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DH just blindsided me - I think it’s over….

402 replies

46andstartingover · 01/12/2022 01:31

46 and been married for 10 years. He’s 63 so there is an age gap but it’s never been an issue. No kids. He’s been married twice before and has kids from previous marriage.

in general we never argue. He is a control freak with ocd levels of cleanliness. I’m the opposite but we’ve always muddled along.

Four years ago we had a major fall out. He was feeling ignored because I knit as a hobby. He didn’t like the fact that if we were watching tv I was knitting. We had a major bust up and a lot of things came out in the wash but we worked on it and we’re ok.

Earlier this year we had another major bust up because if gone away for the weekend with my best mate and came home pissed. He’d said he didn’t mind if I got a bit pissed but he flipped when I got home. A lot of other stuff came out in the wash. Despite nearly splitting up then we were ok after it. I cut down my drinking which had been an issue and tried to do more around the house.

one issue is he’s retired. And I work permanently from home. I don’t see why I should have to do general housework when he’s sitting watching tv all day or generally pottering around.

one thing that has always been a hit mismatched was our sex drives. He’s always been ip
for it more than me, and he’s into more kinky stuff than me. Nothing out there just anal, and nipple
clamps. I’m up for that if im
slightly tipsy but not otherwise. The cutting down the alcohol reduces the amount of kink we did.

A couple of weeks ago I made a joke about getting me drunk if he wanted his wicked way with me. He took that to mean I didn’t want to have sex with him unless I was drunk. Totally got the wrong end of the stick and we sorted it.

tonight, we came to bed and we were ok. He said to me “there’s goes my chance for a blow job” when the adverts finished on what we were watching. I said jokingly “there’s be another one” but in the mean time I ended up in the bathroom changing my San pro again as I’m bleeding like a stick pig and feel shot. I got back into bed and lay down on my side which faces away from him.

I did. Think he was half joking since he knew I was feeling shit. End result he felt rejected. Told me he never wants to touch me again, to cancel our weekend away for our anniversary next month and suggested a divorce because he hates me right now.

im tired being the bad guy and the one always walking on egg shells in case we end ip
rowing over something stupid.

he’s now in the spare room.

I do t want to split up but he keeps saying you only want things on your terms…… well yes because that’s know sex works - both have to be up for it.

The only issue I have is that I have to
Ask if I can knit or have a drink. That’s not normal is it? Having to get permission to knit in my own home.

I’ve realized I’m 46, I have two friends in the world and I’m about to lose one of them. Only child so no family apart from an elderly mother.

How the hell do I start again!

OP posts:
Heavyraindropsarefallingonmyhead · 01/12/2022 14:40

Rosscameasdoody · 01/12/2022 14:15

The lack of understanding of a possible MH condition, and the unwillingness to even consider it, is appalling. The OP has said she loves him and doesn’t want to lose him. I am not minimising or dismissing, or ‘sneering’ at anything the OP is going through. I simply read her post, and tried to address it from a different point of view. Should have known better, and should have known it would trigger a pile on. I’m out.

The lack of understanding of the impact of being corced into sexual acts on the Ops metal health, and the unwillingness ro even consider it is appalling. The OP has expressed views in line with the majority of abused women. We are not minimising, dismissing or sneering at the abuse she is enduring. We are simply reading her posts and addressing them from the point of view of what's safe for her. We should have known better and known there would be a DV apologiser along to tell the OP to ty harder to fix the issue. It's probably best for all that you are out.

GinUnicorn · 01/12/2022 14:53

I think I remember a previous thread of yours. This man really doesn’t deserve you and you can do better.

I know it’s scary to make a change but you shouldn’t be having to ask permission to drink or knot. This is such controlling behaviour.

Geville · 01/12/2022 14:55

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Cherrysoup · 01/12/2022 14:58

thebabessavedme · 01/12/2022 11:20

So OP, I'm going to put your life in a nutshell, you are going to stay with a fat old perv who wont let you knit, who no body likes, not even his own children, calls you a fat ugly dirty whore but then likes you to wander about in your underwear while having a sex toy stuffed up your arse while also earning a very good wage for him to live on and then demands a rugby halftime blowjob?

You crack on mate, me, I would rather live in a holey tent on the frozen plains of outer mongolia.

ffs, woman!

Beautifully put, quite frankly.

He's totally controlling, not allowed a drink without asking, for real?! Who died and put him in charge??

KettrickenSmiled · 01/12/2022 15:00

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That's really unfair @Geville

It takes an average of 7 attempts for women to leave coercive relationships.
If OP, or anyone in a similar predicament, rocks up here in 4 years time I'd be pleased she was reaching out again.

Geville · 01/12/2022 15:02

KettrickenSmiled · 01/12/2022 15:00

That's really unfair @Geville

It takes an average of 7 attempts for women to leave coercive relationships.
If OP, or anyone in a similar predicament, rocks up here in 4 years time I'd be pleased she was reaching out again.

I'm testing her. I'm trying to get her to forward project into the future.

I don't want her to be unhappy still in 4 years time.

I was with a shitty man I thought I was in love with. Turns out he was an abuser just like her and I told myself all sorts of lies.

I got away from him eventually with the help of therapy. But I made ALL THE EXCUSES, along the way, even though I felt crap inside.

I just want her to know that she doesn't need to do this for another 4 years. She can start to break away, today.

ShirleyKnott · 01/12/2022 15:05

Are you poor thing, this sounds really grim for you and you don’t sound happy.

If you’ve got no commitment with him and financial freedom I would really considering if your life could get worse because I’m sure I could get a lot better

ShirleyKnott · 01/12/2022 15:07

I’m sorry @Geville but I’ve had to report your post for being the most unsympathetic one to somebody in a coercive relationship that I’ve ever seen

ReneBumsWombats · 01/12/2022 15:10

Geville · 01/12/2022 15:02

I'm testing her. I'm trying to get her to forward project into the future.

I don't want her to be unhappy still in 4 years time.

I was with a shitty man I thought I was in love with. Turns out he was an abuser just like her and I told myself all sorts of lies.

I got away from him eventually with the help of therapy. But I made ALL THE EXCUSES, along the way, even though I felt crap inside.

I just want her to know that she doesn't need to do this for another 4 years. She can start to break away, today.

I'm testing her.

Who do you think you are?

Geville · 01/12/2022 15:11

I want her to be strong. That's all.

frozendaisy · 01/12/2022 15:16

He sounds like a controlling sleeve.

Let him go be free at 62, fat and lazy go find himself a hot sex slave who will work and walk around in a fucking butt plug and doesn't knit (most importantly), buy some popcorn and watch from a different pub table.

At least he is giving you plenty of opportunities to divorce, you will get your friends back. They will join you at the pub popcorn table guaranteed.

God he sounds awful.

KettrickenSmiled · 01/12/2022 15:21

Geville · 01/12/2022 15:02

I'm testing her. I'm trying to get her to forward project into the future.

I don't want her to be unhappy still in 4 years time.

I was with a shitty man I thought I was in love with. Turns out he was an abuser just like her and I told myself all sorts of lies.

I got away from him eventually with the help of therapy. But I made ALL THE EXCUSES, along the way, even though I felt crap inside.

I just want her to know that she doesn't need to do this for another 4 years. She can start to break away, today.

Nice backtracking.

Your tone was deliberately cold & unsympathetic, you bluntly told her not to come back here - in 4 years - but way to go for making her maybe feel unwelcome to return to her own thread.

I escaped an abuser too. Rough speech wasn't what helped me finally see the light & escape, any more than it would have been for you.

Oh & btw ... OP doesn't need "testing" any more than she needs to comply with her H's humiliating sexual demands. Who the fuck do you think you are, to pile yet more 'tests', traps, or demands on her?
Your update is actually worse than the lambasting you originally handed out. I'm gobsmacked that you feel entitled to 'test' somebody already in extremis, who is very likely finding her thread hard enough to read already, without dealing with your little "tests".

KettrickenSmiled · 01/12/2022 15:23

Geville · 01/12/2022 15:11

I want her to be strong. That's all.

Yeah my strength increases so massively when somebody gives me an unwarranted kicking that my shirt rips open as I Hulk Out & immediately all my problems are solved.
The green muscles take a while to wear off, but oh boy it's worth it ...

whynotwhatknot · 01/12/2022 17:17

Rosscameasdoody · 01/12/2022 13:59

Show me where I am minimising, normalising or excusing his behaviour. And my reference to ‘the minute anything goes wrong’ wasn’t directed at the OP, as you will know if you read the post properly. It was directed at the people telling her to LTB as a first option - which is the norm on MN. I was making the point that marriage is a commitment. The OP seems to want to find a solution and I was offering one based on experience of a very similar situation. I don’t think the OP has been back to the thread - that tells you everything you need to know.

I have bipolar-theres no excuse for any if what hes doing-if i was doing this id expect my dh to leave its abuse

FuckyDoodleDoo · 01/12/2022 17:34

Heavyraindropsarefallingonmyhead · 01/12/2022 11:05

Did you really just advise a woman to stay friends with the man abusing her? 😯

Um, no @Heavyraindropsarefallingonmyhead I didn't. You might want to quote the right post.

SueVineer · 01/12/2022 17:43

He sounds abusive op. Honestly op you will be better opp without

Heavyraindropsarefallingonmyhead · 01/12/2022 17:47

FuckyDoodleDoo · 01/12/2022 17:34

Um, no @Heavyraindropsarefallingonmyhead I didn't. You might want to quote the right post.

FFS I am so sorry!!!! Stupid touch screens, fat thumbs and a migraine!

PurpleButterflyWings · 01/12/2022 19:51

Rosscameasdoody · 01/12/2022 13:46

Because when she posted perhaps she didn’t expect quite so many people to describe the man who, despite everything, she obviously still loves, in such disgusting and insulting terms, or to tell her to LTB when she clearly says in her post that’s not what she wants to do, but still it persists. Upthread somewhere I suggested from personal experience of very similar behaviour, that it may be indicative of a MH problem like bipolar. My suggestion of seeking help, because proper medication can make things a lot better, was laughed off the site. Whatever happened to ‘in sickness and in health’. Perhaps it should be replaced in the marriage vows as ‘LTB the minute anything goes wrong’. Some disgusting posts on here - unhelpful to the OP who is clearly distressed, and bloody insulting to the man she loves.

WTAF have I just read? No way is this post - or any of your others on here serious?! Shock

monsteramunch · 01/12/2022 20:39

@Rosscameasdoody

Whatever happened to ‘in sickness and in health’. Perhaps it should be replaced in the marriage vows as ‘LTB the minute anything goes wrong’.

Do you really think so little of men that you believe this man is fundamentally decent and kind despite behaving the way he does?

Do you really think so little of women that you believe they should tolerate being abused?

Your 'LTB the minute anything goes wrong' snark is utterly bizarre when the feedback on this thread has actually 'LTB because he's sexually coercive, emotionally abusive and cruel.'

Lalliella · 03/12/2022 00:41

How are you doing now @46andstartingover have you decided what you’re going to do?

CallieQ · 03/12/2022 00:54

He sounds like very hard work

Soothsayer1 · 03/12/2022 11:04

OP, why are you sacrificing yourself to this weirdo?

Lovelysausagedogscrumpy · 03/12/2022 18:34

Can I just say that I have personal experience of living with someone who treated me like this for a year after we moved in together. There was absolutely no indication that anything was amiss until we bought a home together. He ‘love bombed’ me and we agreed to live together.

Within 12 moths He changed for the worse. If i did anything he perceived as taking the ‘limelight’ away from him, I got the silent treatment for days. If I spent time online it was greeted with accusations of being more interested in others than him. There was so much more that I don’t care to share, but it was bad.

He had been married before and had a daughter, who he had lost contact with - by her own admission she had done this herself because of the way he had treated her mother. When I pressed her for details, it turned out that her mum had been subjected to the same shit I had.

I was on the point of asking him to leave when his daughter intervened and got his GP involved. Long story short, he was referred to mental health services and although he has moved in with his daughter for now, things are a lot better. His mental health condition is complicated and his medication is constantly under review, we still have a relationship and hope for the future.

I really do understand the overwhelming support for the OP leaving this man before it gets to crisis point and she is physically harmed, but I just wanted to say that sometimes there are other roads to take. It sounds like the OP doesn't want to leave him and is trying her best to excuse his behaviour. No amount of pressure from MN is going to change that, but if another health professional can be involved and point her in the right direction for practical help, maybe that’s the next best thing.

Leomii81 · 03/12/2022 22:20

This vile old perv sounds horrible yuk you deserve better op 💐

Lookingoutside · 04/12/2022 09:20

‘He makes me laugh, he’s my best friend and we’re on the same wavelength about so many things.’

Lots of other men can be this without abusing you. OP why do you feel loved and cared for by him?

For me, that is the most disturbing thing you’ve written.