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Should I drop out of the group because my so-called friend picked a fight with me? Do you have a minute

110 replies

RemoteFriend · 31/10/2022 22:13

About three years ago a long term acquaintance introduced me to a lovely morning Walking group. Sometimes the two of us have gone to have lunch together after the walk, choosing either a local pub or café. About a month ago we went for a sandwich in a nice café where we ordered separately at the counter. The waitress brought the food and when we were ready to leave we paid separately. Our bills were £7.50 each. My friend called across that she only had enough change to pay a 50p tip. I also left a 50p tip. I appreciate that this was less than 10% of the bill, but I am feeling the pinch a bit because I’m self-employed and have lost a couple of my clients due to the current economic crisis. After all, I was still paying my bill and was a customer that the café would otherwise not have had. My friend demanded that I tip more money in order to leave a more generous tip on behalf of us both. I declined to do so. She said ‘but you have some more coins in your change’. At least we had each tipped something even if it wasn’t 10%.

On the way back to the car she flew at me and accused me of being stingy. I said that I disagreed and that we would have to agree to disagree. But she refused to leave it there and again told me that I was stingy. Her husband organises a Christmas lunch in a pub each year for another walking group to which I and my husband are always invited and she told me that I had better tip enough then or her husband would not be happy. I assured her that my generous husband always tips generously for the two of us and she even hemmed and hawed about that. The conversation then got steered back onto safer grounds and we parted in a superficially friendly way, with me seething underneath.

When I got home I cancelled my and my husband’s places for the Christmas meal because I just couldn’t stand the vision of her and her husband looking over our shoulders to check that we were tipping enough.

I don’t have a set percentage that I tip and don’t keep score of how much who has tipped how much when we eat together. Neither do I consider people’s personal tipping habits to be anyone else’s business but their own. Sometimes I have tipped more more than 10%, sometimes less, rarely exactly 10%. Afterwards I remembered that there had been an occasion when I had to leave lunch with her early, and left her a £20 note so that she could pay my £16.50 pub bill. I told her that I didn’t need any change (and none was forthcoming when I saw her again). On another occasion I did indeed make up her perceived tipping shortfall. In hindsight I think she is the stingy one. Or maybe she is slightly struggling financially too.

I have completely avoided her on subsequent walks but this is quite difficult to sustain because it is a fairly small group and sometimes as few as eight people turn up. I feel that she was in the wrong but evidently she doesn’t because she has made no attempt to apologise. She can be judgmental about other people that we both know and has claimed the moral high ground on various occasions. But the tipping issue was the final straw. I’d rather not see her any more, but that would mean giving up my weekly walks with an otherwise lovely group with people who I really value.

I guess there is an AIBU at the heart of this, but it is not about the tipping. It is more AIBU to continue to go along to the walks and continue to avoid her? After all, it was her who introduced me to the group.

OP posts:
Fairylightsongs · 31/10/2022 22:18

Blimey what have I just read. What’s wrong with the two of you. Don’t uou have normal reactions, yes you were tight, yes she shouldn’t have said anything, yes you were batshit to cancel the meal and now want to drop out of a group over something so utterly ridiculous.

my advice is the pair of you to grow up and find something to occupy your minds/

decayingmatter · 31/10/2022 22:21

Why have you taken everything to the nth degree in this relatively minor and petty situation!

murasaki · 31/10/2022 22:23

Sp you both tipped 50p but yours is stingy and hers is ok? Unless I read it incorrectly. Seems an odd thing to fall out over.

Eggygirl · 31/10/2022 22:23

That was a long and detailed story about tipping for you to turn around and say its not about the tipping. If you already knew she was such a judgemental person, why did you agree to join her group and then go for lunches with her for two years? Are you that desperate for friends? Ffs, join another walkinh group (and start tipping properly!)

Speakingofdinosaurs · 31/10/2022 22:24

I would still go along to the group walks and it doesn’t matter that she introduced you.
Still try and avoid her if you can do it without making it uncomfortable for the rest of the group.
You say at the beginning that she was ‘a long term acquaintance’ - not really a friend?
So just put her back to that status and where you can’t avoid her just be cool and polite.
Time is the great healer, so after a few months it should be much eased.

Fairylightsongs · 31/10/2022 22:24

murasaki · 31/10/2022 22:23

Sp you both tipped 50p but yours is stingy and hers is ok? Unless I read it incorrectly. Seems an odd thing to fall out over.

No the friend only had 50 p and asked the op to tip a little more to cover her. The op refused, the friend said she was stingy to not throw a quid of whatever in, the op cancelled her Christmas meal and is now ignoring her.

you couldn’t make it up

Mary46 · 31/10/2022 22:24

She was petty going on about it. If a group walk yes would go. It would put me off meeting her if just 2 you. She does sound hard work op...

determinedtomakethiswork · 31/10/2022 22:26

I think probably 90% of the customers in the shop didn't give a tip at all!

Bobbybobbins · 31/10/2022 22:27

Definitely do not stop going to the group. I can understand why you cancelled the meal in light of what she said but I think now is the time to move past this. Just be breezy and chat to the others who are there.

Penguinsaregreat · 31/10/2022 22:27

Can you not find another walking group? In the meantime I’d still continue with this one but avoid going for munch or coffee with her.. I can’t bear being told what to do over tipping.

emsyj37 · 31/10/2022 22:28

You will come across difficult people or people you disagree with, find boring or even actively dislike everywhere you go. If you react like this every time someone upsets you, your world will become very small. This woman doesn't think she has done anything wrong (and she may not have, after all we only have your version of the story) so you won't get an apology and you need to get over it. You are not important to her - why are you making her such a central feature in your life and decisions? Time to grow up.

Hercisback · 31/10/2022 22:30

Cancelling your place on the meal was a bit of an over reaction.
For the sake of a quid I'd have probably just put more of a tip. You can't turn back time now, but going forward you can consider how you react to things.

EmmaDilemma5 · 31/10/2022 22:32

I get why you were seething, I would be too. I totally agree, it's none of her business. So long as you pay the actual bill, nothing else has anything to do with her.

It's also highly hypocritical that it's ok for her to use a cafe knowing she doesn't have enough money to pay for her meal plus a 'full tip', but expects you to top it up.

She also sounds very bulshy and confrontational and I don't like friends like that either.

I think I would stay in the group and just keep chats with her at a level from now on. Talk to her like an acquaintance, be polite and friends but don't let her in and don't accept lunch offers. Don't tell or ask her anything personal. I would concentrate on enjoying the walking again for a while. After all, that's why you're there really, not for her at all.

KatherineJaneway · 31/10/2022 22:33

I think you are both as bad as each other.

EmmaDilemma5 · 31/10/2022 22:34

Hercisback · 31/10/2022 22:30

Cancelling your place on the meal was a bit of an over reaction.
For the sake of a quid I'd have probably just put more of a tip. You can't turn back time now, but going forward you can consider how you react to things.

Why should she put more money down?

Why should she 'consider how she reacts' when she reacted fine.

She's a grown woman who can tip what she wants and should stick up for herself. It's not the playground, she doesn't have to put up with people trying to tell her how to act and being rude when she does her own thing.

drpet49 · 31/10/2022 22:36

EmmaDilemma5 · 31/10/2022 22:34

Why should she put more money down?

Why should she 'consider how she reacts' when she reacted fine.

She's a grown woman who can tip what she wants and should stick up for herself. It's not the playground, she doesn't have to put up with people trying to tell her how to act and being rude when she does her own thing.

I agree. You did nothing wrong OP. Your friend sounds like a dick.

StrongCoffeeAvalanche · 31/10/2022 22:38

This is insane. You both sound really petty and like you are a bad influence on each other. I imagine if you're both like this with the rest of the group your problems will be solved. Because they will all leave and start a less bonkers group of their own.

Pixiedust1234 · 31/10/2022 22:40

I've never tipped in a cafe, is that a thing now? She seems fine spending money when its yours so start to distance yourself but certainly keep going on the group walks. Be civil so it doesn't create an atmosphere and carry on.

Hercisback · 31/10/2022 22:41

Reacting by cancelling the Christmas meal was the over reaction.
Refusing to tip more is fine behaviour, just saying I'd have probably given in and put another pound down. Sorry this wasn't clear in my first post.

ProFannyTea · 31/10/2022 22:41

Find a different walking group and a different friend. Job done.

KatMcBundleFace · 31/10/2022 22:41

I wouldn't tip on a £7.50 sandwich from a cafe. Especially not if I'd ordered at the counter.
Your friend sounds like an arsehole. I'd find another walking group.

EmmaDilemma5 · 31/10/2022 22:50

Hercisback · 31/10/2022 22:41

Reacting by cancelling the Christmas meal was the over reaction.
Refusing to tip more is fine behaviour, just saying I'd have probably given in and put another pound down. Sorry this wasn't clear in my first post.

Putting more money down, would be a bad reaction in my eyes. Adults can make their own choices and to do something because a "friend" has shamed you into it, isn't a good thing.

She cancelled the Xmas meal because she doesn't want her 'friend', who clearly thinks she rules the event, to be judging her and creating more issues.

I think it would be far stranger, continuing to go to a Christmas meal organised by someone who's thinks they can talk to you in this way.

Weeboo · 31/10/2022 22:52

What a daft non-issue.

MolkosTeenageAngst · 31/10/2022 22:53

Who tips for a £7.50 sandwich? It wouldn’t even occur to me to tip at a cafe for lunch. I bet most customers don’t tip at all.

EmmaDilemma5 · 31/10/2022 22:53

Fwiw I've never tipped in a cafe either.

I usually tip in a restaurant but not always. I'm not tight though, I donate to charities with monthly standing orders and I try to contribute as much as I can to fundraisers.

OP isn't obliged to tip. It's a decision she can make all by herself.