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Should I drop out of the group because my so-called friend picked a fight with me? Do you have a minute

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RemoteFriend · 31/10/2022 22:13

About three years ago a long term acquaintance introduced me to a lovely morning Walking group. Sometimes the two of us have gone to have lunch together after the walk, choosing either a local pub or café. About a month ago we went for a sandwich in a nice café where we ordered separately at the counter. The waitress brought the food and when we were ready to leave we paid separately. Our bills were £7.50 each. My friend called across that she only had enough change to pay a 50p tip. I also left a 50p tip. I appreciate that this was less than 10% of the bill, but I am feeling the pinch a bit because I’m self-employed and have lost a couple of my clients due to the current economic crisis. After all, I was still paying my bill and was a customer that the café would otherwise not have had. My friend demanded that I tip more money in order to leave a more generous tip on behalf of us both. I declined to do so. She said ‘but you have some more coins in your change’. At least we had each tipped something even if it wasn’t 10%.

On the way back to the car she flew at me and accused me of being stingy. I said that I disagreed and that we would have to agree to disagree. But she refused to leave it there and again told me that I was stingy. Her husband organises a Christmas lunch in a pub each year for another walking group to which I and my husband are always invited and she told me that I had better tip enough then or her husband would not be happy. I assured her that my generous husband always tips generously for the two of us and she even hemmed and hawed about that. The conversation then got steered back onto safer grounds and we parted in a superficially friendly way, with me seething underneath.

When I got home I cancelled my and my husband’s places for the Christmas meal because I just couldn’t stand the vision of her and her husband looking over our shoulders to check that we were tipping enough.

I don’t have a set percentage that I tip and don’t keep score of how much who has tipped how much when we eat together. Neither do I consider people’s personal tipping habits to be anyone else’s business but their own. Sometimes I have tipped more more than 10%, sometimes less, rarely exactly 10%. Afterwards I remembered that there had been an occasion when I had to leave lunch with her early, and left her a £20 note so that she could pay my £16.50 pub bill. I told her that I didn’t need any change (and none was forthcoming when I saw her again). On another occasion I did indeed make up her perceived tipping shortfall. In hindsight I think she is the stingy one. Or maybe she is slightly struggling financially too.

I have completely avoided her on subsequent walks but this is quite difficult to sustain because it is a fairly small group and sometimes as few as eight people turn up. I feel that she was in the wrong but evidently she doesn’t because she has made no attempt to apologise. She can be judgmental about other people that we both know and has claimed the moral high ground on various occasions. But the tipping issue was the final straw. I’d rather not see her any more, but that would mean giving up my weekly walks with an otherwise lovely group with people who I really value.

I guess there is an AIBU at the heart of this, but it is not about the tipping. It is more AIBU to continue to go along to the walks and continue to avoid her? After all, it was her who introduced me to the group.

OP posts:
oopsfellover · 01/11/2022 15:35

I think she sounds a bit controlling and dominant. It’s up to you what you tip, none of her business at all. Perhaps she knows she’s a bit tight herself so is trying to project that onto you. Odd behaviour anyway.
I wouldn’t drop out of the group because of her though, if it’s possible to maintain the distant, superficially friendly approach and enjoy the activity and your time with the others.

browneyes77 · 01/11/2022 16:03

ShinySeaa · 01/11/2022 07:08

I've read the whole thread and I can't quite understand why people think OP is as bad as the friend. Friend 'flew' at her, friend made it a big issue and quite reasonably, OP is a bit thrown by it. I'd be really pissed off too.
I'd have cancelled the dinner as well, as I think any trust in this friend would be gone, but I like to think I'd continue with the walking group.

Because they’re completely missing the point and only focusing on 50p.

Rather than seeing that this is about a so called friend being quite the bully and demanding how you spend your money and making passive aggressive (or maybe just aggressive) comments about how they’re going to watch what you tip in future.

Not to mention said friend didn’t even bring enough money with her to tip in the first place and is therefore a complete hypocrite.

sosolongago · 01/11/2022 16:12

YANBU on both counts. Keep going to the walking group and concentrate on talking to the others more than her but maybe time will be the great healer and you will feel more comfortable engaging with her again.
It sounds like she is a bit 'black and white' in her thinking. Tipping is not compulsory in the UK. She does not own the walking group and there is no need for you to undermine your existing social connections just because she has a thing about tipping and you don't.

TheWolves · 01/11/2022 18:39

RemoteFriend · 01/11/2022 06:57

Thank you for your replies. It’s interesting to see the range of views about tipping. Given that I posted fairly late into the evening, I wonder how many people who tuned into Mumsnet at that time and later live across the pond and so were posting earlier in their day than the UK. Given the slightly different approach to tipping in the UK than the US,, combined with our extremely high inflation rate, I predict that many more people will be eating out in the UK without tipping at all. Because to not to eat out at all in this situation will only make things worse for cafés, restaurants, pubs etc. . And in my case, my income which was below the national average anyway has dropped. Does that mean that I shouldn’t be eating out at all, not even to spend £7.50 on a sandwich and Coke?

But for those who gave advice about whether or not I should drop out of the walk, thank you. I can live with the differing views there.

No, we're not from another culture, OP.

Personally, I wouldn't bother tipping for a sandwich in a cafe. But if a friend asked me to spare some coins out of my purse, I don't care what they're for. The answer is yes.

Because I'm not stingy as all hell.

TheDuck2018 · 01/11/2022 19:33

If you speak to other people like you've spoken to posters on here, op, it's a wonder you have any friends at all.... that's quite the attitude there!

Brigante9 · 01/11/2022 21:42

Don’t let her put you off enjoying a social occasion like the Christmas thing.

I’ve never tipped in a cafe, how odd.

browneyes77 · 03/11/2022 07:46

TheDuck2018 · 01/11/2022 19:33

If you speak to other people like you've spoken to posters on here, op, it's a wonder you have any friends at all.... that's quite the attitude there!

What ‘attitude’ has the OP shown?

How has she spoken to posters on here?

SVRT19674 · 03/11/2022 08:30

Your friend is an idiot with double standards. I would have told her 50 p per person is fine for the amount spent in a cafe fgs and to calm down. No, I wouldn´t have cancelled my xmas dinner and would have informed her I will tip as I see fit. Do I tell you how to tip no? Well then, take your cue. All with a breezy smile. And l would still go on the walks, if she doesnt like it she can drop out.

Hoppinggreen · 03/11/2022 08:32

You had a minor squabble and then you escalated it by cancelling the xmas meal

Dozycuntlaters · 03/11/2022 12:47

I can understand about you being annoyed, and she shouldnt have been telling you how much to tip.

However, for the meet up to end on friendly terms albeit superficially and then for you to go home and cancel the christmas meal, that's way OTT and makes you look a bit 2 faced. You should have kept the booking and made a joke at the end of the meal if she mentioned a tip. So a non issue has now been turned into an issue, utter madness.

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