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Catfished on Hinge in a major way

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Soph30363 · 05/04/2023 19:07

I’d like to think I’m an intelligent person who is intuitive - now I’m completely doubting myself.

After a dreadful relationship and 2 and a half years on my own I felt ready to meet someone. Decided to give hinge a go. Matched with what I thought was a nice guy. Nice looking, family orientated and seemed nice enough. We got chatting, swapped numbers and a few pics. When I say pics I mean just of us and our lives. Arranged a date and well he supposedly fell asleep. I was completely thrown as it all seemed good until then. I said to forget it and that was that. I deleted hinge and decided to have a break. He messaged the following day to apologise and that was that.

After persuasion from friends I went back on hinge two weeks later. After being on there a couple of days he also reappears with a new profile and new pics - we don’t match. He then messages me on WhatsApp and we get chatting again. After messaging here and there for a few days he said he would like to take me out again. I decide to give him a chance. I ask for a FaceTime first and he says yes of course. The next few days we message and share pics, talk about life etc. By this point we haven’t FaceTimed because I was working long shifts. We arrange a date for 5 days time. The next day he states he feels unwell and comes down with the flu and some kind of chest infection. Says he’s really ill and on antibiotics. He then cancels his birthday night out, this all seems legitimate. When it comes to the date, it’s me that says you can’t come out like that. He’s so apologetic, can’t believe he’s missing it and he’s going to make it up to me.

As we start chatting more he opens up he has a shunt in his head. He had an injury at work 3 years previous. As he is still unwell he starts having nose bleeds and he ends up at hospital. He sent a couple of pics. Went into detail about the hospital and says he has a scan - they’re worried he has an infection. He goes home, doesn’t get better and then says he has to have surgery to have the shunt replaced.

He also then goes into details how his mum is unwell. She gets rushed to hospital on Mother’s Day. He sends pics of the hospital and the bed and complains. He really had me because I believed all of it.

He then supposedly went to hospital for his op. We hadn’t spoken by then. We had messaged a lot and shared pics, spoken about our lives and family. He even said I get it if you don’t want to get involved.

After the op, his sister supposedly messaged me. Told me he was ok - even said it was nice I cared and he was doing well. She went into detail, he had vomited after anaesthetic as he usually does but all was well.

A day and a half he messages me. Said he’s ok but feels delicate and we have a little chat. He’s apparently tired as he would be.

The next day I ask for a pic and he won’t send one. He also won’t tell me the ward - he said he doesn’t know. I have this weird feeling and mostly because my friend said it’s not right. So, I tell him I’m in the area at the hospital. He says no, you can’t see me like this. He gets angry. I said I have something for you and I’ll drop it off. He won’t tell me where he is. A few hours later I message and say I checked at the hospital and there is no one under his name at the hospital. He messages back and says I know because I’m not there. He says he is somewhere else, I say you aren’t because they don’t do that surgery there. He then gets angry and says ‘omg you think I’m lying’ he then says he is in another hospital and can’t tell me where.

The details this person went into about their life was astonishing. Family members, stories and pictures. They have literally taken an identity. This person was never sexual, there was the odd flirt but no pics or anything major. They didn’t ask for money or anything like that.

Why on earth would someone do this? I feel so stupid. I feel like a fool.

OP posts:
NaturalStudy · 05/04/2023 21:08

I don't say this to make you feel silly OP but beware that you may now be on a 'sucker's list' and be targeted by other scams. Be very cautious in the next few weeks/months. These people are complete twats.

njg616 · 05/04/2023 21:15

Please move on from this parasite

It'll be hard at first but you'll see it from a different angle after a couple of months

I had a similar situation of being used like this. No one wins

JKTrolling · 05/04/2023 21:25

Maybe I’m missing something but how do you know he wasn’t in hospital and just didn’t want that to be the first time you meet?

I don’t do OLD and I probably wouldn’t chat with someone for weeks like you did. But I don’t see how you have been catfished?

What did he get out of it unless he was lonely and wanted to chat?

carameansbeloved · 05/04/2023 21:46

I’d be a little bit worried your pics are going to be used to catfish other people now.

Fedupwitheveryone · 05/04/2023 22:11

i've had this too. I think most likely in reality he was either not single or very unattractive and therefore keen to pretend to be someone else. They are all chat until you want to meet them in reality. Like a PP said, persevere and just be more cautious. I now request to meet quite early on, if possible, and try not to talk too much until that can happen

Soph30363 · 05/04/2023 22:22

The reason I knew he wasn’t in hospital was because I asked the ward. He wouldn’t say and was being sheepish. I just felt like something was off. I then said I was in the area and was going to drop something off - he got angry. I said don’t worry I won’t ask to see you. I just knew. Anyway, later I said I went to the hospital and you weren’t there, no one with your name is. He said I’m in a different hospital. I said you can’t be, that one doesn’t do neuro surgery. He then states he’s in a different hospital but he wouldn’t say which one. Maybe he’s on a psych ward. It’s so messed up.

For me it’s the pictures he had. So many selfies. Pics of him as a baby and child. Pics of early 20’s and on holiday. It’s blown my mind.

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RudsyFarmer · 05/04/2023 22:33

I’m going with mental illness. Sometimes these men are actually women and they do it because they enjoy the attention and interaction. Hence why there was no sex talk.

Greycloudlooming · 05/04/2023 22:38

Soph30363 · 05/04/2023 22:22

The reason I knew he wasn’t in hospital was because I asked the ward. He wouldn’t say and was being sheepish. I just felt like something was off. I then said I was in the area and was going to drop something off - he got angry. I said don’t worry I won’t ask to see you. I just knew. Anyway, later I said I went to the hospital and you weren’t there, no one with your name is. He said I’m in a different hospital. I said you can’t be, that one doesn’t do neuro surgery. He then states he’s in a different hospital but he wouldn’t say which one. Maybe he’s on a psych ward. It’s so messed up.

For me it’s the pictures he had. So many selfies. Pics of him as a baby and child. Pics of early 20’s and on holiday. It’s blown my mind.

They usually steal the pics off an Instagram - like a friend’s account. If said account is private then nothing comes up on reverse images.

I think the PP who said he’s either not single or very unattractive is probably the most correct.

They usually do it for an ego boost. Learn how to talk to women, what women like etc. It helps them build confidence to leave a relationship if that’s what they intend to do (not to be with the person they’re catfishing). Practice for when they’re ready to peruse a relationship as themselves in the future.

Or they’re using it as escapism to escape their mundane life. Creating a life they wish they have. A personal they wish they were.

Ultimately, it boils down to extremely low self esteem. It’s very sad for all involved. I’ve seen people create multiple social media accounts to interact with one another, creating a whole ‘new’ life. LinkedIn where they’ve made multiple connections in their “industry”.

I am sorry this happened to you. X

usernother · 06/04/2023 04:48

Soph30363 · 05/04/2023 22:22

The reason I knew he wasn’t in hospital was because I asked the ward. He wouldn’t say and was being sheepish. I just felt like something was off. I then said I was in the area and was going to drop something off - he got angry. I said don’t worry I won’t ask to see you. I just knew. Anyway, later I said I went to the hospital and you weren’t there, no one with your name is. He said I’m in a different hospital. I said you can’t be, that one doesn’t do neuro surgery. He then states he’s in a different hospital but he wouldn’t say which one. Maybe he’s on a psych ward. It’s so messed up.

For me it’s the pictures he had. So many selfies. Pics of him as a baby and child. Pics of early 20’s and on holiday. It’s blown my mind.

He's not on any ward in any hospital. It's a scam.

JMSA · 06/04/2023 05:12

I think next time something seems implausible, trust your instincts and cut it dead.
You gave him way too many chances.

FuchsAndMöhr · 06/04/2023 05:42

usernother · 06/04/2023 04:48

He's not on any ward in any hospital. It's a scam.

You think 🤷🏼‍♀️🙄

isthismylifenow · 06/04/2023 05:56

Don't feel embarrassed OP, these scammers are very good. It's what they do for a living essentially. When I first went onto old I got a bit taken in by one, granted it was only a few days but it really opened my eyes to just how many of them are on there. I did see his picture using a different name a while later, so if you go back on there is a chance you will see him again.

As soon as they get a hint that you are on to them, they will block you and try the next target.

Even though he didn't have the obvious signs at first (in the oil, military, engineer industry, widowed and usually one teenage child), they are moving on, seem secure in their life, to be able to suck you in. They can do this for years. If nothing else, I always say they are pretty patient.

Clock it up to experience and what to look out for. Imo if the profile looks too good, it's usually a flag for me.

TomHanksIsFuckingAmazing · 06/04/2023 06:46

OP if you ever date in future go by my golden rule - if he cancels once give him the benefit of the doubt depending on the excuse. If he cancels twice drop him instantly.

I say "depending on the excuse". If he says "I'm so sorry I've come down with food poisoning, I was really looking forward to tonight. I hope you understand and would love to reschedule for next Thursday?" Okay fine if the Thursday happens. Last year I was chatting to someone who cancelled a first date because "I've just found out my shifts are about to change so I'm not going out for a couple of weeks". What complete and utter bullshit, plus even if it wasn't what woman with an ounce of self respect would be interested in a man who can't even afford a quick drink at short notice? Loser.

Fuck men. They're either slobbering all over you like some untrained rottweiler or they won't healthily commit at all.

I've quit. Bring me that cat 🤟

CalloohCallayFrabjousDay · 06/04/2023 06:48

I agree it's a scam, but just suppose it wasn't...

You're in hospital and obviously not in a great way, someone who you've never actually met says "oh I'm nearby, I'll pop in". First thing you'd think would be, don't want them to see me like this... and then if they said they'd called the hospital you'd think stalker!!! The hospital wouldn't tell them anything unless they lied and said they had a close relationship and that would be worrisome too.

lv884 · 06/04/2023 07:42

CalloohCallayFrabjousDay · 06/04/2023 06:48

I agree it's a scam, but just suppose it wasn't...

You're in hospital and obviously not in a great way, someone who you've never actually met says "oh I'm nearby, I'll pop in". First thing you'd think would be, don't want them to see me like this... and then if they said they'd called the hospital you'd think stalker!!! The hospital wouldn't tell them anything unless they lied and said they had a close relationship and that would be worrisome too.

Hence this hospital narrative is perhaps a good one to use in the mind of the catfish/scammer.

Good luck with dating, OP. Sorry you went through this. There are so many genuine people on dating apps but I know it’s easy for experiences like this to deter us.

tribpot · 06/04/2023 07:43

OP did say she wasn't going to try and see him in hospital, just drop something off. But he knew the jig was up.

Equally @Soph30363 I think the test was when you went back for more after he'd blown you off the first time by missing your first date due to 'falling asleep'. He then reappears on Hinge with a new profile (same name, I assume, as that would have been too obvious) but now only wants to talk to you off the platform.

All of that screams out you were an easy mark. These scammers are super plausible, remember the MN thread recently about someone whose friend was absolutely convinced the guy she'd never seen or spoken to was (a) the love of her life and (b) paying a government fee of thousands direct to the Greek government out of his own account.

MinnieEgg · 06/04/2023 07:47

He's not on any ward in any hospital. It's a scam.

Everyone knows this. Confused

It's gone along pretty classic lines and it's probably a woman because of the sister. He would have got worse in the hospital and she would have become the one communicating with you.

Don't feel stupid. For a start you have worked it out and also because they know what they are doing.

Opentooffers · 06/04/2023 08:59

OLD is full of people who want to chat and not meet for their own reasons. To avoid wasting time on them, set boundaries such as a few days chat via the site, then swap numbers and 2weeks max to meet. Then, no matter how fake they are, it limits the time impacted. Also talk to others, don't put all your eggs in 1 basket. You will come across more, expect it.

Over40Overdating · 06/04/2023 09:13

That’s rotten @Soph30363 .
OLD is full of people who are there for attention, validation, cheap thrills or scamming at someone else’s expense so you do have to have a thick skin and high standards to sift through it and keep your sanity.

This person is unhinged - they sound like a fantasist go was enjoying the attention.

I’ve stopped OLD now but I learned that I needed to have really clear boundaries and standards to avoid being suckered in.
If they won’t FaceTime or chat on the phone before the date - there’s no date.
If they cancel for any reason - deleted.
Convoluted life story - unmatched.

OLD didn’t used to be such a cesspit but I think in the last few years it’s changed from mostly normal people trying to meet other normal people to very damaged and entitled people using it as a form of validation and thinking it’s like Amazon for humans.
I don’t think it’s to do with being older either - I’ve got friends in their 20s, gay and straight, having the same issues.

Mumofnarnia · 06/04/2023 09:28

He does sound like a catfish or at least not who he claims to be.

However I must admit, I wouldn’t want someone who I’d only chatted to online for a few weeks and never met before turning up at the hospital after I’d just had surgery whether it was to see me or drop something off. I do find that a bit weird and would probably creep me out a little and if I thought for one minute that a stranger online was possibly trying to find out which ward I’m on so that they can turn up I’d be very much on edge too and not wanting to give that information…. But that may be just me.

But I do believe your intuition is right and that he has possibly stolen the pictures from someone online and taken their identity or made up a lot of bullshit about his life that isn’t true.

arethereanyleftatall · 06/04/2023 11:29

What everyone else said. Unless you're also enjoying the chatting (tbh I do regardless of where it goes! - even if it's a scam it can still be interesting) then meet quickly. With regards to all the photo detail, I think sometimes it is them, but maybe thirty years ago. So a lonely old 60 year old man ( for example) could be chatting to a beautiful 30 year old woman. It's easy to see why people do it. More fun than TV. We do it really on mn - chatting to strangers with no commitment required.

EvenMoreFuriousVexation · 06/04/2023 11:43

Please don't feel embarassed OP, "he" has probably run this trick on numerous people - perhaps still is even now.

For me it’s the pictures he had. So many selfies. Pics of him as a baby and child. Pics of early 20’s and on holiday. It’s blown my mind.

In hindsight does this sound fishy? I wouldn't send old pics of myself to someone I hadn't even met! Selfies of my day, sure - here's me out with a friend, here's my dinner, here's my pet rat, etc. But baby pics?! I'm wondering if they were sort of trying to prove themselves in advance?

Doggydarling · 06/04/2023 11:48

I've not done OLD but used to get friends requests from the usual suspects, the military guy (always American), widowed, stationed abroad, I'd accept and say I'm really really glad you got in touch, I'm very lonely, can we facetime asap? As soon as facetime was mentioned they'd vanish, account deleted. Only had to do it a few times and I was obviously removed from the scammers list because the friends requests stopped.

Can2022getanyworse · 06/04/2023 12:00

I had 9ne like this op. He went off the radar and after a couple of days I got a call from the police asking if he'd ever asked for cash. He had been arrested and charged with fraud, theft and all sorts. Was convicted and got 8 years (plus more unless he gave some of the cash back).

There are good ones out there, just take some good precautions and have solid boundaries.

RJ57 · 06/04/2023 12:01

@Soph30363 If it helps I was cat fished in a very similar way, but much worse way, by someone who was in the US. We met through a shared love of music (so not online dating). They also ended up in hospital with "cancer" and "couldn't facetime because they'd lost their hair etc". I thought I was very switched on and I did reverse image searches at times and I spoke to people about it and said "why on earth would someone make all this stuff up and spend so much time talking to me if its not true?"

I was utterly suckered in to the point that I supported them online through their treatment for cancer and to the point where they "died". I was devastated by it. I only discovered the lies when they contacted me again as a "friend" of the person who had died and who was also struggling to move on. Eventually reverse image search did make a hit and their lying house of cards came down. I was suckered for a couple of years.

Turned out they were married with two kids and were mentally sick in the head and seemed to get some sort of perverse pleasure out of hurting me. They didn't want money, they seemed to want attention and seemed to love making their situation seem worse and worse. It was awful and took some years to get over.

So, you dodged a bullet. It could have been much, much worse.

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