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Fair for him to oppose paying for dc in this context? (Please be kind)

552 replies

biwncs · 28/12/2022 14:19

before I start I want to say I’ve NC as I am embarrassed by this and I know I do NOT smell of roses here. Please don’t post if it’s just to sling mud at me, i know I haven’t been perfect by a long way.

when I was 37 I panicked about wanting dc and my partner at the time was 40. He had pushed it back a year already but in fairness to him we hadn’t been together long, only two years. He would often make comments about wanting dc and where we would take them, what schools theyd go to etc. I came off the pill and didn’t say and although we also used condoms (we always have, we prefer it), I became pregnant. He was conflicted at the start but after a couple of weeks said it was up to me and he would support me either way. I asked if he wanted a termination a few times and he said no. So we carried on. Half way through the pregnancy I felt I had to tell him I had come off the pill. It was a horrible conversation understandably but we moved past it. A year or so later we broke up, since then my ex has refused to pay a penny and hasn’t spent any time with dc. He has no other kids and as far as I know not with anyone else. He tells me he shouldn’t have to pay as I made him have a dc. I now feel so conflicted about maintenance? I feel he was giving me all the signs he wanted us to have dc and I did openly discuss termination and he said no. But ultimately he’s right I came off the pill and didn’t say. I am so confused/sad as to what to do and what’s right. He doesn’t seem interested in dc either and i feel that’s on me, though I never ever had him down as someone who would abandon his child. I just don’t know what to do and feel he has a point regarding finance.

OP posts:
5128gap · 29/12/2022 13:08

FrippEnos · 29/12/2022 12:27

Go to know that you have read and kept track of every thread on MN.
But you do you.

No, just know it's a safe bet that when someone comes out with something so unlikely without a link they're talking nonsense.

FrippEnos · 29/12/2022 13:15

5128gap · 29/12/2022 13:08

No, just know it's a safe bet that when someone comes out with something so unlikely without a link they're talking nonsense.

You do you.

5128gap · 29/12/2022 17:18

FrippEnos · 29/12/2022 13:15

You do you.

Well I'd have preferred a 'yes, you're right, I did get a bit over excited at being on a thread with the opportunity to criticise a woman and started making things up' but in the absence of that, I'll accept your lack of intelligent rebuttal to mean much the same.

FrippEnos · 29/12/2022 18:48

Oh dear a random on the internet is mad at me.

Not worth the effort of further responses.

Violasmiola · 31/12/2022 14:15

Op, I don't think what you did was 'despicable, abhorrent' etc etc
He gave you every indication he wanted babies, he was a man in his 40s, having sexual intercourse with a woman of childbearing age.
Ofc you wanted to 'speed things along'- you found a man you identified as a suitable father and followed your instinct, you're not the first and you certainly won't be the last.

My sympathies that you chose wrong in this case- because he's a pitiful, wimp of a man that won't take responsibility for his offspring and if he was my son/brother I'd be ashamed of him
Everyone on here crying rape! are moronic

LaLuz7 · 31/12/2022 15:03

@Violasmiola a man who uses condoms on top of his partner being on the pill is not "giving every indication that he wants babies". Quite the opposite. This is man who is determined not to get her pregnant.

Stop minimising and excusing reproductive coercion.

Lally12 · 31/12/2022 15:28

Violasmiola · 31/12/2022 14:15

Op, I don't think what you did was 'despicable, abhorrent' etc etc
He gave you every indication he wanted babies, he was a man in his 40s, having sexual intercourse with a woman of childbearing age.
Ofc you wanted to 'speed things along'- you found a man you identified as a suitable father and followed your instinct, you're not the first and you certainly won't be the last.

My sympathies that you chose wrong in this case- because he's a pitiful, wimp of a man that won't take responsibility for his offspring and if he was my son/brother I'd be ashamed of him
Everyone on here crying rape! are moronic

Wow.

And if a man lies and tells a woman he's had the snip when he hasn't, I assume that's okay too?

DivorcedAndDelighted · 31/12/2022 15:43

biwncs · 28/12/2022 14:30

@WeWereInParis the fact is had I been on the pill it would not have happened really would it. And then I go full circle I think he’s right and has a point.

But HOW did you get pregnant? He can't have been using condoms properly or you would not have conceived, as sperm can't get through rubber. So presumably you were having sex without condoms sometimes? A small percentage of men produce sperm in pre-ejaculate, so only putting the condom on for ejaculation isn't reliable. Therefore he is also responsible for the contraception failure. Unless you secretly collected up some gunk and went the turkey baster route, which would be extreme!

IneedanewTV · 31/12/2022 15:45

DivorcedAndDelighted · 31/12/2022 15:43

But HOW did you get pregnant? He can't have been using condoms properly or you would not have conceived, as sperm can't get through rubber. So presumably you were having sex without condoms sometimes? A small percentage of men produce sperm in pre-ejaculate, so only putting the condom on for ejaculation isn't reliable. Therefore he is also responsible for the contraception failure. Unless you secretly collected up some gunk and went the turkey baster route, which would be extreme!

The OP has consistently failed to answer that question. There is also the possibility that she tampered with the condoms.

CountZacular · 31/12/2022 15:53

IneedanewTV · 31/12/2022 15:45

The OP has consistently failed to answer that question. There is also the possibility that she tampered with the condoms.

The OP made this up is obviously busy.

Violasmiola · 31/12/2022 17:12

Lally12- I don't think lying about a vasectomy is comparable.

Lally12 · 31/12/2022 17:58

Violasmiola · 31/12/2022 17:12

Lally12- I don't think lying about a vasectomy is comparable.

But a woman lying about her contraception is a-okay?

Pumperthepumper · 31/12/2022 19:09

Lally12 · 31/12/2022 15:28

Wow.

And if a man lies and tells a woman he's had the snip when he hasn't, I assume that's okay too?

A man lying about vasectomies means he’s impregnating someone else’s body. That’s why it’s not comparable.

LaLuz7 · 31/12/2022 21:40

Pumperthepumper · 31/12/2022 19:09

A man lying about vasectomies means he’s impregnating someone else’s body. That’s why it’s not comparable.

It is comparable. The end.

Pumperthepumper · 31/12/2022 21:43

LaLuz7 · 31/12/2022 21:40

It is comparable. The end.

No, it isn’t. It’s biologically totally different.

Leooooo · 31/12/2022 21:52

Pumperthepumper · 31/12/2022 21:43

No, it isn’t. It’s biologically totally different.

We can agree that lying about your contraception to the person you're having sex with is bad though right?

Pumperthepumper · 31/12/2022 21:53

Leooooo · 31/12/2022 21:52

We can agree that lying about your contraception to the person you're having sex with is bad though right?

Absolutely we can.

Leooooo · 31/12/2022 21:54

Pumperthepumper · 31/12/2022 21:53

Absolutely we can.

Great, glad we sorted that out.

Pumperthepumper · 31/12/2022 21:55

Leooooo · 31/12/2022 21:54

Great, glad we sorted that out.

That wasn’t the issue in question though. It’s that a man lying about contraception isn’t the same as a woman lying about contraception.

Leooooo · 31/12/2022 21:57

Pumperthepumper · 31/12/2022 21:55

That wasn’t the issue in question though. It’s that a man lying about contraception isn’t the same as a woman lying about contraception.

But ultimately that's irrelevant to OPs post. Either party lying about contraception is wrong. OP has put both herself and her partner in a difficult situation that's effects are impacting the child.

This would also be the same if her partner had lied about his contraception.

Pumperthepumper · 31/12/2022 21:59

Leooooo · 31/12/2022 21:57

But ultimately that's irrelevant to OPs post. Either party lying about contraception is wrong. OP has put both herself and her partner in a difficult situation that's effects are impacting the child.

This would also be the same if her partner had lied about his contraception.

It is irrelevant. But people keep coming on here and talking about men lying about contraception being exactly the same thing. And it’s not. A man lying about contraception is him deciding what happens to someone else’s body against their consent.

BadNomad · 31/12/2022 22:03

Well, it should be a criminal offence to create a child through deception.

Pumperthepumper · 31/12/2022 22:05

BadNomad · 31/12/2022 22:03

Well, it should be a criminal offence to create a child through deception.

How would you police that though? Considering every penis-in-vagina sexual experience carries a risk of pregnancy?

BadNomad · 31/12/2022 22:08

A man lying about contraception is him deciding what happens to someone else’s body against their consent.

People aren't talking about what happens to someone's body. They're talking about how a child is being created through deception. The sex of the person committing the deception is not important.

Pumperthepumper · 31/12/2022 22:09

BadNomad · 31/12/2022 22:08

A man lying about contraception is him deciding what happens to someone else’s body against their consent.

People aren't talking about what happens to someone's body. They're talking about how a child is being created through deception. The sex of the person committing the deception is not important.

It is though, because only one of them has to deal with the pregnancy/abortion/birth/hormones.