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Summer is going to be great for OLDaters and friends

984 replies

PinkIdentity · 08/05/2023 13:02

The Rules:

1.The first rule about the dating thread is don't talk about it with people you're dating.

  1. Develop a thick skin.
  2. Do not invest emotionally too soon.
  3. It's all BS until it actually happens.
  4. Trust your gut instinct.
  5. People vanishing, lying & being generally weird is not your fault.
  6. Know your worth.
  7. If it's not fun, stop.
  8. Loo update is mandatory.
10. No dating the thread. 11. Treat others as you'd like to be treated 12. Any relationship you have that could get ruined by having a conversation about your feelings, standards and/or expectations wasn't really stable enough to begin with 13. The things you choose to ignore/ tolerate now are the reasons you will break up in the future 14. OLD can get very time consuming. Keep doing other activities you enjoy.

Optional: Please give your irons (potential dates you are talking to) nicknames like Mr Scottish. Initials are allowed (Mr S) when you are an item

OP posts:
Esmejane81 · 27/05/2023 10:51

Mapleunicorn · 26/05/2023 16:23

So I met my perfect on paper date this week. So disappointing. I think the term is kittenfished? Photos were from 5+ years ago. And he was shorter too. Sigh. I get why people are tempted to do that but what do they honestly expect is going to happen? It just feels so disingenuous

Does the height issue really bother you if it’s someone you could get along with and they seemed a good fit for you before you realised they were shorter?

I’m tall for a woman and a little paranoid about it sometimes, told someone I was 5ft 9 but turns out I’m probably 5ft 10ish…. it was a non issue. I would like to think there’s more to a connection than that?

ChangedForEmbarrassingQuestions · 27/05/2023 12:28

Esmejane81 · 27/05/2023 10:51

Does the height issue really bother you if it’s someone you could get along with and they seemed a good fit for you before you realised they were shorter?

I’m tall for a woman and a little paranoid about it sometimes, told someone I was 5ft 9 but turns out I’m probably 5ft 10ish…. it was a non issue. I would like to think there’s more to a connection than that?

I think it’s about the lies. I arranged to meet someone who said he was 6’ 2”, turned out he was more like 5’ 8”. The moment I saw him I was disappointed and immediately wondered what else he was lying about. And for the record, I MUCH prefer 5’ 8”. That (or within an inch or two) is my perfect height. But I don’t like lies.

Mapleunicorn · 27/05/2023 12:33

@Esmejane81 oh god 1 inch height difference wouldn’t bother me in the slightest. This was a good 4 inches. Plus he looked NOTHING like his photos which bothered me more than the height thing.

Harrypewter · 27/05/2023 15:41

ChangedForEmbarrassingQuestions · 27/05/2023 12:28

I think it’s about the lies. I arranged to meet someone who said he was 6’ 2”, turned out he was more like 5’ 8”. The moment I saw him I was disappointed and immediately wondered what else he was lying about. And for the record, I MUCH prefer 5’ 8”. That (or within an inch or two) is my perfect height. But I don’t like lies.

That's a difference or discrepancy even lift shoes couldn't hide.😂

CheesecakeAddict · 27/05/2023 20:54

I do wonder though if people know their height or just go on rough estimations based on comparisons against friends/relatives. I remember one date claiming I lied about my height (saying I was 5'5 when I was probably 5'2). I have to get regularly weighed and measured at the GP for a medication I take so I know 100% what my height it...it was him that had assumed wrong.

Cherriesandstrawberries · 28/05/2023 09:24

Hi all, hope it’s ok to join this thread. I was dating someone from OLD for 6 weeks and I was happy as I finally got past the one or two dates and we were exclusive. He was a good communicator and set concrete plans. We had two day organised this Monday to spend together as we haven’t been able to have many overnights together.

I had a call on Saturday morning and he admitted he had cheated the night before and randomly had a one night stand.

feeling utterly shit as he kept telling me how he had been hurt in the past and hates lies. He wasn’t the right person as kept wondering when the emotional connection will begin with him and it also sounded like his libido was way above mine but still feels awful to be cheated on so soon. I e obviously walked away.

Anyone else had this where they’ve been cheated on so soon? Did you get back out there or give it some time?

Harrypewter · 28/05/2023 09:52

CheesecakeAddict · 27/05/2023 20:54

I do wonder though if people know their height or just go on rough estimations based on comparisons against friends/relatives. I remember one date claiming I lied about my height (saying I was 5'5 when I was probably 5'2). I have to get regularly weighed and measured at the GP for a medication I take so I know 100% what my height it...it was him that had assumed wrong.

I know my height because my daughters are constantly measuring themselves.
We all do it together.
For men, there's very little to be done about height, either accept it or tell lies.
In real life, women rarely mention it anyway. I do remember being on a day out in Newcastle, a group of women was asking my friend to approach them. So he did, and they revealed a placard that said kiss the short guy.😂It was a Hen party, and everybody laughed. It was funny though.
I know that some men do make disparaging remarks about other men, height being one of them. It's competitive.

Thisisworsethananticpated · 28/05/2023 10:10

Cherriesandstrawberries

I wonder why he felt the need to tell you ? It’s very early days
lets assume he’s clicking more with this shag and wanted to definitively have you leave him

very hurtful indeed im sorry 😞

Just watch as there is a medium chance he will crawl back

and give it time , today feels like utter shite I’m sure

i was rather bluntly dumped a week ago

i was fucking upset as he was nasty about it

bit a week later I’m fine and hope you will be too xx

Cherriesandstrawberries · 28/05/2023 10:43

@Thisisworsethananticpated he was the one after date 3 or 4 saying that he wanted to be exclusive and kept saying how much he hates lying and cheating, so it was very confusing for him to do that to me

Why and how did you get dumped?

It really does suck but I am glad he’s shown his true colours this early

Shwingbada · 28/05/2023 14:50

Sorry to hear that’s happened to you, @Cherriesandstrawberries . What a minefield this all is.

I’m hoping for some opinions. My OLDing quickly turned into an 8 month relationship which has largely been very happy. There have been some bumps along the way and you’ve all been hugely supportive.

I am a naturally insecure person while he is very straightforward and he believes that if he’s made his feelings clear and is being attentive in his actions then he shouldn’t be made to “jump through hoops” and be more expressive or enthusiastic, eg about me coming over if it’s one of our routine nights together. This is generally fine but sometimes things happen that trigger my insecurity and every few weeks this leads to a major rupture, with him feeling undermined by my doubt and withdrawing due to being hurt for several days. I have an unduly strong reaction to all this, triggering all kinds of raw feelings of abandonment that must date back to childhood (I have recently been reading about transference which seems to be what’s going on). So very much about me, not him. However, for the relationship to be right for me, I feel that I need him to be understanding of this and to try to avoid the triggers or be more reassuring. He seems somewhat reluctant to view it as anything other than something I need to deal with. Largely, we get over the blip because after a few days we talk and then feel close again, albeit with what he referred to today as “scar tissue“.

Anyway, the other day this insecurity had kicked in. He’d been out in one of “our” evenings and so it was late. He picked up on my neediness in messages, and eventually said that he wanted me to come round “as long as his lovely day wasn’t going to be compromised “. I felt very put out by this as I hate being prejudged but went anyway as I was really longing for comfort and affection. He was then somewhat indifferent when I was there and we watched a couple of episodes of Black Ops and went to bed, where he promptly turned the light off and went to sleep without any chat. I felt very disappointed and lonely. Now, I realise my subsequent behaviour was very out of order and immature etc, but how bad do you think it was? I said to him that I was going home as I felt restless and wished him goodnight (quite pleasantly) but then as I was leaving I slammed the front door. In my view, not a full slam, but nonetheless. Growing up there was lots of door slamming and expressive externalising of emotion, and so it didn’t feel like a big deal to me, although I did really regret leaving. I didn’t even remember the next day that I had slammed the door. But he was furious about it, saying it was disrespectful of him and his house, and we have subsequently had three days of very frosty contact during which I have been desperately sad and regretful. It feels like my natural personality (somewhat volatile, with ADHD) is somehow intolerable to him - while I try to control my behaviour, if I lash out with a nasty comment or slam the door or something then I am used to apologising and then moving on, generally with the understanding that it wasn’t meant. He is very sensitive and can’t handle this. It’s really not a regular occurrence but he seems to think it is quite shocking and extreme, which has shaken me as it doesn’t seem like that to me. Are we just incompatible? Is he right that this is unthinkably bad and disrespectful? We have discussed it today at some length but there doesn’t seem to be a solution. I fear that a small misstep on my part could lead to him “abandoning” me or that he can’t accept me for who I am; he seems to fear that I am concealing some kind of rage-filled, vengeful side (which really isn’t the case).

I would really appreciate any thoughts that you might have on this dynamic. Xx

Stepcount · 28/05/2023 15:15

@Shwingbada how vulnerable do you feel you want to be with this person? I know some on the thread prefer to keep some of their history to themselves but others feel that it’s better to put some of their feelings into context-ie I think I behave this way because in previous situations I have experienced this kind of treatment etc. Ideally someone who cares about you and wants to build a relationship will listen and understand- although they may also encourage you to let go off some of this learned behaviour in order to build trust and move forward. It doesn’t sound like your iron is wholly comfortable with or tolerant of what he considers to be behaviour/reactions from the past and is expecting you to just know that he’s not the same as the others. I think it’s okay to be a bit fed up that the door was slammed but cycles of times where you aren’t communicating etc would be a big challenge for me. And is adding to the push/pull dynamic in the relationship. I do also think we have a responsibility to work on ourselves and that in order to build a new, happier connection with someone you have to let go of some of the past.
If you stand back and try to be as objective as you can do you think that there is sufficient kindness and trust being shown from both of you to make this work?

Shwingbada · 28/05/2023 15:32

Thanks @Stepcount , lots of useful questions there.

I do think that some of his reaction to this is down to his own history (“I divorced the last person that slammed that door”). Our conversations tend to be a bit circular with lots of repetition of previous things or stuff that’s only obliquely relevant. He seems to think that I have a need for turbulence and that I somehow seek it out. I don’t know. He is very able to compartmentalise and “park” stuff that he doesn’t have time or emotional bandwidth to deal with, while I am totally consumed with distress at the distance between us. I think I’m probably at the more obsessive/unhealthy codependent end of the scale but he is probably quite avoidant but also ultra-sensitive so there’s a mismatch there. He was horrified when I said three weeks in that I thought relationship counselling would help us communicate and be interesting (having watched the BBC series) which I think he holds as an indication of me creating needless complications. I just thought at the time that it would be great to be in a relationship that was self-aware. He said today that he feels that he can’t be spontaneous anymore about some of the things that he used to do because he feels they are being demanded of him or expected (eg being more expressive). So things are definitely a bit tricky. But there’s still a lot of love and interest there between us.

Thisisworsethananticpated · 28/05/2023 18:04

Shwingbada

sounds to me like you need to talk when it’s calmer
maybe a way to frame it is ‘what does kindness look like ‘ for each other ?
navigating this issue (insecurity ) is a tricky one

without generalising women tend to err to the insecure and men to avoidance when triggered

also bear in mind that door slamming can be abusive . I slam a door time to time myself but it really can upset people
both genders

Shwingbada · 28/05/2023 19:14

Thanks @Thisisworsethananticpated
I appreciate your thoughts. And yes, I understand that about door slamming. He wanted my assurance thatTI’d never do it again but I felt unable to give it, as it wasn’t a rational or considered decision. He’s gone as far as to say that in that case he will have to see me at mine and not at his, which seems like a very strong reaction. But hopefully I’ll learn from it. Having ADHD definitely doesn’t help with the impulse control.

Hope you’re having a peaceful bank holiday and enjoying your time to regroup.

booboo46 · 28/05/2023 20:13

@Shwingbada Your experience in this relationship so far is feeling insecure. There is absolutely NOTHING amiss in requiring feedback and reassurance. A warm generous man would do this. You are berating yourself non stop. I have had a few try outs with ken just like the type you describe..It’s all fine .. if you do things in a compartmentalised way but seek anything further, any discussion about the future they start bidding you about and being what is essentially emotionally gaslighting you. It is never just one person in a relationship who creates all the negatives - I’d tell him thanks for his exceeding thoughtful feedback on your ‘behaviour’ but no thanks and good bye. Please for the love of god leave this man to find another girl who he can more easily mould into the behaviours he requires (and for the record I have also left in the night - and thank fuck for that..) Be strong and listen to your gut. It’s telling you to move away from him.. now. And the door slamming - oh sod all that - you just needed him to get through to him and he just isn’t interested. It will ache like crazy to walk away as there is probably a trauma bond.

booboo46 · 28/05/2023 20:15

…oh and now he tells you he can only see you at your place? You just be joking! What a so and so. Just drop him now before you get any further embroiled and hurt. He’s a controlling sod.

booboo46 · 28/05/2023 20:16

Door slamming is not abusive. It’s just loud..

LostidentityM · 28/05/2023 20:59

@Shwingbada i disagree with the above and personally I think you aren't well suited. A few weeks in and already considering counselling? To me, door slamming would be considered abusive as I've had that in my past and id run a mile if anyone did that. It sounds like you aren't on the same page. With the right person, you're more likely to feel more secure and wouldn't be slamming doors.

Shwingbada · 28/05/2023 21:16

Thanks very much for your replies @booboo46 and @LostidentityM

We are very well suited in lots of ways (and the counselling thing was more of a self-indulgent/experimental notion at the time, not a serious suggestion; it was more the idea that all relationships can possibly benefit from it although of course that may not be true). But we are clearly not on the same page in our relationship styles. I do sometimes think he is controlling, or at least somewhat selfish, but he is straightforward about what he wants and has been from the start, having had traumatic times with his own exes. He is also immensely kind and supportive. I was with an abusive partner previously and this relationship is very different. I do think there’s possibly a lack of trust or imagining the worst on both sides.

@LostidentityM , you may be right that with the right person this wouldn’t be happening. I will keep your views in mind; not quite sure where this will end up at the moment.

Thanks again for your input.

Thisisworsethananticpated · 28/05/2023 21:58

Shwingbada

dating and ND are a tricky mix
to say the very least !

it might well be that his personality type isn’t a match for yours , hence the anxiety 😟

sounds like some calm thinking time needed

Thisisworsethananticpated · 28/05/2023 22:02

Door slamming is not abusive. It’s just loud

i strongly disagree
and I LOSE my shit sometimes and bang and crash 💥 , I’m not judging her . But as adults we need to own our shitty behaviour

but even when it’s a meltdown its appalling for the person at the receiving end

dont minimise it because a female is doing it

Thisisworsethananticpated · 28/05/2023 22:09

Text message (how else !)

basically a fundamental incompatibility issue arose
i didnt address it because I wanted to ‘have someone’ - so he got in first !

Im fine now but it did really upset me for a few days

CheesecakeAddict · 28/05/2023 22:46

As a fellow member of the ADHD club, I think we have to be exceptionally careful because we tend to go all in very early and that relationship becomes our primary source of dopamine, which is not healthy.

You've both got baggage from previous relationships which is going to impact how you view behaviour in subsequent relationships. But ultimately:

  1. He put you in a position where you couldn't express yourself openly about anything negative by his comment before you arrived.
  1. He seems controlling
  1. You are rebelling against that, potentially subconsciously, with passive aggressive behaviour.
  1. You have experience with ONE abusive ex, doesn't mean you are experienced in ALL abuses and therefore immune. I say this as someone who fled DV to then walk into a relationship where I was sent flowers, wined and dined, lovely texts every morning to being ghosted for 2 weeks, to being picked right up and it turned into a cycle stemming 4 months.

Honestly, I would at least take a breather from this relationship. Perhaps apologise for the door so it doesn't seem like you are ignoring him, but maybe just find something else in your life that gives you dopamine and see where he fits in then.

CheesecakeAddict · 28/05/2023 23:00

So my iron, let's call him Mr Hiker, came over last night. I'm starting to feel more confident that he's interested in me, I still have ExH's voice in my head telling me I'll never meet someone else, I'm fat etc.

I still feel that Mr Hiker is too good for me, but I realise now that he has seen me naked 3 times now so clearly knows what he's getting himself into. I have started running again as this is a great coping mechanism for my anxiety and I'm definitely more at a stage of "let's see where this goes and what happens" rather than "omg this HAS to work otherwise no one else will want me". I know a lot my anxiety around this iron comes from the unknown. I need people to be very explicit with me, I need communication, and I like plans. Whereas he is more like "let's spontaneously drive several hundred miles to Wales and disappear from society for several days" and I'm not used to that. But this is ultimately my trauma to work through, not his to change who he is, and it might not work out between us, but let's see what happens. Maybe having someone this laid back is exactly what I need

raysan1 · 29/05/2023 01:32

Random Q - new to online dating (Happn) and the last time I was dating was 2006.
Is it a thing that a guy will take coke before arranging a first date with you? Two of my irons were slightly manic, repetitive, erratic and couldn't really do a conversation, except about kissing

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