom has a new baby and the new baby has happy healthy parents. I imagine she has a lot of jealousy.

Most kids who have gone through traumatic things will react similarly.

Can you reframe it a bit and look at her behavior as normal based on her circumstances. They doesn't make it ok for her to be cruel, but contextually her brain is wired differently at the moment. She needs time to heal.

Dery · 31/08/2023 23:43

@Princessconsuelabananahammock9 has expressed it really well.

Dery · 01/09/2023 00:01

Your posts don’t really show any understanding of how things might really feel for her. You seem to be much more caught up in how everyone else feels about her.

It sounds as if she is feeling not just terribly unhappy but also powerless and this is prompting her to say very hurtful things. Her behaviour reflects how distressed and left out she is feeling and also allows her to feel like she has a bit of power, even if it’s negative.

How many opportunities are you giving her to be good? How many opportunities does she have to exercise some positive power?

supercali77 · 01/09/2023 06:55

Someone else mentioned the book 'The Explosive Child', it really helped me with my DD.

It does sound like she has additional issues. Raising a neurodiverse/sensitive/explosive Child is already fraught with big emotions even in an unchanging home situation. Add in dad, new partner, new baby. It's not hard to see why she seems so angry.

Get a referral to CAHMS for assesment either via gp or school. If you can afford private, even better. A diagnosis won't do much on its own. Assume there is something belying all this and start reading all you can.

Rockingchai · 01/09/2023 06:57

The Explosive Child really helped me too - I cried at the first chapter because it summed up the situation between the child, myself and my now ex partner so well. OP I do feel for you having to deal with such challenging behaviour and manage the dynamics with a partner who doesn’t get it - I had this for years.

I should say that after a couple of parenting courses aimed at parents of children with my son’s difficulties (non violent resistance was one - NVR - you could ask about this from Camhs or GP) and really working to change my parenting techniques, and my son moving to a specialist school with very small classes, things are so much better now my son is 11.5.

Clymene · 01/09/2023 07:02

What waiting list for support at school is she on? What interventions is she receiving?

What is your GP doing?m

AuntieEsther · 01/09/2023 07:02

SeulementUneFois · 31/08/2023 20:39

I think more often than not personality disorders are entirely "congenital" as such, i.e. in this case probably linked to genetics rather than anything you've done

She's 7. She doesn't have a 'congenital personality disorder' FFS she has trauma and likely additional needs. Compounded by her mother rushing a relationship and new sibling (3 years from meeting to having a 9 month old is rushing) she needs therapy not labelling.

user1492757084 · 01/09/2023 07:14

Does she have a choice about seeing her Dad?
Would she prefer no to go?
I would seek professional help. Your daughter seems traumatised and not coping. She sounds stressed and not in control of her space.

wherethedevildontgo · 01/09/2023 07:47

Does she seem to enjoy seeing her dad? Has he said anything about her behaviour?

I'm really surprised she hasn't been referred to CAMHS yet unless you just haven't mentioned it? I would go back to the GP again and again until she is referred, I've seen children referred for much less than this. Have you tried just outright ignoring any negative comments and lots of love and attention the rest of the time? Presumably she is saying these shocking things for a reaction?

rumred · 01/09/2023 07:55

Family therapy rather than individual therapy for her. Otherwise you are making the problem all hers. It's a family functioning issue too, you're all involved.
Family therapy can be really helpful, have a Google. Some camhs offer it

CornishGem1975 · 01/09/2023 08:03

Way too much conflicting advice on this thread for OP to get her head around.

Go to the GP and push for a referral. Start there.