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Should I drop out of the group because my so-called friend picked a fight with me? Do you have a minute

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RemoteFriend · 31/10/2022 22:13

About three years ago a long term acquaintance introduced me to a lovely morning Walking group. Sometimes the two of us have gone to have lunch together after the walk, choosing either a local pub or café. About a month ago we went for a sandwich in a nice café where we ordered separately at the counter. The waitress brought the food and when we were ready to leave we paid separately. Our bills were £7.50 each. My friend called across that she only had enough change to pay a 50p tip. I also left a 50p tip. I appreciate that this was less than 10% of the bill, but I am feeling the pinch a bit because I’m self-employed and have lost a couple of my clients due to the current economic crisis. After all, I was still paying my bill and was a customer that the café would otherwise not have had. My friend demanded that I tip more money in order to leave a more generous tip on behalf of us both. I declined to do so. She said ‘but you have some more coins in your change’. At least we had each tipped something even if it wasn’t 10%.

On the way back to the car she flew at me and accused me of being stingy. I said that I disagreed and that we would have to agree to disagree. But she refused to leave it there and again told me that I was stingy. Her husband organises a Christmas lunch in a pub each year for another walking group to which I and my husband are always invited and she told me that I had better tip enough then or her husband would not be happy. I assured her that my generous husband always tips generously for the two of us and she even hemmed and hawed about that. The conversation then got steered back onto safer grounds and we parted in a superficially friendly way, with me seething underneath.

When I got home I cancelled my and my husband’s places for the Christmas meal because I just couldn’t stand the vision of her and her husband looking over our shoulders to check that we were tipping enough.

I don’t have a set percentage that I tip and don’t keep score of how much who has tipped how much when we eat together. Neither do I consider people’s personal tipping habits to be anyone else’s business but their own. Sometimes I have tipped more more than 10%, sometimes less, rarely exactly 10%. Afterwards I remembered that there had been an occasion when I had to leave lunch with her early, and left her a £20 note so that she could pay my £16.50 pub bill. I told her that I didn’t need any change (and none was forthcoming when I saw her again). On another occasion I did indeed make up her perceived tipping shortfall. In hindsight I think she is the stingy one. Or maybe she is slightly struggling financially too.

I have completely avoided her on subsequent walks but this is quite difficult to sustain because it is a fairly small group and sometimes as few as eight people turn up. I feel that she was in the wrong but evidently she doesn’t because she has made no attempt to apologise. She can be judgmental about other people that we both know and has claimed the moral high ground on various occasions. But the tipping issue was the final straw. I’d rather not see her any more, but that would mean giving up my weekly walks with an otherwise lovely group with people who I really value.

I guess there is an AIBU at the heart of this, but it is not about the tipping. It is more AIBU to continue to go along to the walks and continue to avoid her? After all, it was her who introduced me to the group.

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BoredOfLooking · 01/11/2022 08:20

We’re supposed to tip for coffee and cake? I’ve never done that.

OP, you’re fine. Avoid acquaintance from now on but carry on in the group (for now).

rookiemere · 01/11/2022 08:27

BoredOfLooking · 01/11/2022 08:20

We’re supposed to tip for coffee and cake? I’ve never done that.

OP, you’re fine. Avoid acquaintance from now on but carry on in the group (for now).

Depends on the set up. If it's self service I'll tend not to tip, but if they come and take your order and bring it over I will.
I'm actually much happier tipping in cafes rather than restaurants as it's generally only 50p to a pound extra and much better than faffing around with your tray yourself.

JenniferJareau · 01/11/2022 08:28

Does that mean that I shouldn’t be eating out at all, not even to spend £7.50 on a sandwich and Coke?

Maybe I misinterpreted but I thought your friend wanted you to add a bit more tip for yourself and also cover her extra bit of tip as well as she was short. This would have been 50 pence in total to take you up to 10% service each?

If so, sorry but you are tight for 50p. All this 'should I not eat out' or 'I had no idea we tipped in cafe's now' is deflection from the fact you were being tight, your friend overreacted to that and then you overreacted to her overreaction.

Snoken · 01/11/2022 08:29

There is an unbelievable amount of pettiness on both sides here, and I don't think the way you are both behaving you friendship stands a chance of surviving long-term anyway, so you might as well either go back to just being acquaintances or nothing at all. She was short 25p of a 10% tip, and you wouldn't subsidise her for god's sake. In principle I agree that a tip is not necessary, but 25p to keep the peace seems like a very small price to pay, both figuratively and literary.

BadNomad · 01/11/2022 08:29

Where did this 10% number even come from??

Lalliella · 01/11/2022 08:35

If it was order at the counter type service 50p is a perfectly adequate tip! Your friend was batshit.

You shouldn’t have cancelled your Christmas meal over something so trivial. And it would be sad to give up going to the group. It’s time to put this behind you really. Why not carry on going and say hi to your friend and then try to pick up casual chat with her?

rookiemere · 01/11/2022 08:36

Rereading the OP, I wonder if this is because of something more.

OP do you drive to the walks together and if so whose car, and does the person being driven give money for petrol or offer to pay for the coffees?

PatchworkElmer · 01/11/2022 08:45

So you’ve essentially fallen out (and potentially lost a good social group) over 50p, if the issue is tipping to 10%? Both of you need a head wobble. She was wrong to judge you/ what you choose to tip, but cancelling the Christmas meal was a huge overreaction.

Odile13 · 01/11/2022 08:51

Well, I think your friend was rude to insist you tip more for the sandwich and then to talk about tipping at the Christmas meal. However, I think you overreacted by cancelling your places at the Christmas meal. If you are both ignoring each other on the walks, has it become awkward for the other members? That would be a shame. Overall it is quite a petty issue and might be best to try to overlook it and move on, particularly if you enjoy the other aspects of the group.

Fairylightsongs · 01/11/2022 09:59

Lalliella · 01/11/2022 08:35

If it was order at the counter type service 50p is a perfectly adequate tip! Your friend was batshit.

You shouldn’t have cancelled your Christmas meal over something so trivial. And it would be sad to give up going to the group. It’s time to put this behind you really. Why not carry on going and say hi to your friend and then try to pick up casual chat with her?

It’s not really about whether it’s adequate or not, that’s not what she’s asking and we all know everyone has different views on tipping. The issue is effectively the friend didn’t have enough on her and wanted the op to sub her 50p to make it up , by Giving the server a pound instead of 50p as she had spare coins, the op refused and said she was too skint to do so ,

so they both fell out like a pair of prat’s and then the op escalated it even further by cancelling the crimbo meal and now ignores her on walks.

personally if I asked my friend to throw in 50 p for me, irrelevant of her views on tipping, I’d expect her to do it as a minor favour to me. And I’d do the same back. There are very few people when basically asked for 50 p by a friend behave as the op did and say no

Cherryflavouranything · 01/11/2022 10:29

So you saved £1 but lost your whole friendship group…

RemoteFriend · 01/11/2022 13:44

@Fairylightsongs I agree in principle that no friendship is worth falling out over for the sake of 50p. But maybe for the right to make my own decisions about my own money?

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KettrickenSmiled · 01/11/2022 13:46

RemoteFriend · 01/11/2022 13:44

@Fairylightsongs I agree in principle that no friendship is worth falling out over for the sake of 50p. But maybe for the right to make my own decisions about my own money?

Of course you are.

But if a friendship isn't worth falling out over for the sake of 50p - why on earth did you escalate by throwing your toys out of the Christmas meal pram?

Let alone contemplate leaving the entire walking group?

RemoteFriend · 01/11/2022 13:46

@Cherryflavouranything that is very reductive and inaccurate. And see my reply to Fairy above.

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RemoteFriend · 01/11/2022 13:49

@KettrickenSmiled in answer to your question and your final sentence, please read my original post again.

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SlouchingTowardsBethlehemAgain · 01/11/2022 13:54

Keep enjoying your walking group, be polite and friendly to everyone including the tip monster and drop this issue into the dustbin of history. It is not important.

rookiemere · 01/11/2022 13:55

@RemoteFriend are you able to respond to my question about who drives and if there is any lift share?
I can only think that there's something deeper going on.

Eggygirl · 01/11/2022 14:04

OMG is this still going on??? Tip what you like, when you like and ignore your so-called friend if you truly feel you tip appropriately. If that's not in line with what everyone tips, then why is that so upsetting to you? You're a grown-ass woman, make your own decisions and be content with them, regardless of other people's opinion

RemoteFriend · 01/11/2022 14:08

@rookiemere Yes I am able to respond to your question. No we have never lift shared, or shared any expenses for that matter. We have always paid for ourselves. So AFAIK there is no more to it than I set out in my original post.

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GarfieldsAunty · 01/11/2022 14:09

It's a bit rich (pun not intended) of your friend going on about you not tipping the right amount when she only had 50p herself. She sounds like a pain the backside tbh and I don't blame you for cancelling the dinner. Is she a slightly controlling type, OP? That's how it read to me when reading through your first post.

If you enjoy the walking group I'd still go. And I'd remain civil to this person, don't react to any nonsense. Grey rock her.

KettrickenSmiled · 01/11/2022 14:09

RemoteFriend · 01/11/2022 13:49

@KettrickenSmiled in answer to your question and your final sentence, please read my original post again.

I don't need to @RemoteFriend
I remember it perfectly well from the first read, & reading it again won't change how disproportionate & self-deafeating your response to your friend's high-handedness was.

2bazookas · 01/11/2022 14:12

Stay in the group
When you see her, just say casually " I'm sorry we fell out" and leave it at that. No response required.
Don't go to lunch with her again.

Lunificent · 01/11/2022 14:14

This friend will have been judging you for this and that before this incident. She sounds irritating. Stay in the group but let this friendship fade.
Is your dh happy you cancelled the Christmas meal?

Aprilx · 01/11/2022 14:55

Well your friend just didn’t have any change but you left a 50p tip by choice, so I would say that you are indeed the stingy one. I think most people I would be happy to chuck a couple of quid in to cover tip in that scenario.

rookiemere · 01/11/2022 15:30

RemoteFriend · 01/11/2022 14:08

@rookiemere Yes I am able to respond to your question. No we have never lift shared, or shared any expenses for that matter. We have always paid for ourselves. So AFAIK there is no more to it than I set out in my original post.

That's really odd then to have such a marked view about the wait staff getting 50p more or not.