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Should I drop out of the group because my so-called friend picked a fight with me? Do you have a minute

110 replies

RemoteFriend · 31/10/2022 22:13

About three years ago a long term acquaintance introduced me to a lovely morning Walking group. Sometimes the two of us have gone to have lunch together after the walk, choosing either a local pub or café. About a month ago we went for a sandwich in a nice café where we ordered separately at the counter. The waitress brought the food and when we were ready to leave we paid separately. Our bills were £7.50 each. My friend called across that she only had enough change to pay a 50p tip. I also left a 50p tip. I appreciate that this was less than 10% of the bill, but I am feeling the pinch a bit because I’m self-employed and have lost a couple of my clients due to the current economic crisis. After all, I was still paying my bill and was a customer that the café would otherwise not have had. My friend demanded that I tip more money in order to leave a more generous tip on behalf of us both. I declined to do so. She said ‘but you have some more coins in your change’. At least we had each tipped something even if it wasn’t 10%.

On the way back to the car she flew at me and accused me of being stingy. I said that I disagreed and that we would have to agree to disagree. But she refused to leave it there and again told me that I was stingy. Her husband organises a Christmas lunch in a pub each year for another walking group to which I and my husband are always invited and she told me that I had better tip enough then or her husband would not be happy. I assured her that my generous husband always tips generously for the two of us and she even hemmed and hawed about that. The conversation then got steered back onto safer grounds and we parted in a superficially friendly way, with me seething underneath.

When I got home I cancelled my and my husband’s places for the Christmas meal because I just couldn’t stand the vision of her and her husband looking over our shoulders to check that we were tipping enough.

I don’t have a set percentage that I tip and don’t keep score of how much who has tipped how much when we eat together. Neither do I consider people’s personal tipping habits to be anyone else’s business but their own. Sometimes I have tipped more more than 10%, sometimes less, rarely exactly 10%. Afterwards I remembered that there had been an occasion when I had to leave lunch with her early, and left her a £20 note so that she could pay my £16.50 pub bill. I told her that I didn’t need any change (and none was forthcoming when I saw her again). On another occasion I did indeed make up her perceived tipping shortfall. In hindsight I think she is the stingy one. Or maybe she is slightly struggling financially too.

I have completely avoided her on subsequent walks but this is quite difficult to sustain because it is a fairly small group and sometimes as few as eight people turn up. I feel that she was in the wrong but evidently she doesn’t because she has made no attempt to apologise. She can be judgmental about other people that we both know and has claimed the moral high ground on various occasions. But the tipping issue was the final straw. I’d rather not see her any more, but that would mean giving up my weekly walks with an otherwise lovely group with people who I really value.

I guess there is an AIBU at the heart of this, but it is not about the tipping. It is more AIBU to continue to go along to the walks and continue to avoid her? After all, it was her who introduced me to the group.

OP posts:
Loachworks · 31/10/2022 22:59

It was stingy but you both sound as bad as each other. Keep up the walking group. It will keep the pettiness contained and the exercise might knock some sense into you both.

PutinIsAWarCriminal · 31/10/2022 23:01

Ooh, are we supposed to tip in cafes nowadays? I do tip in restaurants and for take away delivery drivers, but as all UK staff are paid at least minimum wage don't really bother with the 10% thing, I just round up to the nearest note. I provide a professional service by the way (self employed) but am never or never expect to be tipped.

Catlover1970 · 31/10/2022 23:04

It’s like being back at school!!!!!

Unseelie · 31/10/2022 23:07

Fairylightsongs · 31/10/2022 22:18

Blimey what have I just read. What’s wrong with the two of you. Don’t uou have normal reactions, yes you were tight, yes she shouldn’t have said anything, yes you were batshit to cancel the meal and now want to drop out of a group over something so utterly ridiculous.

my advice is the pair of you to grow up and find something to occupy your minds/

This

Eggygirl · 31/10/2022 23:09

I get that people are saying 'I don't tipping in cafe' (personal choice, I guess, but I do find it interesting who tips where and why not in other places - I guess it depends on level of service for some whereas some just tip because its the 'done thing'). However, this post is just ridiculous...complaining that they gave £20 for a £16.50 bill and 'friend' not giving change when next meetimg. I mean, ffs. Petty beyond belief

KettrickenSmiled · 31/10/2022 23:26

murasaki · 31/10/2022 22:23

Sp you both tipped 50p but yours is stingy and hers is ok? Unless I read it incorrectly. Seems an odd thing to fall out over.

Overbearing people like OP's friend usually have double standards.

The whole incident sounds like this 'friend' wanted to pick a fight & exert dominance.
Her comment about OP has better tip at the xmas meal or "my husband won't be happy" is so pompous, ridiculous but also childish I don;t know how OP didn't laugh full in her face.

OP - laughing at her would have been a much better option for you.
You didn't have to justify yourself to her.
Other people in your walking group will know what a controlling micromanaging pain in the arse she is - she has form for being judgemental & claiming the moral high ground so they'll know what she's like.
So if you want to carry on with the walking group, do so. This 'friend' has no leverage over you if you stop worrying about whatever she thinks or says. She's ludicrous. Don't descend to her petty level.

EndlessMagpies · 31/10/2022 23:27

A 50p tip for a £7.50 lunch in a cafe is fine anyway. No need for more than that.

For someone who wants to follow the correct etiquette and leave a bigger tip to avoid offending a waitress she doesn't even know, her etiquette and manners in handling the situation with you leaves a lot to be desired.

I wouldn't want to socialise with someone as petty-minded as her either.

browneyes77 · 31/10/2022 23:30

The key thing I'm getting here is that it's the way she behaved towards you over the tipping that's annoyed you. The fact she was being so bolshy and aggressive about it.

And now her behaviour and continued rudeness about the whole tipping thing has made you feel too uncomfortable to attend the Xmas do with her, for fear of similar behaviour.

What each person decides to tip is nobody's business but their own (I've never tipped in a cafe? And I say this as someone who's worked in waitressing and pubs. Wouldn't occur to me to do so unless the service had been exceptional, which is the only time I tip anyway).

I can see why you'd want to back away from someone like this. Far too opinionated and aggressive with it. And hypocritical too it seems.

Maybe continue with the group a little while longer and see how things go/feel. If it becomes too awkward then maybe it's time to find a new group.

Pineappleskies · 31/10/2022 23:33

Is it a full moon

ArcaneWireless · 31/10/2022 23:37

And then my head fell off.

Jaffacats · 31/10/2022 23:38

Try the walking group again; if you bump into her and she starts being awkward, minimise it/laugh it off. She was picking a fight over fresh air on this one and being very unreasonable.

alwaysmovingforwards · 31/10/2022 23:49

MolkosTeenageAngst · 31/10/2022 22:53

Who tips for a £7.50 sandwich? It wouldn’t even occur to me to tip at a cafe for lunch. I bet most customers don’t tip at all.

Total I had a coffee, sandwich, slice of cake - came to £12.50!

I paid on my card and they delivered the food over a few minutes later.

It didn't even occur to me to leave a tip.

strawberriesplease · 31/10/2022 23:55

All you stingy people not tipping in a cafe.

Not going walking with any of you.

Meanies

MysweetAudrina · 01/11/2022 00:07

Maybe this is just the tip of the iceberg.

DumpedByText · 01/11/2022 00:17

How can you be bothered to give this trivial matter headspace. Do you have too much time on your hands? Get a grip, go to your walking club and stay friends!

Ofcourseshecan · 01/11/2022 00:37

Bobbybobbins · 31/10/2022 22:27

Definitely do not stop going to the group. I can understand why you cancelled the meal in light of what she said but I think now is the time to move past this. Just be breezy and chat to the others who are there.

Good advice.

parameter · 01/11/2022 01:23

You sound very petty, throwing your toys out of the pram and cancelling your places at the party because of a silly quarrel. perhaps you’d be best to leave the group yes

Girlsontour · 01/11/2022 01:27

Kumbaya my Lord, Kumbaya!

TheTeenageYears · 01/11/2022 02:17

I don't believe you should leave the group - you have been in the group for 3 years and the fact that she initially introduced you should be neither here nor there. Friendships aren't ownership, I presume you have developed your own relationship with the rest of the group over time which stands alone from the 'friendship' that originally brought you to the group. She has no more right to be there than you just because she was the one that introduced you - others may or may not actually like her and may or may not actually like you. If you still enjoy going and no one else makes you feel out of place then keep going.

TheWolves · 01/11/2022 03:08

I really don't see why you couldn't have chucked a few extra coins down just for the sake of it. That's pretty tight, OP.

Ineedaduvetday · 01/11/2022 06:00

TheWolves · 01/11/2022 03:08

I really don't see why you couldn't have chucked a few extra coins down just for the sake of it. That's pretty tight, OP.

Agree with this. If money was that tight, you would not be spending £7.50 on a sandwich.

MavisChunch29 · 01/11/2022 06:04

I would have told her off for telling me how I should spend my money, and still go to the group if I liked other people there.

MavisChunch29 · 01/11/2022 06:06

And tipping 50p, or leaving nothing at all is fine in that situation. The waitress literally brought a sandwich over, she hadn't waited on you for a four course meal.

Doingmybest12 · 01/11/2022 06:09

I wouldn't choose to spend time with people who decide it is ok to tell me off for something like this. Unless she is great fun in other ways and you just roll your eyes at all the other stuff. All too much drama. Either go or don't go to the group but distance your self from this person and get to know others. Choose your friends more wisely.

lannistunut · 01/11/2022 06:13

My friend's mum used to say 'it takes two to argue' which used to drive me mad because that means just back down - but in this instance I think it applies. You've both been total drama llamas and you've managed to turn a small disagreement over 50p into not going to a Christmas party and a messed up walking group.

I can be feisty when necessary but I'd have chucked in an extra quid and thus had no drama, sometimes it is the better thing not to fly off the handle.