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I invited a friend to stay at my ex's house for Christmas, but my ex doesn't know; what should I do?

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Frictionless · 16/12/2022 22:06

I am a divorced man. I am single, and live in the Philippines. Last Christmas I had a girlfriend, this year I am 'all alone'. I do however have a 'close friend', whom I first met in May and we live a couple of hours' flight apart. Said friend has had plans to visit the UK over Christmas/New Year since before I knew her.

About a month ago my ex-wife (also from the Philippines) told me that she had received a court order to leave our former marital home (4 bedroom, rented) by the middle of January. Bearing in mind she had been first told to leave in May but had not found anywhere to stay, possibly due to being on Universal Credit (as well as working full time), I said 'well why don't I come and help you find somewhere' and stay there over Christmas, which made sense also as I can see my parents and son, whom I haven't seen since the beginning of 2020 (my daughter came to stay over summer in 2021 and 2022 for two months each time). She said 'I'll ask my boyfriend if that's ok', and she came back and said 'it is'.

So I booked return flights to the UK from the beginning of December returning in the middle of January and have been here for 2 weeks now. I have found a place for her to stay, although it is not clear if we will be accepted (I have offered to pay six months rent in advance and provide a guarantor), we will hear on Monday.

My friend is a workaholic and it's not particularly suitable for me to visit her where she lives in that she lives in a house-share mid week and with her parents on the weekend, so if I took a flight to see her for no reason she wouldn't have a lot of time to see me. So she is coming to the UK for a holiday.

I said to her 'the weather is shit in the UK, why don't we go to Morocco together', and we are doing that for 10 days over New Year. That is settled and not an issue, though my daughter did complain initially - why was I not spending the time with her - in fact it should not be an issue in that my son will be back from uni and therefore my ex is relatively free to do what she wants with her boyfriend and then I have checked my flights back to Asia, and I can change them free of charge, so I will end up staying longer (if my ex wants me to!) until she has a new place to stay.

I said to my friend 'you can come and stay with me over Christmas'. Which is a bit awkward in that I haven't asked my ex about this, so:

  • my ex is quite tired from work etc. but today finished for the year, and is going to stay with her boyfriend tomorrow till Monday. On Monday HOPEFULLY she will be able to sign a contract for a house, but that's far from clear.
  • I haven't mentioned to my ex about my friend coming to stay AT ALL, but I mentioned about my parents coming over for Christmas and she said 'no, I don't want that while I don't know where I'm going to stay next year' and then she said 'why don't they invite you over?'

I could suggest to my parents that we go over there - they are 100% aware of the situation with my 'close friend', but they are somewhat aged (71) and it's not really clear whether they want Christmas guests, or less still if for example I said nothing till next Tuesday before saying 'uh, would it be ok if I stayed at your place from the 24th to the 27th with my friend & children'. There is another issue with the children, in that our son (20, at university) is autistic and tends to be a bit upset about things which he perceives to be other than as they should be (he likes having people to talk to, so I'm sure there wouldn't be an issue with having an extra Christmas guest), i.e. he previously said 'oh I'm not sure about coming home for Christmas because I spent 15 Christmases in that house and this will be the last one', but he has come to terms with that so to say 'actually we are not going do Christmas here' might not be ideal. So I have offered to pick him up from uni next Wednesday, which he was pleased about because he had some previous issues where he had some mental health problems and asked my ex to pick him up and she was unable to do so and he ended up asking a friend to do so....

So in that sense I could ask my parents 'can I, children + friend come and stay', but I am sure my children would be happiest spending Christmas with both parents at the same address (my parents live 45 minutes away, so it's not TOO far, but it's not the same thing really), and if I said 'we can all go stay there for the 24th till 27th', then I'm sure my children would also want to see their mother.

Our daughter is 15 and met my friend a couple of times over the summer, and my friend was nice to my daughter, buying her a gift, buying and decorating her room for her birthday and taking her to get her hair done. However, I mentioned to her about my friend staying over Christmas and she said 'no, she's annoying', or words to that effect. I discussed it with her first, because I thought that my ex would ask her. I think there's a bit of an issue in that my ex is working class and down-to-earth and this other woman earns much more, has two degrees, has a large disposable income and spends lots of money on her appearance, and is somewhat prim (she has a bit of a thing about Jane Austen etc.), and my daughter said 'mummy is prettier than her'. My daughter asked me earlier 'when are you going to see her?' 'I said 'we are going to the ballet on the 23rd', and my daughter said 'that's quite close to Christmas'

I suppose I should have thought a bit harder before inviting her to stay, but I didn't think it through very carefully.

WWYD?

P.S. I'm not really sure to what extent my friend is really cognizant of the mechanics of this, she as asked me about Christmas gifts for my parents and children but although she knows I am 'helping my ex find a new place to stay', I don't think she's necessarily thought 'oh yes, I am going to spend 4 days with my friend's ex-wife over Christmas'.

OP posts:
FrictionlessToo · 29/12/2022 11:06

> Are you one of them?

Well only insomuch as I don't live in Europe.

> Or are you different?

I doubt it to be honest.

Regularsizedrudy · 29/12/2022 11:21

…you don’t live in Europe?

I think you should hire an editor

GriddleScone · 29/12/2022 11:25

Jane Austin-type relationships were largely transactional and if your friend is using them as a model, she is coming to the UK to check out the size of your 'fortune'. A wise move before she gives up the goods.

Are you happy with this? Will it end well if you can't keep up your end of the deal?

liveforsummer · 29/12/2022 11:43

Wow that's a bit of a story. Sorry I couldn't finish it - maybe edit before the final draft of the novel 😆. Sounds like you live in an entirely different world to the rest of us if this is true so you're unlikely to get much helpful advice here

FrictionlessToo · 29/12/2022 12:50

> …you don’t live in Europe?

First line of the OP

> Jane Austin-type relationships were largely transactional and if your friend is using them as a model, she is coming to the UK to check out the size of your 'fortune'.

Austen, and she's not here for that reason, she booked the flights here before she knew me (apparently she double booked a different flight and had a 'free change', but couldn't refund, so ended up in the UK over Christmas).

Henry owns a flat in Madrid and one in London. She disapproves of Henry's flat in Madrid (the one in London was inherited) as he paid cash, whereas she is of the opinion that appreciating assets (though I'm not sure if property in Spain is in this category) should be bought with debt.

She also told him he should have a share portfolio and apparently he showed no interest in this, which she was disappointed in. She then conceded that her hand-picked selection of shares were down by 27%.

It is more complicated than just the 'fortune', she has a good job, education and career and she expects a man to have the same, however there is a bit of a disconnect here, in that she seems to enjoy 'mentoring' people (ineffectual men, her siblings), instead of just finding a 'complete package' in the first place.

It is apparent that her mother is very domineering whereas she disapprovingly explained that her father wakes up at 10-11am instead of the appropriate hour for a man to lead the family (6am). So I suspect there is something going on with that....

> . Sounds like you live in an entirely different world to the rest of us if this is true so you're unlikely to get much helpful advice here

Yes indeed. Not really looking for advice any more, just thought it might amuse someone....

FloydPepper · 29/12/2022 12:59

Amelia sounds vile
you’re definitely one of her collection of saps
you come across like a knob
i don’t care enough about any of the other characters to have an opinion other than you’re an embarrassment as a father.

FrictionlessToo · 29/12/2022 22:53

TBH Amelia is generally very nice and considerate but I feel she has unhealthy attitudes towards men and relationships with them.

Basically she believes in 'no sex before marriage', but it has become apparent that this does not preclude kissing sessions and some forms of touching, which I wasn't really expecting tbh.

Ok, whatever, but I feel that it's weird for her to have met me and be all huggy and touchy and then, I believe, run off to see Henry for a couple of days and do the same [I say this because she posted an IG story of them walking home together holding hands, so this seems like a reasonable assumption], before coming back to me again, and then she plans to see him again.

I think she feels:

  • she's not 'in a relationship', and utters no words that would indicate that
  • this is 'not sex', so it's all fine.

She also has previously claimed to have no future with Henry, etc., etc., but it's apparent that she sends him gifts, is physically affectionate, and it's all rather strange.

EthicalNonMahogany · 04/01/2023 03:54

The main thing for you OP is why are you fascinated with Amelia & other deeply dysfunctional people? When you could be working on yourself and the real emotional connections which will nourish you as you head into the later parts of your life.

Agapornis · 04/01/2023 21:25

You're a clown and clearly loving the drama.

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