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Summer is going to be great for OLDaters and friends

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PinkIdentity · 08/05/2023 13:02

The Rules:

1.The first rule about the dating thread is don't talk about it with people you're dating.

  1. Develop a thick skin.
  2. Do not invest emotionally too soon.
  3. It's all BS until it actually happens.
  4. Trust your gut instinct.
  5. People vanishing, lying & being generally weird is not your fault.
  6. Know your worth.
  7. If it's not fun, stop.
  8. Loo update is mandatory.
10. No dating the thread. 11. Treat others as you'd like to be treated 12. Any relationship you have that could get ruined by having a conversation about your feelings, standards and/or expectations wasn't really stable enough to begin with 13. The things you choose to ignore/ tolerate now are the reasons you will break up in the future 14. OLD can get very time consuming. Keep doing other activities you enjoy.

Optional: Please give your irons (potential dates you are talking to) nicknames like Mr Scottish. Initials are allowed (Mr S) when you are an item

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PinkIdentity · 13/05/2023 12:51

Thisisworsethananticpated · 13/05/2023 10:29

PinkIdentity

not necessarily . I’ve had a lot of time to think and learn this year .

but he makes me laugh as he totally 💯 never goes away . Good Sex as I’ve learnt isn’t that hard to obtain , I’ve had a mini fling during this time out. Sex was great , but the fellow was a bit odd !

he thinks he wants sex . But actually he wants me and what I bring as a person .

But I’ve also realised that right now I don’t want a relationship . I’ve been having some major challenges on the home front and this week I was like ‘I’m so glad I don’t have a boyfriend (FWB) as they would never understand this situation ‘ . And by the time I’m maybe able and open maybe I’ll be too old 😭.

So I’m ok to chat to him , but there is no way in hell I’d return to what we had

but also he’s so much sweeter than the other ones , and that’s where I need to be careful

Hmmmmm…. I detect you will come back to Balkan. The way you talk about him…sounds familiar to me

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Thisisworsethananticpated · 13/05/2023 16:11

PinkIdentity

there’s no way I’d go back to how it was
really truly
I’ll maybe meet him to see what he’s saying that’s all

but yeah it’s a risk hence why I’m not rushing into anything

my friends would fuxking KILL me

PinkIdentity · 13/05/2023 16:15

Thisisworsethananticpated · 13/05/2023 16:11

PinkIdentity

there’s no way I’d go back to how it was
really truly
I’ll maybe meet him to see what he’s saying that’s all

but yeah it’s a risk hence why I’m not rushing into anything

my friends would fuxking KILL me

You know I would not gang up on you. I’ve been super weak myself and ended up with Mr Ex in more than one occasion. I would not criticise you in the least. I understand… but if you meet him face to face… attraction and chemistry will rule

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Garysmum · 13/05/2023 17:48

@Thisisworsethananticpated No previous signs of nastiness/ruthlessness. I didn't think classic love-bomb either as it was all seeing how things go without expectations but false security was created by affirmations of how much he was enjoying it and PDAs etc.
Oddly I wasn't upset afterwards more cheesed off about being used. I strongly suspect I didn't live up to someone else in his mind.

No idea anymore how to identify the liars and the wrong-ones, they are pretty good at disguising themselves these days. I don't really want to go back into it all telling myself that every man I chat with is lying/untrustworthy unless they prove otherwise after several months.

Thisisworsethananticpated · 13/05/2023 18:22

PinkIdentity

it’s no it the same though , Mr Ex has his issues yes
but he’s working on them and he isn’t supremely selfish x

Thisisworsethananticpated · 13/05/2023 18:24

Gary
strongly suspect I didn't live up to someone else in his mind

aha , think you might have nailed it
the baggage so many people have and the voids they fill

he didn’t need to be nasty though

FinallyHere · 13/05/2023 18:40

Makes absolute sense to me

https://www.thefemaledatingstrategy.com

user727494727 · 13/05/2023 18:49

Hi, can I join in? So I was on and off OLD for a few months but then I gave it a proper shot. I chatted with a few guys but it wasn't right, then I started chatting to one, we clicked and have been dating for a short while. He seems normal so far, good attraction, similar outlooks on life and circumstances. I'm a little wary I haven't dated more, so any reassurance from people who have positive stories like this would be great! I'm taking it slow emotionally but I'm hopeful.

LuckyLinda3 · 13/05/2023 19:15

@Thisisworsethananticpated do you feel in control of the Mr B situation or as pink says if you were to meet up would attraction and chemistry take over?
@PinkIdentity are you still in regular contact with Mr Ex/still in a relationship with him?

Thisisworsethananticpated · 13/05/2023 20:50

LuckyLinda3

it feels a bit different this time for me , im not ‘relieved’ or ‘hopeful’ or ‘happy’

a lot has happened in my life its been 5 months and I’ve dated others and had a lot of time to think and process

im curious to see if he will actually talk openly
but I’m also pretty content single tbh

how are you getting on ?

PinkIdentity · 13/05/2023 20:53

LuckyLinda3 · 13/05/2023 19:15

@Thisisworsethananticpated do you feel in control of the Mr B situation or as pink says if you were to meet up would attraction and chemistry take over?
@PinkIdentity are you still in regular contact with Mr Ex/still in a relationship with him?

Hi LuckyLy. thanks for asking. MR Ex is very unwell with depression and has had a very tough time with personal and practical stuff. I decided to take a month off seeing each other until he sorts himself minimally at least. Its been really difficult but I’m happy I took a break as it was starting to affect my MH too. We are each doing cave time 😂😂😂. I really can’t face any more drama and he knows it. We will be reassessing at end of May. There’s no hurry. I don’t want anyone else right now neither does he. But I’m exhausted…and he knows it
What is happening in your life?

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Thisisworsethananticpated · 13/05/2023 21:18

PinkIdentity

hope you feel less exhausted soon , we are halfway through May x

LuckyLinda3 · 13/05/2023 21:28

@Thisisworsethananticpated I think the key thing is that you are content single and I'm glad to hear that.
@PinkIdentity as usual I am in awe of your self control, you always seem so at ease regardless of what's going on. The break sounds like a good idea.

We have been going well, we were away at a concert last weekend and I was quite ill and he was so kind and considerate to me. However during a text exchange during the week I seem to have annoyed him by pointing out that his tone was quite sharp and I have had very little communication since. He has form for going into his cave a bit but this behaviour is also making me question the respect he has for me, surely its wrong to just go quiet for a few days over 2yrs into a relationship?

Shwingbada · 14/05/2023 07:42

Hello OLDers!

Hope everybody’s having a good weekend. It’s great to catch up on how everything is going for people.

@Garysmum , sorry to hear of your experience. I think I might be going through something similar (although not concluded yet).

After 8 very intense months in which we were leading a “shared life but in two homes” (his words) and I felt cherished and cared for like never before, Mr Kind has suddenly withdrawn emotionally and is picking at things that I say or write in messages, ignoring my broader meaning but criticising my choice of words etc. I have ADHD and he’s previously been hugely supportive but in the last few days has been very critical of my disorganisation, lecturing me on how he plans ahead etc. When I have been upset (for example, when he stayed over and just lay rigid in bed next to me without any of the usual touching or affection) he hasn’t expressed any concern for my feelings. When we talked the following morning he said he was in a state of overwhelm (he calls it “churn”) over lots of things in his life and was unable to articulate them and had to park them until he had the space to think about them. This was on Thursday. Since then we’ve exchanged some messages but just going through the motions really. He popped over last night to meet one of my friends (something long overdue) which I was initially reassured by, but he wasn’t warm towards me, choosing not to sit next to me, and was quite oppositional to the things I said, while being super friendly to my friend.

Previously we have had two or three instances of misunderstandings where he has taken a few days to get back to normal, but with a clear cause. This has come out of nowhere and really thrown me.

When we first met (on tinder, in September) his original intention with OLD was to just have casual dates after a terrible divorce and then a relationship with a woman who treated him badly but we really hit it off and our lives seemed to mesh really well; within a very short time we were spending half the week together and aligning diaries, getting to know each other’s parents, having Sunday evening roasts with both our sets of kids… It all felt very quick which initially concerned me but he has been so steady and reassuring up till now and we have had a wonderful few months.

I am now wondering if he was lovebombing me (unconsciously, if that is possible). He was quite over the top in his enthusiasm for me which was unsettling but then started to feel really nice, to be so appreciated and loved for who I am. This came just a few months after I’d extracted myself from a 4 year relationship with someone who was emotionally and sometimes physically abusive and so it was a wonderful contrast. I’m not an especially put together person but he always raved about what I wore or the things I said or my hair or the fact I didn’t wear makeup etc etc.

Sorry for the very long post but I am feeling so confused and grief stricken at the prospect of this being over. He may just need time to get over his feeling of reaching his limit (lots of pressure on him from various sources) but it’s the way he seems to have turned on me that is so unexpected. I feel very shaken by his lack of kindness or empathy, but also aware that he is obviously not doing well in himself for some reason and that maybe I ought to be responding to that fact with more care/concern rather than be upset at its impact on me. I am normally quite insecure but over the course of the relationship have managed to quell those worries due to his reassurance (and also because he was quite intolerant of my doubts, feeling that they undermined the relationship and all the evidence through his actions and words of how much he cared for me) but all the insecurity has flooded back. He can also be quite contemptuous of people (he is very critical of his father and has a difficult relationship with him) and I feel that for the first time I am at the receiving end of that.

Not sure what my intention is in sharing all this but it’s very helpful to externalise it. Thanks for being such a helpful and emotionally intelligent bunch of people - I learn so much from reading your posts. ❤️

Shwingbada · 14/05/2023 08:00

I should clarify that he was clear that the “churn” partly related to the relationship and a change of his feelings. But he couldn’t/wouldn’t explain how or why. He was actually quite nasty. I was trying to get a handle on what was happening/what I was dealing with and so I asked him if he had met someone else (not expecting that he had, and knowing it was a rather stupid thing to raise but also just wanting it clearly ruled out) and he said, “well yes, I’ve met lots of people”. He then said (with irritation) that he didn’t need to have met someone else to have a problem with me. Which of course is true, and it was perhaps a stupid thing to have asked, but the whole thing had come from nowhere and this was all a rushed and tearful reaction as I was getting dressed for work after a night of him being inexplicably hostile.

PinkIdentity · 14/05/2023 08:04

LuckyLinda3 · 13/05/2023 21:28

@Thisisworsethananticpated I think the key thing is that you are content single and I'm glad to hear that.
@PinkIdentity as usual I am in awe of your self control, you always seem so at ease regardless of what's going on. The break sounds like a good idea.

We have been going well, we were away at a concert last weekend and I was quite ill and he was so kind and considerate to me. However during a text exchange during the week I seem to have annoyed him by pointing out that his tone was quite sharp and I have had very little communication since. He has form for going into his cave a bit but this behaviour is also making me question the respect he has for me, surely its wrong to just go quiet for a few days over 2yrs into a relationship?

LuckyLy…it’s a 2 years relationship and he is overall lovely to you. Snapping at a text exchange or going 2 or 3 days to the cave is OK. No one is perfect and we have our moments. Learning to forgive and forget are part of being in love I think. The key thing is that he’s absolutely great when you do need help and care. Think about it. I’d rather be with someone who is there also for the bad stuff than someone totally sorted who disappears when you do need him. Priorities!!

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qqq82 · 14/05/2023 08:12

@Shwingbada oh no I can feel your pain and it brings back memories for me too.
This is the sort of shit that puts me off ever bothering with a relationship again tbh .
I would be thinking the exact same thing about him having met someone else too. It's very odd for his demeanour to suddenly turn on a six pence otherwise .
Even if he suddenly starts acting normal again you'll always be thinking 'wtf!?' And wondering if he'll go weird on you again .
Keep checking in and I hope you are ok x

PinkIdentity · 14/05/2023 08:16

Shwingbada · 14/05/2023 07:42

Hello OLDers!

Hope everybody’s having a good weekend. It’s great to catch up on how everything is going for people.

@Garysmum , sorry to hear of your experience. I think I might be going through something similar (although not concluded yet).

After 8 very intense months in which we were leading a “shared life but in two homes” (his words) and I felt cherished and cared for like never before, Mr Kind has suddenly withdrawn emotionally and is picking at things that I say or write in messages, ignoring my broader meaning but criticising my choice of words etc. I have ADHD and he’s previously been hugely supportive but in the last few days has been very critical of my disorganisation, lecturing me on how he plans ahead etc. When I have been upset (for example, when he stayed over and just lay rigid in bed next to me without any of the usual touching or affection) he hasn’t expressed any concern for my feelings. When we talked the following morning he said he was in a state of overwhelm (he calls it “churn”) over lots of things in his life and was unable to articulate them and had to park them until he had the space to think about them. This was on Thursday. Since then we’ve exchanged some messages but just going through the motions really. He popped over last night to meet one of my friends (something long overdue) which I was initially reassured by, but he wasn’t warm towards me, choosing not to sit next to me, and was quite oppositional to the things I said, while being super friendly to my friend.

Previously we have had two or three instances of misunderstandings where he has taken a few days to get back to normal, but with a clear cause. This has come out of nowhere and really thrown me.

When we first met (on tinder, in September) his original intention with OLD was to just have casual dates after a terrible divorce and then a relationship with a woman who treated him badly but we really hit it off and our lives seemed to mesh really well; within a very short time we were spending half the week together and aligning diaries, getting to know each other’s parents, having Sunday evening roasts with both our sets of kids… It all felt very quick which initially concerned me but he has been so steady and reassuring up till now and we have had a wonderful few months.

I am now wondering if he was lovebombing me (unconsciously, if that is possible). He was quite over the top in his enthusiasm for me which was unsettling but then started to feel really nice, to be so appreciated and loved for who I am. This came just a few months after I’d extracted myself from a 4 year relationship with someone who was emotionally and sometimes physically abusive and so it was a wonderful contrast. I’m not an especially put together person but he always raved about what I wore or the things I said or my hair or the fact I didn’t wear makeup etc etc.

Sorry for the very long post but I am feeling so confused and grief stricken at the prospect of this being over. He may just need time to get over his feeling of reaching his limit (lots of pressure on him from various sources) but it’s the way he seems to have turned on me that is so unexpected. I feel very shaken by his lack of kindness or empathy, but also aware that he is obviously not doing well in himself for some reason and that maybe I ought to be responding to that fact with more care/concern rather than be upset at its impact on me. I am normally quite insecure but over the course of the relationship have managed to quell those worries due to his reassurance (and also because he was quite intolerant of my doubts, feeling that they undermined the relationship and all the evidence through his actions and words of how much he cared for me) but all the insecurity has flooded back. He can also be quite contemptuous of people (he is very critical of his father and has a difficult relationship with him) and I feel that for the first time I am at the receiving end of that.

Not sure what my intention is in sharing all this but it’s very helpful to externalise it. Thanks for being such a helpful and emotionally intelligent bunch of people - I learn so much from reading your posts. ❤️

Hello ShwingB,
I read everything and you did express yourself beautifully. Personally I think him “switching off” has nothing to do with you or his love for you. It might be he’s under a lot of pressure and feels “disconnected” not just with you but with everything. This happens to people and sometimes there’s an underlying issue there. I don’t think he’s fallen out of love with you either.
It would be helpful to talk to him and explain this feeling you have of him being detached and see if there’s a problem that is worrying him and he has not shared. I don’t think he has love imbed you either. It feels more like a good LAT relationship ( which is also what I want in life right now).
He’s complimentary of your style and the way you present yourself to the world and that has not changed either. I think you need to talk and listen

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qqq82 · 14/05/2023 08:17

Well everyone was right and I can't do casual with MrNoEffort
I can't stop thinking about him
It was ok the first time but not after last week where we went out and did things like a couple (all instigated by him)

I'm not sure if I should just not contact him and hope he doesn't contact me again

Or block him

Or tell the truth and say I have feelings for him so I can't see him again

LostidentityM · 14/05/2023 08:17

@Thisisworsethananticpated hi, but wasn't he the one who had sex with you then logged onto the dating app immediately after? I think sometimes you romanticise him/the situation a bit but you shouldn't ignore that bit. He clearly thought so little of you that he did that. I doubt you'd have done the same.

PinkIdentity · 14/05/2023 08:19

SchwingB….love imbed …I meant LOVE BOMBED! best wishes lovely 😊

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Thisisworsethananticpated · 14/05/2023 08:59

LostidentityM

he’s the one i was on off with all last year
we split January and then he reached out (again)

my friend saw a profile on bumble a few days after we hooked up
I went ape shit (even though I was also dating ) and instead of explaining he just disappeared

Again

then I went into something with someone even more emotionally closed off 😂

i don’t want to get into a thing with him again

I do however want to get some answers and understanding - and am foolishly hoping that I’ll get some as he’s keen as mustard to meet up

fwiw he’s not really a player, but he’s emotionally avoidant to a degree i have never seen

I kid myself my irons keep reaching out as they see a joy enhancing spark of life in me and in my soul

Bit I think they are just horny 🤷‍♀️

Thisisworsethananticpated · 14/05/2023 09:06

qqq82

I’m a vote for being 100% honest
even if he doesn’t listen you have been true to yourself

and if he does reach out again after you have said this (he probably will ) you can then ignore and block with a clean conscience

He will be in touch again I’m sure as on some level he likes what you bring

I’m the same , I can only do casual given my home situation
but then my oxytocin and brain 🧠 kick in and mess it all up

Shwingbada · 14/05/2023 09:08

Thanks very much @qqq82 and @PinkIdentity for your lovely supportive messages.

It’s such a struggle to keep a balance and not become obsessive (and so much easier when things are going well than when things aren’t 🙄). I really feel for all of us who are consumed with uncertainty and longing and ambivalence and desire, all at once! It really does help to know we’re not alone and that others understand.

Thisisworsethananticpated · 14/05/2023 09:23

LuckyLindaA3

i also agree that him being kind when you were sick is more important than him going quiet after a spat

im a 🔥 person, I rant and rave and scream then it’s all over
but most of the (men) in my life seem to be 🧊
so they go quiet and brood
not just irons , all

it does sound like you are both pretty solid
but you are different and maybe you need to accept the differences ?

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