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Stag Do "Joke" AIBU

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littlerainbow0405 · 09/07/2023 08:54

AIBU

My partner's due to go for his best friends stag next weekend. I've been fine with this and haven't given it much thought until I've seen a message on the group chat from my OH saying 'bring condoms, what happens on stag stays on stay'

The context of sort it all seemed like it was meant to be jokey but I'm also heartbroken because what if he's being genuine?

We've got a 3 month old and it's massively upset me. I feel so disrespected and like it hugely affects trust whether it's 'banter' or not...

Any advice? Should I prepare myself now to leave him? Please no fear mongering

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TheoTheopolis23 · 10/07/2023 08:49

littlebopeepp234 · 09/07/2023 18:20

100% agree with this! Now it’s all about strip clubs, gang bangs, one night stands, who can get the groom drunk enough to shag another woman before his wedding! Honestly I’ve hear it all and that’s coming from a close male friend of mine

Yep.

I had work done by a tradesman last year, an ongoing job that took weeks and he became extremely chatty during it. Tbh he's a guy with no filter.

He went on a stag do and sent a pic of the large group - two stags shared a do and he reported that people thought it was a gay stag do, much to the amusement of the two stags and everyone else. The pic looked like they were just drinking and enjoying themselves.

Afterwards he lets slip that there was at least one "stripper" hired and that one of the group (whom he said is known as being a bit crazy) fucked the "stripper" in front of the group. They all found it a spectacle and amusing and cringeworthy in equal measures.

The guy in question has a long term partner and kids with her. The tradesman working for me said that they fight all the time and she's "never happy with" him and possessive of him; I replied that that was not exactly suprising is this was an example of his behaviour.
They'll all keep what he did to themselves though. An amusing anecdote for nights out.

I don't know who else did what else but it sounds like the shag was not exactly out of keeping with the nights tone.

The "stripper" was an foreign immigrant btw, as most sex workers are.

BathroomOnTheRight · 10/07/2023 09:03

MyTruthIsOut · 10/07/2023 08:32

100% agree with this.

They are probably disgusted that he’d even joke about this (except it’s not a joke) when he has a 3 month old baby at home.

You have my sympathies OP, it’s a really shitty thing for him to do 🙁

Nah, knowing blokes they'd agree with him and think the same way, sadly.

Frankola · 10/07/2023 09:32

This is not funny at all.

The saying is "what happens on the stag stays on the stag".

Some people might say that "jokingly" but they certainly wouldn't preface it with "bring condoms".

Urgh your husband is awful OP sorry.

littlebopeepp234 · 10/07/2023 09:50

TheoTheopolis23 · 10/07/2023 08:49

Yep.

I had work done by a tradesman last year, an ongoing job that took weeks and he became extremely chatty during it. Tbh he's a guy with no filter.

He went on a stag do and sent a pic of the large group - two stags shared a do and he reported that people thought it was a gay stag do, much to the amusement of the two stags and everyone else. The pic looked like they were just drinking and enjoying themselves.

Afterwards he lets slip that there was at least one "stripper" hired and that one of the group (whom he said is known as being a bit crazy) fucked the "stripper" in front of the group. They all found it a spectacle and amusing and cringeworthy in equal measures.

The guy in question has a long term partner and kids with her. The tradesman working for me said that they fight all the time and she's "never happy with" him and possessive of him; I replied that that was not exactly suprising is this was an example of his behaviour.
They'll all keep what he did to themselves though. An amusing anecdote for nights out.

I don't know who else did what else but it sounds like the shag was not exactly out of keeping with the nights tone.

The "stripper" was an foreign immigrant btw, as most sex workers are.

Wow that’s extremely eye opening!

Yeah this is the thing… the mates see the cheating as hilarious and a lot of men that go on these stag nights will use the code “what happens on a stag do stays on a stag do” so it is never mentioned again and the wives/ gfs of these men never find out. The men just come back home to their wives and kids and act all sweet and innocent and say they went out and had a drink etc. The women are non the wiser.

Westcoastwoman · 10/07/2023 11:02

@littlebopeepp234 Yeah this is the thing… the mates see the cheating as hilarious and a lot of men that go on these stag nights will use the code “what happens on a stag do stays on a stag do” so it is never mentioned again and the wives/ gfs of these men never find out. The men just come back home to their wives and kids and act all sweet and innocent and say they went out and had a drink etc. The women are non the wiser.

Unfortunately, this happens more often than people think.

I knew a guy (not a date) who dated a stripper. Sometimes he took her and another stripper to venues for their 'show.' He said he was OK with that.
He told me on one occasion after the 'show' one girl took a collection and then the girls tossed a coin to see who would have sex with the 'stag' on stage.

He wasn't quite so happy with that, but continued to date her.

I told him I didn't want to know a guy who was a 'wheelman' for a pair of prostitutes and he should raise the bar a bit.
The friendship ended so I've no idea if he kept seeing her.

littlebopeepp234 · 10/07/2023 11:08

Westcoastwoman · 10/07/2023 11:02

@littlebopeepp234 Yeah this is the thing… the mates see the cheating as hilarious and a lot of men that go on these stag nights will use the code “what happens on a stag do stays on a stag do” so it is never mentioned again and the wives/ gfs of these men never find out. The men just come back home to their wives and kids and act all sweet and innocent and say they went out and had a drink etc. The women are non the wiser.

Unfortunately, this happens more often than people think.

I knew a guy (not a date) who dated a stripper. Sometimes he took her and another stripper to venues for their 'show.' He said he was OK with that.
He told me on one occasion after the 'show' one girl took a collection and then the girls tossed a coin to see who would have sex with the 'stag' on stage.

He wasn't quite so happy with that, but continued to date her.

I told him I didn't want to know a guy who was a 'wheelman' for a pair of prostitutes and he should raise the bar a bit.
The friendship ended so I've no idea if he kept seeing her.

And there was me thinking men weren’t allowed to have sexual contact with strippers!

All these people who actually believe the op’s OH was joking about taking condoms need to read your post. It highlights exactly what goes on during some stag nights… and of course “what happens on a stag night stays on a stag night”

Westcoastwoman · 10/07/2023 11:19

@littlebopeepp234 And there was me thinking men weren’t allowed to have sexual contact with strippers!

At licensed clubs I understand they can't.

The event I described took place at a 'Private Party' at a function room in a hotel somewhere.

LouLouC86 · 10/07/2023 12:04

I think it's a joke.

Frankola · 10/07/2023 12:10

@Westcoastwoman totally agree this happens way more than people would like to think. My friends husband came back from his stag do (Butlins adult weekend) and burst into tears saying he loved her so much and missed her. She thought it was sweet, but alarm bells rang for me (who does that?!) and it later came out that he had gotten off with some woman.

My BIL went to Benidorm for his stag do and drunkenly let slip one night that one of his friends had slept with some woman. This blokes wife was pregnant!

TheoTheopolis23 · 10/07/2023 12:39

And there was me thinking men weren’t allowed to have sexual contact with strippers!

A lap dance is a warm grinding her vulva and buttocks on a man's genitals through his trousers, often tits in face too; not sure how these not sexual contact.

No-one observed the distance rule .... Any documentaries on the subject showed that again and again.

In eastern Europe, the canary islands etc - strip clubs are brothels ...told that by numerous men who've used them

TheoTheopolis23 · 10/07/2023 12:43

Frankola · 10/07/2023 12:10

@Westcoastwoman totally agree this happens way more than people would like to think. My friends husband came back from his stag do (Butlins adult weekend) and burst into tears saying he loved her so much and missed her. She thought it was sweet, but alarm bells rang for me (who does that?!) and it later came out that he had gotten off with some woman.

My BIL went to Benidorm for his stag do and drunkenly let slip one night that one of his friends had slept with some woman. This blokes wife was pregnant!

A lot of men think the stag is a last night of "freedom" and a night off from fidelity - regardless of the length of their relationship, kids involved etc.

This attitude is then extended to the men attending the stag so they have a convenient night off from fidelity too.

Oddly they don't usually let their partners know about this free pass, and don't offer them an equal free pass on hen dos.

SallyWD · 10/07/2023 12:46

None of us can know whether he was being deadly serious or messing around, trying to be one of the lads.
However, I do believe that old fashioned expression "Many a true word spoken in jest". The fact he's bringing up the subject, whether as a joke or not, shows it's on his mind. Maybe he was testing the waters - joking around but also hoping to see who's up for it.
I'm afraid I do think many women are quite naive and have no idea how common this sort of behaviour is. They imagine their DH could never even imagine doing such a thing whereas in reality he might be more than capable of cheating on a stag do. I have lots of male friends who have told me some eye opening stories about men I wouldn't have thought capable of cheating.

TheoTheopolis23 · 10/07/2023 12:46

LouLouC86 · 10/07/2023 12:04

I think it's a joke.

I don't.

I think he's trying to be a big man. Whether he would actually cheat on the op if the opportunity arose; who knows.

and the complete lack of "banter" from the other men in response confirms that.

SallyWD · 10/07/2023 12:48

The lack of response from the other men might not have been disapproval. It could just be that they're slightly more clever than OP's DH and are not going to put anything incriminating on the WhatsApp group!

AllyCart · 10/07/2023 12:50

It's about as funny as a broken leg but surely he sent it as a (pathetic) joke if it was to a group chat you are part of?

TheoTheopolis23 · 10/07/2023 12:58

SallyWD · 10/07/2023 12:48

The lack of response from the other men might not have been disapproval. It could just be that they're slightly more clever than OP's DH and are not going to put anything incriminating on the WhatsApp group!

Who would know.

In any case, if love to see this man's response if he saw "get some condoms girls, what happens on the hen do stays on the hen do" in ops WhatsApp messages.

Op, you are clearly devastated ... I think that's entirely understandable. I would certainly rethink your commitment to and investment in this relationship. Hrs at best a total and utter asshole who "jokes" about cheating on you and encourages other men to cheat on their partners .... At worst a cheater.

cheshirebloke · 10/07/2023 13:32

It could be an attempted joke or it could have been serious, probably about 50 50 chance of either. Don't see how a bunch of strangers on the internet can judge it. Some context of the prior conversation might be useful - if for example someone had made a joke about taking the stag to a gay bar, then could easily see his comment as a witty follow up. If they'd been discussing going karting or clay pigeon shooting, then obviously not. Or if the prior conversation was full of lewd remarks by the others then his wouldn't seem that odd.

The fact the OP says partner has adhd, says things impulsively, and that they're all tradies, suggest he could just be trying too hard to fit in, misjudged the tone, and it was an attempt at a joke that failed miserably. The virtual tumbleweed response could indicate that rest of the chat group didn't find it funny and chose to ignore the immature behaviour, or that they felt somewhat rumbled by him saying what they were all thinking - i.e saying the unspoken rule. However, I'd have thought a bunch of crude tradies would have found it funny if it were intended as a joke.

I've got some friends who are tradesmen, and I've seen their group chats. The stuff they share and their 'banter' is absolutely vile. However, I know them well enough to know that they are 100% loyal to their partners. These conversations are just 'old fashioned' workplace crudeness, where they're all trying to fit in, shock and outdo each other. Thankfully it's dying out, but not yet extinct.

I've never been on a stag do where there has been any infidelity, nor any party wide suggestion of it. It certainly isn't that all stag parties are married men shagging prostitutes. I think that's a tiny minority, and generally the blokes that will do that on a stag do are probably doing it the rest of the time too. There is a small chance that if some of the men in the group are up for that type of behaviour then they'll manage to cajole others in the group to partake too. But any decent person will have the willpower and self control to behave themselves.

By the same measure, there was a thread on here last week where a woman got carried away on a hen do and gave a stripper a blowjob, does that mean that all women on hen dos are cheating on their partners?

Incidentally I would think that brothels/sex workers would provide condoms, so if that's where he was suggesting then it sounds like he has no experience of them, or that it genuinely was intended as a joke.

The OP's partner's response to being challenged would be telling too. A decent bloke would be mortified at his partner finding message, many would probably pull out of the stag do to try and salvage their relationship. A bloke who can't see the issue in what he's said would be more concerning.

justtype · 10/07/2023 13:53

Hell no.

Dh has ADHD, and can be a flirt but there is no way in hell, I would tolerate that. At all.

There would be more than words...

ErickBroch · 10/07/2023 14:22

It wasn't a joke was it, though? A joke would be part of an ongoing chat of jokes, you said nobody even responded or reacted to it, and I am guessing the previous messages were nothing like it. It's honestly really embarrassing to think your partner posted that and none of the other blokes even went along with it, so he is the one instigating that kind of behaviour.

Kedece2410 · 10/07/2023 14:45

AllyCart · 10/07/2023 12:50

It's about as funny as a broken leg but surely he sent it as a (pathetic) joke if it was to a group chat you are part of?

Shes not part of it. She just saw it

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