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I did something completely idiotic on Christmas and I feel horrible

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Alracalpaca · 27/12/2022 15:07

I have posted here before and gotten some really wise insight, feedback and objective opinions from many of you, so I am turning here again. I have been married for 7 years to a man I love with all my heart. We moved to a different country a few years ago and since them we have built a small but close expat friendship group. One of my closest friends (we will call her Linda) and I have bonded due to our very similar personalities and also supporting each other through periods of depression and other mental health issues. About 2 and a half years ago I started noticing that my husband expressed an interest in Sam's comings and goings and whether she would be joining group gatherings etc. Way more than he ever has for any other friend. Offering to go pick her up or drop her off when she visited etc. Just nice small gestures, but things he wouldn't usually do. I also saw a shift in body language when he was around her. He looked at her... the way he used to look at me. Sam is beautiful, interesting, talented and does cool stuff like play video games and play drums. Obviously she's like a walking male fantasy. So that hurt, but I know attraction is a normal thing and it happens. So when my husband again kept asking about her I confronted him about it. He weakly denied it. Then I told him to please stop lying to me and that I understand attraction is normal but that if you don't indulge it, it should pass. So he then stopped denying it. He never expressly admitted it. But anyway. Another friend of ours (who I did not discuss this with) told Sam that she had a dream that Sam slept with my husband and that she was so upset about it because it hurt me. Now, it could be nothing, but knowing this friend, she communicates in very indirect ways and I think she picked up on something and was warning Sam indirectly. I made a point of spending time with Sam mostly alone. Sometimes we would spend time in a group but I assumed he was focusing on his marriage and letting this little crush pass. Then Christmas rolled around. All our friends were coming to ours for lunch. She had been travelling the days prior, so when I mentioned she was coming he said "Sam's coming?" and his eyes lit up. I felt a pang. My stomach dropped a bit. But I let it go. On the day he was snapping at me for every small irritation. Sam would go stand outside and smoke and he would be right behind her following her outside. When he noticed that I was sad and withdrawing he finally started to be affectionate after snapping the whole day. But the damage was kind of done. I had been drinking excessively and was not thinking straight. Sam also noticed I was not okay. My husband and I were cleaning up and I was planning on going to bed because I knew I was drunk and upset and I didn't want to fight when I was in that state. I accidentally picked up his phone instead of mine (we have the same phone models and standard black cases) and I saw there was a text from her. I couldn't see what it said. I gave him his phone and walked away. I went to lie in bed and I was crying uncontrollably. She then texted me and asked me "how do you feel" and I said "about what?" she then said "just checking in" and I responded "meh." She said she knew something was up and could I please tell her. After a bit of back and forth I STUPIDLY I KNOW I KNOW told her the whole story. Immediately she said she wants to die and she never intended for anything to be misinterpreted etc etc and that she needs to remember she's not back home in her home country and she can't behave the same way here. And that I'm her closest friend and she doesn't want to lose that. She kind of made it 100% about her which was a bit jarring but I totally understand she was caught off guard. She then sent me screenshots of the text she sent. It was a thank you for hosting with a heart emoji. He responded "always a pleasure" with a little blush smile emoji. The text above it was a thank you for a happy birthday text he sent her. With two heart emojis. But that is how she texts with other people too so I don't think she meant anything by that. Anyway the next morning I wake up to a very long text from her where she said that she opened up to me and trusted me and felt welcome in my home. And why did I not tell her this earlier, why did I wait until she was feeling most vulnerable to tell her this. And that she can't see us getting past this. I was really taken aback because she's acting like I maliciously plotted to hurt her and accused her of hitting on my husband when I expressly and repeatedly said I am not angry with her and I don't think she did anything wrong. I know I put her in a horrible position by telling her. I know that. And I apologized profusely for that and I know that was wrong and selfish and horrible of me. But I didn't do it maliciously. I was hurt and vulnerable and drunk and I stupidly cracked. I confronted my husband and he told me that he doesn't want to be with her. And that he is sorry for how he behaved. I told him he needs to decide whether he wants to explore other options, in which case he needs to leave, or whether he's going to focus on his marriage. He chose the latter. He keeps saying he never had a crush on her and he doesn't know how to convince me of that. I don't know what to believe. But regardless, now my friendship is ruined and I am an idiot. I just really didn't realize how hurt and angry she would be by me being honest. Anyway... how would you approach this situation going forward?

OP posts:
Mix56 · 27/12/2022 15:43

they are both guilty, she is gaslighting you, he is a lying Dick

Mumofnarnia · 27/12/2022 15:46

Did she also send you a thank you text? If not why only your husband? It seems she may not be as innocent as she is claiming to be. I certainly wouldn’t be sending a married man heart emojis on the end of texts even if I was like that with other people.
Also, I’d say your husband is mostly to blame as it seems he has created this situation in the first place but if Sam is aware that he fancies her then she should not be encouraging him by sending him texts with heart emojis!

Climbles · 27/12/2022 15:49

Secretly texting each other when you are all together is a weird thing to do and would make me suspicious. At the least there has been some inappropriateness and flirting.

DysonSpheres · 27/12/2022 15:51

Drop the friend. Women know when men find them attractive. Not buying she never picked up on anything. And her reaction is not to reassure you but take offence.

My father serially cheated and as a result I never, ever flirt with other women's husbands. I don't open the door even a crack for the possibility to happen. There is a guy I bond intellectually with, I met at university, and I dropped him as a friend, as he started expressing small niggles about his wife and marriage. I didn't even discuss it. Just never rang him again.

I would never ever text another woman's husband after a nice evening. Always text the wife with 'Thank you and please also convey my thanks to xx' or 'Thank you both'.

She's been enjoying the attention guaranteed. But your husband... it's fine to find another woman attractive, you can't help what you find attractive to a certain degree, but it seems he crossed the line. Perhaps familiarity has bred some discontent.

No wonder you feel hurt. Chalk it up to unpleasant experience l.

Alracalpaca · 27/12/2022 15:52

So I need to clarify some stuff: she texted after everyone had left, she texted me separately at the same time saying thanks too. I never ever had a go at her or blamed her for any of it, it's just her extreme reaction to me being honest that has really caught me off guard. She was the one who told me about our other friend (let's call her Pamela) and her dream about Sam and my husband. She has also said that she knows Pamela thinks her (Sam's) behaviour towards Pamela's husband is overly flirtatious but thinks she is insecure and overreacting. I personally haven't seen anything that I interpreted as flirty, otherwise she would not still have been my friend. And my husband is truly not a letch. He has never given me a single reason to doubt his loyalty. His behaviour is very subtle, so much so that I am going back and forth about whether I misinterpreted the whole thing.

OP posts:
LaLuz7 · 27/12/2022 15:57

Climbles · 27/12/2022 15:49

Secretly texting each other when you are all together is a weird thing to do and would make me suspicious. At the least there has been some inappropriateness and flirting.

This. You are absolutely right to be suspicious.

Trust your gut and do more digging.

DysonSpheres · 27/12/2022 16:01

She was the one who told me about our other friend (let's call her Pamela) and her dream about Sam and my husband. She has also said that she knows Pamela thinks her (Sam's) behaviour towards Pamela's husband is overly flirtatious but thinks she is insecure and overreacting.

Yeah. Definitely drop her.

Mumofnarnia · 27/12/2022 16:01

Alracalpaca · 27/12/2022 15:52

So I need to clarify some stuff: she texted after everyone had left, she texted me separately at the same time saying thanks too. I never ever had a go at her or blamed her for any of it, it's just her extreme reaction to me being honest that has really caught me off guard. She was the one who told me about our other friend (let's call her Pamela) and her dream about Sam and my husband. She has also said that she knows Pamela thinks her (Sam's) behaviour towards Pamela's husband is overly flirtatious but thinks she is insecure and overreacting. I personally haven't seen anything that I interpreted as flirty, otherwise she would not still have been my friend. And my husband is truly not a letch. He has never given me a single reason to doubt his loyalty. His behaviour is very subtle, so much so that I am going back and forth about whether I misinterpreted the whole thing.

So Sam was the one to tell you that the other friend had a dream about her sleeping with your husband? I find it odd that Sam would tell you something like that! If someone told me they had a dream about me sleeping with my friends husband then I would not go to that friend and say to them “oh by the way Deborah said she had a dream about me sleeping with your husband”! That is just odd! What was she expecting to gain from doing so? It seems to me she was possibly trying to upset you/ stir up trouble and happily watch your reaction!
At least it’s doesn’t seem half as bad now that you have said she text both you and your husband to say thank you, however, I’m sure she will be completely aware that your husband finds her attractive and if I was in her shoes I would not be texting your husband to further encourage him, I would have just sent a simple thank you message to you instead. It’s highly likely that there is nothing going on but it’s possible they are both flirting with each other which could then lead to something more.

ShandaLear · 27/12/2022 16:02

I don’t understand why she didn’t text both of you to thank you for hosting. Why just him? And the big long defensive email essentially blaming you for everything sounds like an attempt to get you back in your box.

CambsAlways · 27/12/2022 16:04

You have a DH prob and a friend problem op

IToldYouAmillionTimesAlready · 27/12/2022 16:05

It all sounds very juvenile. Just don't associate with the woman any more, if you're so insecure.

Reindeersnooker · 27/12/2022 16:06

I wouldn't try to continue a friendship with Sam. It's got too complicated and I don't know that she sounds worth it. No one has really done anything wrong but Sam sounds self absorbed and you have a marriage that needs attention from both of you. There will be other friends.

Wanderingoff · 27/12/2022 16:07

Are you late 20s/30s?

both your dh and your friend are dickheads.

shes no loss

give him a chance given your married - but he may or may not mature out of it

yiu are all relatively immature- the question is how you all grow

GreenFingersWouldBeHandy · 27/12/2022 16:07

So how is your husband's shitty behaviour your fault?

He is the main one at fault her. And Sam/Linda.

I'd tell both of them to F off and come home for a bit to clear your head.

StickyCricket · 27/12/2022 16:08

She was the one who told me about our other friend (let's call her Pamela) and her dream about Sam and my husband. She has also said that she knows Pamela thinks her (Sam's) behaviour towards Pamela's husband is overly flirtatious but thinks she is insecure and overreacting.

I knew it. I couldn’t and wouldn’t even repeat that story to a friend. She was loving telling you about it. Ask yourself why she would even tell you this? And now it turns she’s displaying the same behaviour with Pamela’s husband.

What did Sam mean by this? > she said she needs to remember she's not back home in her home country and she can't behave the same way here

Honestly OP your judgement is completely off.

Sam is not a good friend, she knows exactly what she’s doing, and your husband is a letch who has been loving acting the knight in shining armour offering Sam a lift and all these ”other nice gestures… things he wouldn’t normally do” < your own words.

GreenFingersWouldBeHandy · 27/12/2022 16:09

His behaviour is very subtle, so much so that I am going back and forth about whether I misinterpreted the whole thing.

Er.... he's very clever and gaslighting you. There is something going on here.

KettrickenSmiled · 27/12/2022 16:10

Immediately she said she wants to die and she never intended for anything to be misinterpreted etc etc and that she needs to remember she's not back home in her home country and she can't behave the same way here.

Well this whole passage screams guilt. She cannot seriously be asking you to believe is that all she's done is inappropriately text only the husband half of her wife&husband friends, as if she wasn't meant to be best pals with the wife ...

Her texting & flirting with your husband is a pattern, & that of course is what she's alluding to with her "I can't carry on like I did in my home country" bullshit.
Like what? Texting an opposite-sex mate? Nope. In ANY country, flirting with somebody else's husband to the point of wife-excluding lovie-dovie little texts is a no-no. Everybody knows that. She's bullshitting you.

She's not your friend.
You felt that yourself, when she made your upset at being snapped at all day by your husband, & how that made you question their flirtation 'friendship all about her. She's a gameplayer, an attention-seeker & a manipulator. Dial down her drama by going low contact with her.

Also - why are you blaming yourself? Don't let them collude in gaslighting you. They might not have shagged each other yet, but they are playing with fire & you got burned. Your H needs to disassociate himself from her if he values you & your marriage. She's sneaky, & bad news.

PeekAtYou · 27/12/2022 16:10

Something about her reaction isn't right here. I think it would be more common to meet you when your h wasn't there and to avoid talking about your h.
I suspect that she knew about his crush and got an ego boost from it.

CorrodedCoffin · 27/12/2022 16:12

I kind of get her reaction. It might seem a bit extreme to go from desperate to hang on to your friendship to “it can’t be salvaged”, but bear in mind you were both drunk and emotional when you were offloading on her. In that state most people will be gushing how much they love each other. In the cold light of day, things may have looked a little different. She thought you had a solid friendship built on trust and I guess from her perspective, if you really didn’t think she was encouraging your husbands “behaviour” you probably wouldn’t have said anything - whether you intended it or not, it reads like you don’t fully trust her. Not to mention she considers your husband a friend too, and he is a massive part of your life - how is she supposed to comfortably fit back into it without feeling awkward and guilty around you both?

Not saying you were wrong to open up to her, but definitely could have been under better circumstances, and I don’t think her reaction necessarily means something was going on - especially after you clarified that there was no secret texting or anything like that.

5128gap · 27/12/2022 16:13

I don't think you and your husband as a couple are resilient enough to have a woman like Sam in your lives.
She can't help being beautiful and having the personality she does, and its hardly surprising that its going to catch the attention of men. Whether shes unaware of it, or enjoying it is irrelevant really. Men will be attracted to her regardless, its how they allow that to manifest is what matters.
Unfortunately your husband has not proved himself strong enough to rein that in and has allowed himself to indulge in a school boy crush rather than control himself around a desirable woman like an adult should.
You don't have sufficient trust and confidence in either of them to be relaxed about it (and I don't blame you after his behaviour) and it's all spilled out.
If your friendship is ruined, it may well be better for your marriage. But if you do salvage it, I'd see Sam without your husband around in future. And keep your fingers crossed he won't make a habit of having his head turned by every attractive woman he meets.

Tittyfilarious81 · 27/12/2022 16:15

She's not a friend, she enjoyed the attention she was getting from your husband and your husband should not be behaving this way with another woman they are both as bad as each other

WeepingSomnambulist · 27/12/2022 16:16

@KettrickenSmiled

She sent them both a thank you text. Not just the husband.

The OP literally hasnt said anything this woman has done wrong.

This is sketchy man's behaviour being blamed on the woman, who hasnt acted in any way out of line with him.

WeepingSomnambulist · 27/12/2022 16:17

Tittyfilarious81 · 27/12/2022 16:15

She's not a friend, she enjoyed the attention she was getting from your husband and your husband should not be behaving this way with another woman they are both as bad as each other

How did she enjoy it? Could you post all the evidence for that assumption and character assassination?

SomethingOriginal2 · 27/12/2022 16:17

Her reaction screams guilt, she's been enjoying the attention and thrill. Now she's going on the offensive to make you the bad guy. You didn't do anything wrong.

PeekAtYou · 27/12/2022 16:19

The bit I don't get it why you would offer your h a chance to stay. He's openly disrespected you and cost you an important friendship. Nobody needs a spouse like this.