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Internet date had a girlfriend for the past year

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FeelingSad99 · 17/04/2023 21:36

I haven’t posted for years so starting afresh with a new username.

I am very amicably divorced (3 years now) with two pre teen children. I started internet dating in late 2020 and learned a huge amount. The last time I dated was 20 years earlier!

The first guy I really clicked with cancelled our first date on the day, then the next day there was a further Covid lockdown. We messaged for 9 months and became very close but then he disappeared and it later transpired that he was gay.

I had a break from the apps then last January matched with a seemingly great guy. He was a similar age, similar profession. We had the same taste in music, films, art, etc. It was just great. I met him a month later and the first date was lovely and we got on very well and kissed. He was my first first date in about 20 years.

However, a few days later he explained he wasn’t sure about the chemistry. Fair enough. I was disappointed but I understood and appreciated his honesty. The night before our date he had been out with a female friend until 3am and was hungover. In retrospect I realise this was a woman he was pursuing.

Fast forward 3-4 weeks and he gets back in touch wanting a second chance. He felt like he didn’t give us a proper chance. I really liked him and thought we were great together on that first date so I agreed and we met for drinks. He was super keen and we had another wonderful evening. The next day I get another text to say he’s not feeling it.

This basically went on and off for most of 2022. We would have an incredible date and the better it was, the harder he would panic and freak out. He was seemingly inexperienced, never had a long term relationship before and I also suspected he had mild ASD. I was patient and gentle with him.

Then he tells me that he and his female friend have become ambiguous in their friendship and they want to give it a go. I was upset but stepped away, asking him not to contact me again. They broke up and he said he wanted to pursue a proper relationship with me. I was massively hesitant to even meet him but he was very sweet and I agreed. On the date he announces that we can be friends after all. I freak out because he’s led me on.

We didn’t see each other for several months but he got in touch because he had my ticket to a future event. We ended up being friends and I invited him to a party.

After Christmas he wanted to meet as friends, which we did. I was willing to be friends because I had never met anyone who I had so much in common with. He was like my twin. We had the same upbringing, same part of the country a few miles apart, same cultural references. I just loved his company so much. During that meal he made a huge pass at me and we had a wonderful romantic evening. I didn’t go back to his place despite him asking.

We met a week later and he was completely different. Very cool and jumpy.

I just couldn’t cope anymore. I blocked him on Whatsapp. He realised and phoned after a few days and was full of apologies. We agreed he would leave me alone. He didn’t. I then sent him a very firm text that said date me properly or never contact me again. About 1-2 weeks later he texted to say he was thinking about how he had behaved. Another week later he messaged to see how I am. Another week later he asks me out on a proper date but doesn’t confirm specific details.

This weekend he was replying in a slightly different way. I asked him for reassurance. He says he’s still sorting his life out. He then confesses that he has a girlfriend who I suspect he was seeing from the beginning. This is the friend who he was ambiguous with before.

Previously they broke up because he says he has this huge emotional connection to her but he doesn’t fancy her and he can’t get aroused by her. He says this is still all an issue but clearly he can’t seem to break up with her. He says it’s complicated and changing and he can’t date me because he’s with her.

I feel like such a fool. I have been wishing and hoping for a proper relationship with him for over a year. I’m wondering if he was actually with her all this time.

He has lied and cheated a lot.

My stupid heart still has feelings for him. I don’t know why I can’t stop caring about him and move on. I only found out yesterday. I’m so heartbroken and confused by the whole thing.

Any thoughts or advice welcome. There is loads more to it but I appreciate this is already long and I can answer if you have questions. Thank you.

OP posts:
fruitbrewhaha · 18/04/2023 11:33

Moidershewrote · 17/04/2023 22:16

Honestly OP, he sounds like a tedious fuckwit!! What on earth are you doing wasting all these months and years if your life on this user for?

Read back your post out loud? The excuses, the handwringing, the number of chances 😱

This OP.

He is such a dick. If you had a friend in this situation what would you say? He is either a master manipulator who meddles with feelings and lies because he gets a kick out of it, or just plain fucking hard work. Imagine being married to someone who fucks you about like this, what a headfuck.

Get him out of your head now. He is not who or what you think he is. He really isn't. All this coming and going has played a trick on you and you are drawn in.

Pansypotter123 · 18/04/2023 12:15

Lots of good advice on here. How do you feel about him after reading everyone's comments?

Have you decided what you're going to do?

You questioned my suggestion you were in denial. Has anything you have read on here convinced you that you are not so?

TheKobayashiMaru · 18/04/2023 12:15

OP, you need to block him now on everything so he cannot contact you again. He has you running in circles and tying yourself up in knots, I bet he is really enjoying himself. I wouldn't believe one word he has said, especially the not having sex with her thing.

allyjay · 18/04/2023 12:26

He sounds repulsive tbh.
You do know that if he somehow miraculously ended things with her and got with you, that you'd be just like the girlfriend somewhere down the line? He'd be shagging around behind your back and telling other women that you don't have sex and he's not physically attracted to you. Because this is who he is, this is his MO. Believe it and remind yourself of it next time you feel weak or sad.

AprilFool23 · 18/04/2023 12:26

WTFJanice · 18/04/2023 11:31

You're giving this way too much headspace for something that'll be absolutely mortifying to contemplate in a year's time. Speaking from bitter experience.

There's no point trying to 'understand' this man when it seems - to outsiders - as if you're actually trying to find reasons to carry on your involvement, rather than close it down. He's not the only bloke out there that you can have hot sex and Camus seminars with. But you definitely won't meet them while you're wasting time on this.

This.

Youve clearly been in a fog with this flake.

We've all experienced the (relatively unusual) things in common and subsequent feeling of significance/fare ..... It's purely because you fancy them/feel an affinity for them; its like "he loves grilled cheese toasties, OMG so do I, it's like we're soul mates!".

If someone you didnt fancy/had no feelings for had things in common with you; they'd be meaningless/coincidence.

All this messing you around has clearly added a real push pull, up, down, dopamine/low compulsive aspect to this as well.

Pinkbonbon · 18/04/2023 12:28

He's telling her the exact same shit about you you know. That he doesn't fancy you qnd doesn't know why he keeps going back to you.

He's a player.

Also, you seem to be parroting what he has said to you as it's fact. He's a liar. You can't trust anything he says.

I also agree its more likely npd or similar. And you're confusing some of the mannerisms and behaviours for autism. Perhaps Gervase in your mind that makes them easier to excuse. 'He's not a bad person, he's just struggling'. No. He's a bad person.

Wake up and smell the coffee.
Block him.

FeelingSad99 · 18/04/2023 12:43

A bit of an update. I read through some of our old texts this morning, including the day we matched. He was doing something that day though I know he likes to do with her. I began to realise that he was probably with her right from the beginning.

I phoned him because I wanted to know for sure. He didn’t answer. In the meantime I thought, it’s okay, I have my answer now, he was with her the whole time. So I texted and said no need to call me back, I have worked it all out. Then we had a text exchange.

He was very elusive. A bit of gaslighting. He didn’t really deny much. I said why did you pretend you didn’t fancy her when obviously you do and she’s your girlfriend. I said why did you pretend you couldn’t get aroused with her?

He said they break up on and off. He said it’s not the strongest sexual connection (so obviously they are actually having sex). He said that they spend a lot of time together and have a lot of (emotional) intimacy so it’s complicated.

Anyway, that’s where we are. I guess he was never mine, not even on all those dates or in the special moments. He had a girlfriend who he was playing away from.

Oh he also said there has been physical activity with others on both sides.

OP posts:
Tabby87 · 18/04/2023 12:52

I think you're delusional and just getting a thrill off talking about it. You're taking no feedback on board and don't care about the other women involved.

You sound as self-absorbed as he is.

StellaAndCrow · 18/04/2023 12:56

OP, I had one of these. He even said to me once "I really don't think about you much when we're not together" (when I was thinking about him constantly, like you, wondering is he ASD/sensitive/traumatised etc etc)
He asked out other women while he was going out with me - they turned him down.
He's the one previous relationship that I REALLY regret spending so much time on - I wasted about 5 years, and I really recognise the sort of thoughts you describe. I'd be very happy for you if you manage to get out sooner than I did! xx

SpringleDingle · 18/04/2023 12:57

Fast forward 3-4 weeks and he gets back in touch wanting a second chance. He felt like he didn’t give us a proper chance. I really liked him and thought we were great together on that first date so I agreed and we met for drinks.

This is where you went wrong. You need some good early boundaries and to sack off fuckwits early on. This dude blew you off after date 1. That means you NEVER give him the chance for date 2.

There's a whole load of drama after this that proves my point and I didn't even need to read most of it. Dump this dude and next time a blows you off don't give him a chance to do it again.

Tabby87 · 18/04/2023 12:58

FeelingSad99 · 18/04/2023 12:43

A bit of an update. I read through some of our old texts this morning, including the day we matched. He was doing something that day though I know he likes to do with her. I began to realise that he was probably with her right from the beginning.

I phoned him because I wanted to know for sure. He didn’t answer. In the meantime I thought, it’s okay, I have my answer now, he was with her the whole time. So I texted and said no need to call me back, I have worked it all out. Then we had a text exchange.

He was very elusive. A bit of gaslighting. He didn’t really deny much. I said why did you pretend you didn’t fancy her when obviously you do and she’s your girlfriend. I said why did you pretend you couldn’t get aroused with her?

He said they break up on and off. He said it’s not the strongest sexual connection (so obviously they are actually having sex). He said that they spend a lot of time together and have a lot of (emotional) intimacy so it’s complicated.

Anyway, that’s where we are. I guess he was never mine, not even on all those dates or in the special moments. He had a girlfriend who he was playing away from.

Oh he also said there has been physical activity with others on both sides.

Do you have a job? Why is this taking up your day?

StellaAndCrow · 18/04/2023 12:59

I spent so much time thinking about him - like someone says upthread, I lost myself.

OP, you're getting so many replies like this because those of us who've been through it and recognise the type of thoughts you are having - we want to save you from going through the same thing!

StellaAndCrow · 18/04/2023 12:59

And then having the same regrets about wasted time and energy.

FeelingSad99 · 18/04/2023 13:00

Tabby87 · 18/04/2023 12:58

Do you have a job? Why is this taking up your day?

Ha! Yes but I work part time and not on Tuesdays.

OP posts:
FeelingSad99 · 18/04/2023 13:00

StellaAndCrow · 18/04/2023 12:59

And then having the same regrets about wasted time and energy.

Thank you. I feel like I have had to go through the last 48 hours to be able to move on.

OP posts:
StellaAndCrow · 18/04/2023 13:01

And do you really want a man who criticises other women's bodies?

StellaAndCrow · 18/04/2023 13:01

Good plan, I think you'll get there, and quite soon you'll be able to look back and be glad you're out of his drama.

Tabby87 · 18/04/2023 13:02

FeelingSad99 · 18/04/2023 13:00

Ha! Yes but I work part time and not on Tuesdays.

Get a full time job. Seriously. Volunteer. Join a sport or hobby.

Any of those things are better than sinking hours daily obsessing over this nobody.

StellaAndCrow · 18/04/2023 13:03

"It's not the strongest sexual connection"
Crikey, he's really trying to have it all ways isn't he!

(and it's rude of him to talk about her like that)

PylaSheight · 18/04/2023 13:03

@FeelingSad99 your posts are full of "he said..." and you desperately wanting to understand him. Just stop! He's proven to be a liar so why do you even believe what he says, eg he doesn't have sex with her?!

As for trying to figure him out so you can move on...just stop with the amateur psychology. It's futile and will make zero difference to his treatment of you. If you spent more time focussing on how you could've reacted to his awful behaviour of you, than being kind and giving him multiple chances, perhaps you could've prevented this mind fuck of a "relationship" from taking over your life for over a year. It's madness.

What I learned (the hard way) is

  1. talk is cheap. Actions speak louder than words
  2. it's pointless trying to understand why some men behave like twats as it doesn't stop them behaving like twats.
  3. women are not support animals for messed up men.
  4. if we find ourselves being treated badly, rather then focus on the abuser, focus on ourselves. Improve our self-esteem so we can tell them to fuck off at the first sign of twatiness (which in your case was after the first date!)
  5. if doing online dating, never chat for so long before meeting that you build an emotional connection. You won't know if you'll really get on until you meet, and it's a real blow to find out after months of chatting that they weren't how they seemed online. There are lots of fantasists, cheaters, fakers, time-wasters out there so you need to weed them out ASAP.
littleburn · 18/04/2023 13:09

supercali77 · 18/04/2023 06:27

My advice is to block him, on everything. Including social media...you aren't friends but he will 100% friend request you if you block him everywhere else. Get the book 'Mr unavailable and the fallback girl'. See if you recognise your situation in it. Try to realise what's actually happening here, not for him or with him, but for yourself. You've felt properly seen and understood, but by a very low empathy person. This is not a healthy attachment.

OP this is really good advice!

I lost 5 years of my life on a constant idealise/devalue/discard cycle with a 'complicated' man. What kept me there and kept me taking them back was 'the connection'. Like you I was early 40s, post-divorce and I truly thought I'd found my soul mate; for the first time in my life I felt seen and understood. I felt I knew him in my bones. We were meant to be and I convinced myself that if I hung in for long enough, tried to understand him etc etc he'd get past his issues and we'd be together forever ...

The painful lesson I learnt was you can have the strongest, most amazing connection with someone and they can still be absolutely toxic for you and your well-being. We're sold this idea of a soul mate, that when you feel that intense connection with someone it's 'meant to be'. So when the red flags pop up you find yourself excusing them, being lied to and deceived is minimised and you're constantly trying to explain away to yourself the cognitive dissonance between their words and actions. You spend hours obsessing over and googling their behaviour and putting labels on it, because they're your person and it's meant to be, right? But they're not and it's not! No one that messed up (whatever the reasons for it) can ever love you the way you deserve to be loved. The connection may be real, but their capacity to be in a honest, mutual, committed relationship with you isn't. The fundamental building blocks just aren't there.

Please just cut off all contact with him for your own good. If you don't the 'connection' will keep you hooked in, ever hoping that he's changed and now 'gets it'. Believe me, he won't!

StellaAndCrow · 18/04/2023 13:13

FeelingSad99 · 18/04/2023 11:15

He was implying that he didn’t want to be in a non monogamous relationship himself. He wasn’t forbidding it of someone else.

Isn't that exactly what he's been doing? He is in a non-monogamous relationship, stringing various women along including you. The only thing different is he isn't being truthful about it.
As pp says, he doesn't want the woman to be "non-monogamous" but he's happy doing it himself.

FeelingSad99 · 18/04/2023 13:15

StellaAndCrow · 18/04/2023 13:01

And do you really want a man who criticises other women's bodies?

No. He obviously loves her body really because he’s in a relationship with her.

He is actually the first man who made me feel physically accepted for who I am. So he had some use!

OP posts:
FeelingSad99 · 18/04/2023 13:16

Tabby87 · 18/04/2023 13:02

Get a full time job. Seriously. Volunteer. Join a sport or hobby.

Any of those things are better than sinking hours daily obsessing over this nobody.

Ha! I actually have a crazily busy intense job. I have this day to do my own stuff. I’m not ashamed of thinking about this today because I only made the discovery on Sunday. I have a history of hiding and burying my feelings so I don’t feel bad for facing this head on, feeling the sadness and working through it.

OP posts:
Tabby87 · 18/04/2023 13:17

You need to fill the time. The only reason you can't get enough of this drama is the rest of your life is boring / there's a void.

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