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My relationship with 7 year old daughter is breaking down and I don’t know what to do anymore. Please offer some support if you can.

137 replies

Myfirstborn · 20/03/2023 09:58

Please be kind this is killing me.

I share a daughter, 7, with my ex, she was 3 when I left due to abuse. He took it to court but was found guilty and after a few years no access and a bit of supervised access has been given every other weekend. I and he have new relationships. I’ve been with mine a few years and in the beginning his and her relationship was lovely.

Everything is slowly going downhill. Especially since contact has started. Daughter was always a little difficult. I don’t blame her. For the first 3 years when her parents were together her dad abused her mum and he manipulated dd. Her dad would not parent with me and said it’s his job to be the good cop and me the bad. He would do no naughty step, but buy, feed her what she wanted, let her do what she wanted. If that meant she had a whole six pack of crisps then so be it. Narcissistic behaviour really. He was manipulating her, he needed her love. When the judge denied him contact I must admit I felt guilty and perhaps was too gentle on her in those early years. I’ve made a rod for my own back people tell me. But these behaviours were visible before the contact stopped when she was 3.

This behaviour has just got worse and worse. She disrespects me on a daily basis. She has told me to die. She lies, cheats, steals in order to get what she wants, at all costs really. She doesn’t care if things get taken away or she can’t have it later as long as she gets it at that point. She is awful to my partner now, says she hates him ( she used to say she loved him and gave him cuddles). Their relationship is breaking down. He also sees how she treats me and he finds it upsetting.

If she wants something she will just take it despite me telling her she needs to ask. When I say anything to her I just get I will tell my dad on you and he will come and shout at you. When she gets told off or called out she will react with anger and will then blame her outburst on me, or whoever calls her out. She is doing it at school also. If someone takes something from her because she refuses to share she will bite them or push them. She will blame her reaction on them. She if asked will not feel sorry or understand that hurting another isn’t kind.

I ordered her some age appropriate books last week to read to her. One was called Kindness is my super power. She saw it on the table and said I know why you bought me this then proceeded to throw it in the bin saying I don’t want to be kind.

I feel awful saying it and I try so desperately to word it in this way but I hate her behaviour. I don’t like taking her around family for dinners etc as she will make her cousins cry when she constantly cheats on games. She steals others sweets etc. She says things eg for Mother’s Day yesterday we went to the in-laws for dinner and she looked up at the table and went “urgh are we still here”. She was then told no more cake so she stole 3
in the end that she got caught out.

I don’t know what to do. I’m guessing that our differing parent techniques has done this. Her father puts her on a pedestal and manipulates this for his advantage. She has always loved it, who wouldn’t rather do and get what they want. I try and enforce boundaries but it’s not working. I try and teach her consequences but she doesn’t get it at all. She didn’t even want to spend Mother’s Day with me, she wanted to go to her dads so she can get bought toys and he doesn’t make me do anything. When I told her that she’d be with mummy yesterday she got so angry at me. I must admit I got a bit teary, that’s my little girl.

I feel I’m loosing her.

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CaroleSinger · 21/03/2023 10:26

Myfirstborn · 20/03/2023 14:34

@80s she said you bought me these books because I know you want me to be kind but I don’t want to be kind then put them in the bin.

And what did you actually do when she did that? Leave them in the bin? Let her get away with it?

With kindness your whole approach seems to be it's all her dad's fault she's the way she is, but do you not see a pattern at all? You are also letting her do what she wants. There are no consequences to her behaviour. She's even threatening your partner that she'll get her dad to beat him up? A 7 year old child? Seriously?

I think you need to stop focusing on her dad and develop your own rules in your house, and if he does interfere you stand up for yourself and tell him to butt out. It doesn't matter what he lets her do. It doesn't mean it continues in your house.

You've admitted in the early years you also let her do what she wanted but I really don't think focusing on her dad's parenting style is going to help the situation in your house because it won't change anything. Only you can do that. Let her run to her dad telling tales. What exactly is he going to do about it?

If this is 7 years old, you don't even want to know what 13 will look like with no boundaries and pandering to her threats and manipulation.

Merlinsbeard83 · 21/03/2023 10:27

This sounds so sad for you and your daughter . Can you get ss involved and detail all the examples of his awful behaviour. He shouldn't be crying on video calls and manipulating her. Maybe he needs an independent party explaining how his behaviour and comments are having a negative effect on your daughter.
I agree with lots of other people, she obviously needs therapy.

Hope the gp helps .

piedbeauty · 21/03/2023 10:32

Your ex is completely toxic and will ruin your dd.

I'd get urgent legal advice and see about stopping his access to her altogether until he takes some parenting classes or has some therapy.

Your dd also needs therapy.

LoekMa · 21/03/2023 10:34

Myfirstborn · 21/03/2023 09:50

I’m sorry @LoekMa I’m not understanding your response. I’m talking to a seven year old like what sorry?

The fact you think an adult should speak to a 7 (!!!!!) Y/o like this

If he was honest and told her I hurt your mummy so bad because I was desperate for her to love me and I didn’t want to face the fact that I felt unlovable deep down. In the crossfire objects hit you. I made your mummy unwell and I didn’t care. I manipulated everyone around me including you so that you loved me more and more because I had a leak. Just as fast as I felt love it leaked out the other end. I sucked her dry so now your mummy has a life long health condition and I damaged her mental health so severe that it’s taken years to repair, if it ever will fully.

Honestly, that poor child. Reading all the updates, neither you nor her bio dad seem emotionally mature enough to be taking care of a child. Whatever historywent on between you two has clearly not been properly dealt with she is caught in the middle of it.

What an unfortunate beginning for such an unfortunate child.

Myfirstborn · 21/03/2023 10:35

@CaroleSinger she has had all her treats removed for a week and her IPad apart form the time table app, she has lost all her privileges. I’ve told her I love her but I’m not happy with what she did. She reacts with dad will buy me another, dad will come and shout at you. I’ve said that’s not a kind thing to say but it doesn’t change anything.

I am desperately trying to undo the result
of my lax parenting. I was suffering, I ran away with nothing for those years, we were just surviving. Im now having to deal with what that has done. Loving her and feeling guilty has just made a rod for my own back. I do feel terrible getting getting tough now because it’s not her fault but that’s the past and I need to step up. She has become very good at manipulating me because I was weak one time. I’m not now. I have helped create this but I
want to do my best to make it better.

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Myfirstborn · 21/03/2023 10:39

@LoekMa no we are not perfect. But what would be if we just gave up and said oh well that’s a lost cause now. Making a mistake and learning and doing better is the best lesson to teach anyone.

She is a beautiful little girl who needs some support and her mum needs support in order to support her daughter.

Im here because I love her and I can be honest and say I get a lot wrong but I’m listening. I’ll not give up on me or her for anyone.

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Myfirstborn · 21/03/2023 10:42

@Merlinsbeard83 he was sent on a DAPP course and a parenting one. If he was listening he would know how his behaviour is not helping her. He lost content because of his lack of insight. It’s obvious he has gained none.

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nc13467 · 21/03/2023 10:44

LoekMa · 20/03/2023 13:01

OP..for the Love of..

You are not letting a 7 year old CHILD walk all over you.

Screw good cop bad cop. She doesn't need a friend, she needs a stern figure and a firm hand to guide her. You are her mother and honestly, you need to remind her of where she stands in your family hierarchy before she ends up like one of those "problem kids" on T.V

Useful, practical advice......🙄

romdowa · 21/03/2023 10:49

Maybe have a look at pathological demand avoidance? I wonder could that explain some of her issues? Also the book the explosive child is very good as well.

kittensinthekitchen · 21/03/2023 11:08

What is "kind"? Does she know this? What about "good" behaviour?

Stop focusing on "being kind" and break things down more. Simple rules, that are agreed between you and written up and displayed prominently at home.

Frame the rules positively, not negatively. Tell her the behaviour you do want to display, not the behaviour you don't

E.g. not "no hitting" but "We use gentle hands and don't touch each other without permission".

Not "don't be cheeky", but "We speak to each other using friendly words"

Rules should be applied to everyone in the house, for you and her to both follow.

Myfirstborn · 21/03/2023 11:15

@kittensinthekitchen sounds good. She loves craft so would like to decorate it. I have asked her if she understands kind and she did say I don’t know how. I meant it in the context of talking kind but I see how it must be confusing for her.

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Myfirstborn · 21/03/2023 11:17

What are appropriate consequences? She hates having to go to her room as doesn’t like to be alone. Is that a consequence or is that unfair?

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kittensinthekitchen · 21/03/2023 11:18

It's definitely worth a try @Myfirstborn

We are very good at telling our children what not to do, but sometimes forget to tell them what we do want and expect from them. Some kids don't pick up on these things naturally or at the speed we'd like them to, like any other child development. She maybe just needs a bit more modelling.

Good luck Flowers

kittensinthekitchen · 21/03/2023 11:21

Myfirstborn · 21/03/2023 11:17

What are appropriate consequences? She hates having to go to her room as doesn’t like to be alone. Is that a consequence or is that unfair?

I'd concentrate more on reward for the moment.

A simple reward chart where she can tick the box off for things like using kind words. Then so many ticks or stickers, she earns a treat (get her input and agreement on the treat, come up with it together. At this age mine opted for designated one on one time with me as her reward at the end of the day)

The consequence is not earning the reward, if that makes sense?

Myfirstborn · 21/03/2023 11:27

@kittensinthekitchen ah ok yes.

So I have issues with picking up toys or getting dressed in the morning. She says do it yourself when I ask her to help. This would be no sticker that day nothing else? Not doing her homework and shouting at me, again no sticker. I have tried something similar with getting her to do her homework. I said if she does it well we can go to the craft shop and she can choose a craft as she loves craft. The first bit I asked her to do she refused then said if I want a crafts daddy will buy it anyway. I find it hard to do reward based things.

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Myfirstborn · 21/03/2023 11:30

We did it with a roller skate doll she wanted. We were working on kind talking. She told him on the vides call and the next week her took her and bought it.

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Myfirstborn · 21/03/2023 11:38

I know I sound like I talk about him but I find it hard. Me and her had something together where we do crafts, ive a masters in design so it’s my thing. Suddenly it’s now his thing and has bought half the craft shop. I have a dog I’ve always wanted and one day hope to have, he now is going to get the dog. My partner is into camping in his van, he now is into van camping….everything me and her have between us that is special and could be used as a reward he does or buys. She tells daddy we went camping somewhere nice he tells her to ask me where so he can take her. Why can’t he have his own things he does with her?

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Myfirstborn · 21/03/2023 11:51

Anything you do is a one sided competition. For her birthday everyone else buys normal birthday cards, he has a two foot one sent with his face on from moo pig or whatever to my house and a mug with his face on.

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StopStartStop · 21/03/2023 12:08

You can see that he's doing this deliberately to get to you, can't you?
So ignore it.
If you're planning something with dd, let her in on it just before you do it, so there's no time to tell daddy and let him get in first.
His two foot face on a card? 'Aww, how lovely darling!' to your dd, then ignore. The mug? Finds its way to the back of the cupboard.
He seems to be quite narcissistic in his ways.

HappierTimesAhead · 21/03/2023 12:17

LoekMa · 21/03/2023 10:34

The fact you think an adult should speak to a 7 (!!!!!) Y/o like this

If he was honest and told her I hurt your mummy so bad because I was desperate for her to love me and I didn’t want to face the fact that I felt unlovable deep down. In the crossfire objects hit you. I made your mummy unwell and I didn’t care. I manipulated everyone around me including you so that you loved me more and more because I had a leak. Just as fast as I felt love it leaked out the other end. I sucked her dry so now your mummy has a life long health condition and I damaged her mental health so severe that it’s taken years to repair, if it ever will fully.

Honestly, that poor child. Reading all the updates, neither you nor her bio dad seem emotionally mature enough to be taking care of a child. Whatever historywent on between you two has clearly not been properly dealt with she is caught in the middle of it.

What an unfortunate beginning for such an unfortunate child.

She doesn't think an adult should speak to a 7 year old like this! She is venting on this thread because her abusive ex is making her life hell and mainpulating and emotionally absuing her daughter. It's a really difficult situation and she has come on here for a bit of suppport. Show a bit of empathy! Every single comment you have posted has been entirely unhelpful. OP, I am so sorry you are going through this. Remember that deep down your daughter loves you very much.

Myfirstborn · 21/03/2023 12:20

@StopStartStop I’m unsure if it’s directed at me. He seems to be doing things that he thinks will be in favour with her. Eg the dog because me and her talk about it and she gets excited. If he buys it he gets to feel that. The crafts and the van makes her pull towards him. I don’t feel he really thinks about deliberately hurting me but it is a by product. The card was to simply shove his face in the picture, you can’t ignore that stood amongst the other cards. He follows it up with that’s just how much daddy loves you. The bigger the better, the person who gets their first loves you the most. He gets all the supply.

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StopStartStop · 21/03/2023 12:24

Hmm. Well, I'm not convinced. But maybe he is an innocent, try-hard daddy. You still need to ignore.

Myfirstborn · 21/03/2023 12:25

@StopStartStop he isn’t a try hard dad, he’s manipulating our daughter for supply whatever the consequences are to her.

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StopStartStop · 21/03/2023 12:40

What do you intend to do, OP? Have you found any therapists yet?

Myfirstborn · 21/03/2023 13:00

@StopStartStop I’ve booked a doctors appointment. I’ve spoken to the school with no luck.

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