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New Fab & Glam (Part 3 - The Quest Continues!)

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Paddlechick666 · 05/02/2008 10:18

Here we go ladies!

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sugarpear · 13/03/2008 13:43

thats exactly how it was with dh and gt she was his dealer. And even when he had no money she still gave it to him.

Personally ive never been addicted to anything ( other than shoes)( oh and chocolate) so i dont understand it. I dont smoke i barely drink and drugs never! But i do understand that people can be addicted after just trying it once. And if he is using it and depending on what its being mixed iwth heach time he'll be getting a different buzz each time. And once the buzz is gone they are looking for the next one quick.

Hopefully 5 days away without her? Will also mean 5 days without anything else and may help him start to with draw.

Kids are stirring from their sleeps. Got 3 of them snotty and coughing. Was meant to do the ironing but teabag chatting soooooooo much more important!

Will be back before sunday oohhh am so excited but useless on directions so will hopefully see you all sunday!!! lol xx

TimeForMe · 13/03/2008 13:50

Mmm. dp says he gets a buzz from the winning, that it gives him a high. He described it as being better than sex! that may explain why I'm still in my own room them

I'm like you Sugar, have never been addicted to anything. Apart from toxic people

I wish I could be with you all on Sunday, you are going to have a fab time! Better get Baffy a reinforced chair though, all those puddings!!

Tanee58 · 13/03/2008 14:29

Hi - my god, what a lot's happened since Monday - I haven't been near a computer since then, will catch up later.

Lilybubble, quick HI! . No news on the police and DP - he's got to go back on 1 April - I just hope to God it doesn't go to court - or if it does, not till after August or it'll interfere with his summer tour.

Kevin Spacey eh? He sent me a Birthday card! (I don't know him, but my friend included him on his list of famous people to send me cards) Obviously a lovely man.

Baffy · 13/03/2008 14:33

Oh great, so he's not only getting his 'high' from the drugs, but also from his lapdancing slapper SG and god knows what 'tricks' she has up her sleeve!!
No chance of getting him away from them both have I?!!

No wonder he keeps going back for more!

On a serious note though - I guess it's no wonder she's a better prospect than me. God knows what bloody lapdances and pole dancing tricks she shows him to get him in the mood! All for free! Why would any man choose his frumpy boring wife when he has that

TimeForMe · 13/03/2008 14:38

Baffy! Really! you? Frumpy and boring? Never? Well, maybe after all those puddings on Sunday

Maybe thats the secret! Maybe we ahould all take up pole dancing It's good for the inner thighs you know. So i've heard

What about SG's Baffy, would you say she could be on drugs? We know she is manic, a complete nutter but does she display any other signs?

sugarpear · 13/03/2008 14:52

Baffy if his is on the drugs he could be shagging spongebob squarepants for all its worth nothing to do with her at all.

Hey im fat and frumpy but i used to be a gymnast when i was lots yonger and im still extremely flexible Im sure i could do a pole dance it i could just manouvre my belly and boobs out the way!!

He is a twat but i think maybe his even starting to see that. The thing with drugs his that no matter how much you love and support them they have to want to get clean first.

Back to peanut butter sandwiches now..........

Baffy · 13/03/2008 14:55

I don't think so TFM.
I really don't have much experience of drugs so I don't know for sure.

But her erratic behaviour, to me, smacks of someone who is immature and unable to deal with and process her emotions. She flys off the handle and makes snap decisions. Then regrets it later.

H once suggested he thought she was bi-polar. Because of the extremes of behaviour and mood swings. Now I really don't know anything about that, but I honestly don't think it's that either.

I think she has mega tantrums, almost as a child would when they don't get their own way.

She is also depressed, so suffers from extreme lows (hence her counselling and AD's). She self harms. Has taken numerous overdoses. And also has a violent nature. But I think that's just her. She's been a bit of a psycho since a young age from all accounts. From accusing her father of molesting her just to get attention. To stabbing a friend in the leg who she fell out with. To using sex to get what she wants from about age 14 I think.

Could all that be drug related?? I guess so.

My thoughts though is that she is just a totally messed up nasty piece of work who is determined to get her own way no matter who she hurts.

As for H. Even if there are drugs involved. His behaviour is down to 1 thing and 1 thing only. He's a knob. End of!

TimeForMe · 13/03/2008 15:00

She could have manic depression Baffy. Kerry Katona has manic depression, need I say more. There is another screwed up young woman.
Anyway, it's not for you to have to understand or accpet her. She is a trollop and not welcome in your life. End of!

sugarpear · 13/03/2008 15:09

Baffy it may seem that he "prefers" her but i honestly don't think thats the reality of it.

Going by my personal experince with dh. he wasnt ready to face up to the pain he caused and by using cocaine it meant he didnt have to. And the longer it went on the harder it was to face up. Its only when i walked away completely and he really hit rock bottom that he had no choice but to faceup.

From what you have said i think his come close to "facing " up several times and thats when gt starts playing up again.

This is all a game to her she doesnt love him otherwise she wouldnt be able to sleep around like she does.

I think he needs help. Professional help. would he go to a counsellor on his own? But maybe with you driving him there waiting and driving him home so for 1) you know he went and for 2) that she doesnt stop him?

Its a hard line of still letting him know you care and you want to help but not giving in to him. And of cours it doesnt help with a complete fruitcake in the back ground.

Baffy · 13/03/2008 15:38

He's been seeing an individual counsellor through his doctor for months now.

Sad thing is, as he did when we saw a counsellor together, he has lied all through it. As far as his counsellor knows he has been well finished with OW for months now.

The counsellor was wondering why he was getting no further on and why he wasn't making progress.

So was I.

I now know it was because he was seeing her all along but wouldn't admit it.

Since this has all come out, surprisingly, he hasn't been back to his counsellor! Can't face her!

Stupid idiot didn't click that the sessions were confidential, solely for his benefit and he was supposed to tell the truth!

What a waste of valuable time and money. The poor counsellor. No wonder she couldn't do her job.

There really is no point in H going to counselling until he stops lying to himself. He really doesn't get anything!!!!

TimeForMe · 13/03/2008 16:03

Love you very much Sugar but have to disagree with you a bit. Great post bu, I don;t think Baffy should go anywhere near him. She would be taking 1000 steps backwards! GW has to do whatever he has to for for himself with no babysitting duties from Baffy.
You still my friend?

I was thinking about what you said Sugar, about it being nice that we have each other and we each can talk to each other. that got me thinking about DP and how he talks to no one. He doesn't share confidences or worrys, thoughts or anything with anyone. He is a very, very private person. But, I am beginning to think that this may be a great disadvantage to him. If he doesn't open up he never gets to thrash thoughts and ideas about so, in his own mind he is always right. I know only too well from experience that he thinks he is never wrong maybe if he talked to people a bit more and actaully listened he would learn something. Thats me thinking out loud again

sugarpear · 13/03/2008 16:23

Always tfm

And after baffy's post you are definately right again! It would be like going back x amount of steps. Especially as he even lies to his counsellor! I am completely flumexed by baffys h.

As for your dp tfm. Thats incredibly sad he doesnt open up to anyone. But i think thats men in general really. More into beating their chests whilst chanting "ugg ugg ugg" or burping, and farting proudly!

Honestly if we put all our dp/dh's in a room and recorded them it would play back like a caveman documentary.

Baffy · 13/03/2008 16:27

TFM he must be a very lonely man

Thing is though, it's like you say, if he did talk, would he actually listen?? H and I have talked more in this last year than we did in the previous 14. I'm sure of it. But I can bet my life that he has not once actually listened.

It's a skill that a lot of people just can't manage.

It goes in. But it doesn't register.

Going off the subject for now...
TFM would there be any chance of you and dd coming for the weekend to London? Get away from it all? Forgive me if this is out of line, but I often wondered if you weren't able to come because of dp. Not because you don't want to, iyswm.
Now I could be totally off the mark there! You probably don't want to come because you know we're a bunch of hairy arsed truckers and you like the 'online' friendship but could do without seeing us nutters in RL!

Just, well, if there's a tiny part of you that wants to come. And you're rocking the boat big time anyway. Why not go the whole hog and disappear for the weekend?! Show him you really mean business!!

Seriously though, I would drive you down. I'd even drive to pick you up first!

I just want you to know how much we want you there and how much you'll be missed. It's totally your call. And with everything else going on a weekend away is probably the last thing you need!

But I have to be sure!

xx

Baffy · 13/03/2008 16:27

lol sugar!!

TimeForMe · 13/03/2008 16:34

Bless you Baffy, that is so blooming lovely of you! xx

You are right again. The first reason I decline any invitation is because of him, I imagine the fallout It's not pretty. I'm a lot stronger yes but I'm not ready for that yet. I may well come home to find all my things have been taken to the tip and the locks have been changed. And yes, he has taken my belongings to the tip before, my bestest funeral coat for one!! He also took, in is haste, my DS brand new school uniform which I had put in my wardrobe.

However Baffy, when I am all sorted out and i am not living under any shadows or conditions I would LOVE to take you up on your offer of a lift to a Teabag meetup. I would absolutely love to!! I could never be as brave as you and drive and my confidence is good but it't not great so that really would be fabulous!!

Baffy · 13/03/2008 16:38

Ah ok then

One step at a time. And you've made a few mahoooosive steps this last week. So lets not push it too far too soon!!

There will 100% definitely be a meet up when you're all settled and able to come, and it will be my pleasure to be your personal chauffeur the whole time!!!

We will have a ball! I look forward to that day

xx

TimeForMe · 13/03/2008 16:40

sugar!

TimeForMe · 13/03/2008 16:41

Me too Baffy! You have given me something to smile about and aim for. Thank you xx

Baffy · 13/03/2008 16:44

xxxxxxx

Dior · 13/03/2008 17:39

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HappyWoman · 13/03/2008 17:56

Dior you are so right - when i was burdened with the everyday crap of a sahm i completely lost my confidence and also thought it was my fault.

I also think that men gernerally do not open up to anyone - they seem to somehow just deal with issues and file them away in their brains - we see the effects but i dont think they do.

However much we know it is better to talk and open up i really dont think we will ever change them. We are then back to us 'putting' up with it all. Thats not in a negative way by the way - i mean we have to accept that is how they are and ask ourselves whether we can live with that or not.

Whatever you do TFM i am sure it will be the best for you and you know we will be there for you all the way.

HappyWoman · 13/03/2008 17:59

And when they do admit to things not being perfect in their marriage it is usually to another woman and as we know it makes them feel so special and we dont want to go over what happens next do we . look i can even smile about it - does that mean i am accepting it more?

TimeForMe · 13/03/2008 19:59

Thats a lovely post Dior, and so true.

Thank you HW, i have certainly done a lot of thinking recently. Deep thinking I think I have realised that even though I managed to improve things to a certain extent, my focus was still on DP, changing my behaviour rather than expecting him to change but still centering things around him, if that makes sense. I have still been working for his love and approval. I was so wrapped up in making things here work, making a success of the relationship that once again I forgot about me. It was still all about him. (i think you metioned that today Baffy, maybe it's you who planted the seed ) Your last post has just struck a chord with me Dior. I have mentioned a few times to DP that I would like a job, just a part time job but he has always blocked it. He has made it clear that I cannot rely on him for support with childcare etc. Then I start thinking about DD and, because of his lack of input I feel totally responsible for her, for her well being and her happiness, I think of her in childcare after school and once again I talk myself out of it. Yes, I do believe I would feel guilty having to send DD to after school club but, I think having a job, my own money and like you say Dior, friends and aquaintances, would do me the world of good and in turn DD would benefit from that, wouldn't she?
HW how do you manage childcare while you work? What about you Dior, do you work all of school hours so don't need childcare? Did either of you find it hard going back to work, did you feel guilty about DC's?

Anyway ladies, this evening I have been thinking that my next step should be to find myself a part time job. Then I can save some money and i can find myself a house without having to rely on Dp at all. I will be totally independent of him and he will have no hold over me. My confidence is rather low at the moment so I am as nervous as heck just thinking about it but, I want to be back up there again. I want to be in the same place I was when I got divorced all those years ago. That was the best time of my life.

So, I have decided, yes, decided, that even if DP does soften, start being nice and indicate that he has changed his mind (he won't actually say he has, he will just expect me to put two and two together by the way he is behaving) I am still going to leave. Yes, I love him, don't ask me why because he doesn't give me much to love, I care about him and, there is a part of me that feels sorry for him but, I want to be happy, really happy and i don't think I will be able to achieve that here. I think I owe it to myself to at least give it a go. No more burying my head in the sand, no more foregoing what I want and need. I'm not looking for some idylic life, I'm just wanting some inner peace, total inner peace, not compromised. Now i feel guilty for even saying all that, for even thinking of leaving should he start being nice again! i try so hard not to do guilt! Baffy talk some sense into me please!

Dior · 13/03/2008 21:03

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TimeForMe · 13/03/2008 21:22

Thank you Dior. I will do my best to be at the next meet up. I would love to have been able to have a good chin wag too, my head is full of stuff! It's driving me mad.
On a more positve note I have uploaded my CV onto an online job site, or whatever they are called getting tired now, can you tell and I've done a search of a few job sites but haven't come across anything. I will keep at it though. Your job sounds perfect. If only something like that would pop up for me, it would be great. The thought of not being there for DD does play on my conscience very much.

As for all the other stuff, I do feel surprisingly strong. I hope it lasts long enough to see me through everything. I might not feel quite so strong once DP starts being charming again Gosh, I'm so blooming fickle xx

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