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I think this is too much of an age gap for me

152 replies

Sh179 · 10/07/2023 21:14

I've known this man through friends for many years, but he asked me out a while ago. Initially I was unsure because I've always been happy when single and after last breakup I decided to remain so. We've had two dates. He's known my age for a while but never told me his and was a bit reluctant when I asked. So I'm 47 and he's almost 65. I was a bit shocked as I thought maybe 61 at most. To be honest, I don't think I want to be with someone that much older than me. Is this understandable?

OP posts:
Sh179 · 13/07/2023 14:58

5128gap · 12/07/2023 22:20

OP, men are not entitled to date us just because they want to. Remember that.
He could be the nicest man in the world, that doesn't earn him the right to a relationship with you.
I'm sure he does think the age gap is a 'silly' reason not to date him. He would wouldn't he given the benefit is all on his side?
You obviously don't want this and i think you're being very sensible. If that displeases him, too bad. He's really shouldn't be surprised.

Brilliant advice- thank you!

OP posts:
RachelTopliss · 13/07/2023 17:01

HottestEverRecordedTemperature · 13/07/2023 06:11

Your first sentence- I wish i had understood that as a young woman. Men are not entitled to date us just because they want to.

I spent too much time on dates with a man with a moustache and who wore a maroon velvet jacket because I felt too guilty telling him I didn't want to go out with him again.

TheoTheopolis23 · 13/07/2023 20:05

Fuck me, if only beautiful young women had the confidence and entitlement of middle aged & elderly men.

The beautiful young women are picking theor looks apart and getting lip fillers, meanwhile the average looking middle aged and elderly men think they're entitled to & are are happily pursuing women you g enough to be their daughters.

TheoTheopolis23 · 13/07/2023 20:12

I do think gentle, "nice" women - when men old enough to be their Dads etc act like it's perfectly valid to date them; think "well, it must be valid, mustn't it.Otherwise, why would he?" rather than thinking "you delusional, entitled, shameless, inappropriate old chancer".

I remember going into bars as a twenty something and having below average looking 50 something men try to hit on me ..... Like WTAF. 99.9% of women would never act like that towards younger men (and the fact is many more you get men would actually shag an older woman for milf experience).

TheoTheopolis23 · 13/07/2023 20:15

JenniferBooth · 11/07/2023 23:41

men of my age seem to have aged worse than me. Haven't looked after themselves - teeth etc. No style.
Their conversation is limited to what they want to talk about - their gym sessions, pension, grandchildren - showing endless photos on their phone to demonstrate how adept they are at using it. They have no listening skills. It's as though they never learned how to do it.
They also mostly lack ability to do domestic chores apart from barbecuing.
And they wear ridiculous coloured trainers

So they havent looked after themselves yet they go to the gym??!!

She specifically mentioned teeth etc.

I don't think they do dentistry at the gym.

TheoTheopolis23 · 13/07/2023 20:19

PaintedEgg · 10/07/2023 23:49

to me that's more worrisome then the age gap itself to be honest

as someone else said, it sounds like even he has problem with it and if both sides feel uncomfortable with the age gap the there is no sensible way forward in that relation

also its generally a red flag when people are willing to "lie by omission" to get close to someone. age is something you cannot hide forever...what others things he may be hiding? ones that are harder to check than his age

Yep, I dated a man whp knocked s few years off his age when we met, he confessed a Mon or two into dating; however he proved consistently, exhaustively dishonest through the entire relationship. He was a delusional, sneaky, dishonest wanker.

It's not a good sign about somebody when they lie by omission or lie at the start, to get what they want/increase their chances of getting what they want.

TheoTheopolis23 · 13/07/2023 20:20

*a month or two

QueefQueen80s · 13/07/2023 20:21

TheoTheopolis23 · 13/07/2023 20:05

Fuck me, if only beautiful young women had the confidence and entitlement of middle aged & elderly men.

The beautiful young women are picking theor looks apart and getting lip fillers, meanwhile the average looking middle aged and elderly men think they're entitled to & are are happily pursuing women you g enough to be their daughters.

Grim isn't it. They think they are gods gift, even when around handsome young men who the young women are after.
The potato heads never get anywhere though.

doorstopper123 · 13/07/2023 21:48

Is he wealthy?🤣

But, sorry! No. I couldn't do it

billy1966 · 13/07/2023 22:19

TheoTheopolis23 · 13/07/2023 20:12

I do think gentle, "nice" women - when men old enough to be their Dads etc act like it's perfectly valid to date them; think "well, it must be valid, mustn't it.Otherwise, why would he?" rather than thinking "you delusional, entitled, shameless, inappropriate old chancer".

I remember going into bars as a twenty something and having below average looking 50 something men try to hit on me ..... Like WTAF. 99.9% of women would never act like that towards younger men (and the fact is many more you get men would actually shag an older woman for milf experience).

Absolutely yes.

I remember this in work in my 20's and because I was pleasant, I was hit on by professional well paid men in their 40's thinking they were a catch🙄🤢 and most put out when I told them I never dated colleagues (don't mess where you eat being very wise words). They didn't see me for dust near their floor😁, and I was very politely chilly to reinforced the point.

The entitlement 🙄

OnenightinBangkok · 14/07/2023 06:07

Pinkbonbon · 10/07/2023 21:38

Honestly I'd think he was a dirty old man for even asking tbh.

Could you ever imagine hitting on someone your age at his age? Honestly, the arrogance of some blokes.

Sorry this is ridiculous - she's nearly 50 for heaven's sake!!

billy1966 · 14/07/2023 07:22

And he's nearly 70, much much closer in age to her mother.

18 years is a massive age gap.

Tangerinedreams3 · 14/07/2023 08:00

The only time that sort of age gap is ok, is when the younger partner is between say, 30-40, but not after that.
He's an old man who will need care sooner or later.
No no no

PaintedEgg · 14/07/2023 08:11

@OnenightinBangkok and he is nearly her mother's age! that's more of his dating pool - they can go to bingo together

5128gap · 14/07/2023 08:12

OnenightinBangkok · 14/07/2023 06:07

Sorry this is ridiculous - she's nearly 50 for heaven's sake!!

Do you know many 47 year old women and 68 year old men? If you do, you couldn't fail to notice that they are typically chasms apart in terms of their respective health, vitality, energy, capabilities and general standards of asthetic appeal.
I know MN is full of anecdotes of elderly men with the body of a 30 year old, running marathons at 5am and still dancing till dawn, but a glance around any public place will tell you they are unicorns. As are all these mythical males who somehow prove men age better than women. Which by practically every imaginable marker is untrue.
A man almost 70 who believes a woman not yet 50 would be 'silly' not to date him on account of his age is completely deluded. At 47 the OP if she wishes could likely attract a man in his late 30s. Yet it never seems to occur to these old men who prefer younger partners that that may well be true for women too. With a much higher likelihood of success.

Gettingbysomehow · 14/07/2023 08:15

I dont even fancy men my own age (61). They all seem so vague and grey.
I make an effort with my appearance and men my age just seem so old.

TheoTheopolis23 · 14/07/2023 08:41

I dated an abusive man 9 years older than me for a year or so.

Even he, as someone who seemed to always try to date a bit younger and was quite chauvanist, commented that middle aged men hanging in out inside and outside (smoking) at bars in his town....were delusional in the way they leered at and tried to interact with the 20 something (and even teen) women who went to the bars.

He said "they somehow think they're dressed up for and up for it with them, overweight 40 and 50 sonething men, FFS ... Those girls are dressed up and looking for young fit gaelic playing (he lives in the Republic of Ireland) their own age!".

Funny how so many men don't get that (or choose not to get that).

TheoTheopolis23 · 14/07/2023 08:43

*men their own age

TheoTheopolis23 · 14/07/2023 08:46

OnenightinBangkok · 14/07/2023 06:07

Sorry this is ridiculous - she's nearly 50 for heaven's sake!!

He's around twenty years older than her.

That's nearly a generation's difference.

I have sisters 8 & 10 years older than, and have dated a man nearly 10 years older than me ..... And I can tell you, I feel that half generation difference. I can't imagine what it would he like with a generation difference.

He's being inappropriate and a chancer even trying to date her. And he knows it ur he wouldn't have been so unforthcoming and cagey about his age.

TheoTheopolis23 · 14/07/2023 08:48

Actually I can imagine a generation difference because I've just remembered I dated a generation older man for 3 months ..... and it became so noticeable. The relationship was a joke.

PaintedEgg · 14/07/2023 09:27

I find men who target so much younger women to be inherently creepy.

It's one thing when two adults meet and hit it on regardless of age difference. I've mentioned before I'm much younger than my husband, but we've met organically and knew each other in some capacity before we started dating - and neither was actually aware of the other's exact age.

I think there is something off with middle aged men who lurk at the bars and specifically go for women in their early 20s, just as there is clearly something off with a man who is pushing 70 trying to date a middle aged woman and concealing his age.

Even if he'd hide his ID, his age would show in other ways.

Startagain4 · 14/07/2023 20:07

I think 18 years is far too big an age gap at your stages of life. Don't feel bad about telling him this. You said in your first post he was reluctant to tell you, so I'm guessing he might not be so surprised that it's an issue for you.

TheoTheopolis23 · 14/07/2023 22:47

Pinkbonbon · 11/07/2023 12:56

He's not a nice guy.
You're describing a narcissist.

A huge red flag of the overt narcissist is they ramble on about themselves and then when you try to get a word in, you feel they aren't particularly interested, they are just waiting on their turn to speak again. So you find yourself rushing what you have to say. Perhaps even, doubting it's importance or worrying you are boring them.

It's one of the first things you'll notice with dealing with some of that sort.
I mean the fact that he is 65 and actively pursuing a 47 year old is a dead givevaway too imo (not saying all huge age gaps suggest that. Sometimes the younger person pursues for example, and the older person is pleasantly surprised and just goes with it).

That and you knowing he has told his family about you. And his talk of marriage...it's to force intimacy. To make you feel obligated to keep seeing him.

It's not nice behaviour. It's creepy. He's a 65 year old man, he knows this is not how you conduct yourself when just having had a few dates. He's trying to guilt you into keeping seeing him.

Run!

Pink bonbon has it.

TheoTheopolis23 · 14/07/2023 22:48

And him almost lying by omission about his age, that dishonesty and lack of up frontedness, fits with her summary too.

OnenightinBangkok · 16/07/2023 15:35

5128gap · 14/07/2023 08:12

Do you know many 47 year old women and 68 year old men? If you do, you couldn't fail to notice that they are typically chasms apart in terms of their respective health, vitality, energy, capabilities and general standards of asthetic appeal.
I know MN is full of anecdotes of elderly men with the body of a 30 year old, running marathons at 5am and still dancing till dawn, but a glance around any public place will tell you they are unicorns. As are all these mythical males who somehow prove men age better than women. Which by practically every imaginable marker is untrue.
A man almost 70 who believes a woman not yet 50 would be 'silly' not to date him on account of his age is completely deluded. At 47 the OP if she wishes could likely attract a man in his late 30s. Yet it never seems to occur to these old men who prefer younger partners that that may well be true for women too. With a much higher likelihood of success.

Yeah OK but it's hardly fair to say a man interested in a 47 year old woman is a dirty old man.