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Online dating: what do men look for in a woman?

145 replies

NorthAngel · 20/11/2022 18:28

Hi,

Not enjoying OLD at all. I’m finding it a tough experience after coming out of a 23 year marriage. I was very inexperienced on the dating field when I was younger (more interested in getting my career on track and shyness) so haven’t got much clue about OLD.

What do men look for in a woman? Older women (I’m 50 but a young 50).

Just wondered!

OP posts:
NoDatingForOldMen · 26/11/2022 16:49

5128gap · 26/11/2022 16:07

It sounds to me OP that you might want to venture out of your comfort zone a little, because the men you're meeting do not really sound like the type to equal your passion and zest for life. To put it bluntly, you seem to have had a run of right limp lettuces! ('Not aligned'?!)
I think sometimes when you're older, well educated and put more gentle, cerebral and cultural interests on your profile, you can attract more than your share of gentle, cerebral lack lustre types. If I were you I'd start considering men from completely different backgrounds and age ranges, and see how that goes.

I would agree with this, when doing OLD I put some things on my profile that I thought would help me, but ultimately I matched with nice enough women, but they were lacking in something, no spark for life.

bouquetofnofucks · 26/11/2022 16:50

Or someone who acts how their wife used to be before she realised what knobs they were

bouquetofnofucks · 26/11/2022 16:50

OP go younger. Around ten years is the sweet spot I find

NoDatingForOldMen · 26/11/2022 16:57

@NorthAngel I think you are being a bit hard on yourself, the London guy clearly thought you were not the one for him - I had a few dates when doing OLD, they were nice enough ppl, but just not the one for me ( or them).
I doubt you are being overlooked, you are just not want someone is currently looking for.
When I was doing OLD, I didn’t really know what I was looking for, but I knew it when I found it.

NorthAngel · 26/11/2022 17:11

NoDatingForOldMen · 26/11/2022 16:57

@NorthAngel I think you are being a bit hard on yourself, the London guy clearly thought you were not the one for him - I had a few dates when doing OLD, they were nice enough ppl, but just not the one for me ( or them).
I doubt you are being overlooked, you are just not want someone is currently looking for.
When I was doing OLD, I didn’t really know what I was looking for, but I knew it when I found it.

Trouble is…I’m losing hope.

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EBearhug · 26/11/2022 17:34

Some of them are looking for a bit on the side. They may mention this up front, but not all do. Some of them want sex but nothing else. Some of them want every moment of your attention, even when you've told them you're busy with work. Some of them want you to ignore their ED and be fine with it...

There are all sorts out there, including my lovely colleague who is in the wrong country. But it is a numbers game, and you have to be in the right frame of mind for it, because there's a lot of dross to trawl through before you find the gems - and they are out there.

If,by the age of 50, someone hasn't gained an ex or two or other complications along the way, I'd wonder what they'd been doing with their life.

NoDatingForOldMen · 26/11/2022 17:57

you need to take a break, OLD should come with a mental health warning in the same way the cigarettes come physical health warnings

JackandVera · 26/11/2022 18:10

C1N1C · 26/11/2022 13:17

I think you're lying to yourself if you think you'd be different with a man. MN is full of "he does this, he isn't this, he changed into this... red flag... dump him" attitudes. At our age(s) we've seen enough to recognise the signs and we've done enough to know how hard trying to endure those issues actually is. If you want to overlook a man in his 50s still living with his mum, or massive gambling debts for example, be my guest, but you're telling me if you found two men on OLD and one had 50k of gambling debts and there was a similar man with an 'easier' challenge to overcome, you wouldn't err for the easier?...

And the OP sounds lovely :). But a friendly word of warning as a man (which appears to have negative connotations on MN), and from listening to many female friends... don't rush into dating, and please please please spend a little bit of 'you' time, finding yourself, gathering your pride and confidence etc. Men at all ages are great at sniffing out the newly divorced, widowed, hurting women and taking advantage of them. My mum was actually almost scammed out of thousands after we lost dad because of (no other way of sugar-coating it) desperation and loneliness.

Side note relating to the above...always cut and paste the odd sentence in their messages onto Google... scammers live to repeat tried and tested phrases, and you'll be surprised how many scammers there actually are! Likewise with their profile... do the same for profile descriptions and reverse image searches on their profile pics!

OK I will give you that one 😀 I think it was the way it was written. You do seem full of advice though for a married man...or have you not been a married man for long?

NorthAngel · 26/11/2022 18:18

NoDatingForOldMen · 26/11/2022 17:57

you need to take a break, OLD should come with a mental health warning in the same way the cigarettes come physical health warnings

I guess I don’t like the feeling that I’m a page in a catalogue. That’s what it feels like!

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FOJN · 26/11/2022 18:19

Usually far more than they have to offer.

HelloGooodBye · 26/11/2022 18:20

@C1N1C 'but you're telling me if you found two men on OLD and one had 50k of gambling debts and there was a similar man with an 'easier' challenge to overcome, you wouldn't err for the easier?...'

I think blokes would just go for whoever is fitter.
Does anyone watch Dinner Date? 95% end up with whoever was the hottest regardless of cooking skill, chemistry or entertainment. Patti Stanger of Millionaire MatchMaker used to tell her millionaire Batchelors not to pick with your dick, because that's the tendency with men I find they will overlook so much if you look attractive. Finances and no crazy MIL or exes are more of a concern for women I think... happy to be corrected though.

NorthAngel · 26/11/2022 18:27

EBearhug · 26/11/2022 17:34

Some of them are looking for a bit on the side. They may mention this up front, but not all do. Some of them want sex but nothing else. Some of them want every moment of your attention, even when you've told them you're busy with work. Some of them want you to ignore their ED and be fine with it...

There are all sorts out there, including my lovely colleague who is in the wrong country. But it is a numbers game, and you have to be in the right frame of mind for it, because there's a lot of dross to trawl through before you find the gems - and they are out there.

If,by the age of 50, someone hasn't gained an ex or two or other complications along the way, I'd wonder what they'd been doing with their life.

ED an issue then?

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HelloGooodBye · 26/11/2022 18:28

I heard from women dating in their 40s and 50s (with men their own age or older) that ED is rife.

JackandVera · 26/11/2022 18:32

HelloGooodBye · 26/11/2022 18:28

I heard from women dating in their 40s and 50s (with men their own age or older) that ED is rife.

I guess it is maybe as common as a dry vagina is in women of that age?

HelloGooodBye · 26/11/2022 18:43

JackandVera · 26/11/2022 18:32

I guess it is maybe as common as a dry vagina is in women of that age?

I'm not sure it's the same thing, no. It's very easy to pop some lube in there. Some people might prefer anal sex. ED... I feel sorry for guys (and their partners).

FiscalDragQueen · 26/11/2022 18:48

I don’t know why it comes across that women want more out of a relationship than men, when over 50.

When I had marriage issues I gave this a lot of thought and I came to the conclusion that my needs are very different to what they were when I was younger. For example, if we want to be basic about it, growing up I was conditioned to think I need a man to get a house, be financially secure and have children. As a 50 year old woman, I have those things. I now don’t need a man for this. Also, a new partner at 50+ would be no match for the love I feel for my DC and any DGC. Also, chances are that a man the same age as me is going to age faster, and I wouldn’t want to be their carer. That person wouldn’t have paid enough insurance premiums (helping past finances, helping with DC, being there for the bad stuff in 20’s, 30’s and 40’s) into my life to warrant that payout.

So, what would I need one for? Dinner, drinks out, weekends away, shared hobbies and intimacy (if my post-menopausal self could be arsed?) Good girlfriends would tick a lot of these boxes.

I think at 50+ it’s good to work out what you need from a partner, and recognise how much of that is conditioning. From this, then decide what you want from a partner and go into OLD with a clear head of what you’ll put up with, and won’t. If you think about it, it’s no different to that bloke upthread who said meet twice a week and be chilled about it all.

Men on OLD seem to think they hold all the cards. They shouldn’t. They seem to think they have all the worth. They don’t. We need to ask ourselves what it is exactly that WE get out of this. They seem to get a lot of sex, and a new house keeper. I’m struggling to see what’s in it for us?

Joey69 · 26/11/2022 19:01

HelloGooodBye · 26/11/2022 18:43

I'm not sure it's the same thing, no. It's very easy to pop some lube in there. Some people might prefer anal sex. ED... I feel sorry for guys (and their partners).

ED medication is cheap, non-prescription and easily available, it’s hardly an issue these days

NorthAngel · 26/11/2022 19:07

HelloGooodBye · 26/11/2022 18:28

I heard from women dating in their 40s and 50s (with men their own age or older) that ED is rife.

Funny you should say that as the guy who I met up with in London (we’d both travelled from the north and stayed in separate hotels) seemed to have an issue in that area. We went to, you know, after messing around on the bed in my hotel room and he was quite soft I thought and pulled out and finished himself off. It was after this that he seemed to lose interest in me! I swear it isn’t me as I can turn men on quite easily these days!

And, for the record, this vagina is wet, wet, wet!! No problem with me at all. Post-menopausal too!

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JackandVera · 26/11/2022 19:10

Joey69 · 26/11/2022 19:01

ED medication is cheap, non-prescription and easily available, it’s hardly an issue these days

and that is what I meant. The way some people refer to men on here in that respect is appalling. Men could easily say " oh god yeah all those old 50s women with their dry fannies" Both sexes age and have issues.

Joey69 · 26/11/2022 19:11

FiscalDragQueen · 26/11/2022 18:48

I don’t know why it comes across that women want more out of a relationship than men, when over 50.

When I had marriage issues I gave this a lot of thought and I came to the conclusion that my needs are very different to what they were when I was younger. For example, if we want to be basic about it, growing up I was conditioned to think I need a man to get a house, be financially secure and have children. As a 50 year old woman, I have those things. I now don’t need a man for this. Also, a new partner at 50+ would be no match for the love I feel for my DC and any DGC. Also, chances are that a man the same age as me is going to age faster, and I wouldn’t want to be their carer. That person wouldn’t have paid enough insurance premiums (helping past finances, helping with DC, being there for the bad stuff in 20’s, 30’s and 40’s) into my life to warrant that payout.

So, what would I need one for? Dinner, drinks out, weekends away, shared hobbies and intimacy (if my post-menopausal self could be arsed?) Good girlfriends would tick a lot of these boxes.

I think at 50+ it’s good to work out what you need from a partner, and recognise how much of that is conditioning. From this, then decide what you want from a partner and go into OLD with a clear head of what you’ll put up with, and won’t. If you think about it, it’s no different to that bloke upthread who said meet twice a week and be chilled about it all.

Men on OLD seem to think they hold all the cards. They shouldn’t. They seem to think they have all the worth. They don’t. We need to ask ourselves what it is exactly that WE get out of this. They seem to get a lot of sex, and a new house keeper. I’m struggling to see what’s in it for us?

I think this a great post for both genders, I really wish more men were like one alluded to in this posts, - meet twice a week and be chilled about it all.

MagpieCounting · 26/11/2022 19:15

Online dating is hard and to quote a poster somewhere on here, you need a skin like a rhino to do it.
Taking a break helps - and doing things that fill your soul with joy.

It also helps to think about it as a numbers game. I work a night a week in a bar - most nights I'll see maybe 100 men. In a year of doing that only maybe 1 a night will catch my eye. And once I've spoken to them that drops rapidly.

So 100 become 1 every month - and then it needs to be mutual. That's in real life when you can see what they look like, how they speak and how they carry themselves. Online dating is even harder to measure.

I'm on a break from it at the moment because I found it too soul destroying and because it gives people permission to behave quite badly.

However I'd echo the post upthread which says be clear about what you want and need from a potential partner. Working out that at 48 with kids and a very busy life what I wanted was someone for sex, intimacy, laughter and nights out with an eye on the long term was really useful.

Good luck OP - what random strangers on a dating site think of you does not define you or mean anything really!

NoDatingForOldMen · 26/11/2022 19:33

NorthAngel · 26/11/2022 18:18

I guess I don’t like the feeling that I’m a page in a catalogue. That’s what it feels like!

Unfortunately I agree, that’s a great analogy, like flicking through the Argos catalogue, but less fun.

NorthAngel · 26/11/2022 19:46

NoDatingForOldMen · 26/11/2022 19:33

Unfortunately I agree, that’s a great analogy, like flicking through the Argos catalogue, but less fun.

It’s awful 😞

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EBearhug · 26/11/2022 21:23

ED medication is cheap, non-prescription and easily available, it’s hardly an issue these days

Depends on the cause. I had one guy who was up front that he was on medication that affected him. Some of them haven't had problems or sorted it before I knew. Another sorted it for our second attempt by getting Viagra. But some aren't going to get a second chance, because there's a lot you can do without an erection, and if they are too focused on themselves, I'm better off single, which is something they don't all realise. They're not competing with each other, but with me preferring to stay single than making do with rubbish men.

Joey69 · 26/11/2022 21:34

They're not competing with each other, but with me preferring to stay single than making do with rubbish men.

and I’m sure there are plenty of men who would rather stay single than make do