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Should I drop out of the group because my so-called friend picked a fight with me? Do you have a minute

110 replies

RemoteFriend · 31/10/2022 22:13

About three years ago a long term acquaintance introduced me to a lovely morning Walking group. Sometimes the two of us have gone to have lunch together after the walk, choosing either a local pub or café. About a month ago we went for a sandwich in a nice café where we ordered separately at the counter. The waitress brought the food and when we were ready to leave we paid separately. Our bills were £7.50 each. My friend called across that she only had enough change to pay a 50p tip. I also left a 50p tip. I appreciate that this was less than 10% of the bill, but I am feeling the pinch a bit because I’m self-employed and have lost a couple of my clients due to the current economic crisis. After all, I was still paying my bill and was a customer that the café would otherwise not have had. My friend demanded that I tip more money in order to leave a more generous tip on behalf of us both. I declined to do so. She said ‘but you have some more coins in your change’. At least we had each tipped something even if it wasn’t 10%.

On the way back to the car she flew at me and accused me of being stingy. I said that I disagreed and that we would have to agree to disagree. But she refused to leave it there and again told me that I was stingy. Her husband organises a Christmas lunch in a pub each year for another walking group to which I and my husband are always invited and she told me that I had better tip enough then or her husband would not be happy. I assured her that my generous husband always tips generously for the two of us and she even hemmed and hawed about that. The conversation then got steered back onto safer grounds and we parted in a superficially friendly way, with me seething underneath.

When I got home I cancelled my and my husband’s places for the Christmas meal because I just couldn’t stand the vision of her and her husband looking over our shoulders to check that we were tipping enough.

I don’t have a set percentage that I tip and don’t keep score of how much who has tipped how much when we eat together. Neither do I consider people’s personal tipping habits to be anyone else’s business but their own. Sometimes I have tipped more more than 10%, sometimes less, rarely exactly 10%. Afterwards I remembered that there had been an occasion when I had to leave lunch with her early, and left her a £20 note so that she could pay my £16.50 pub bill. I told her that I didn’t need any change (and none was forthcoming when I saw her again). On another occasion I did indeed make up her perceived tipping shortfall. In hindsight I think she is the stingy one. Or maybe she is slightly struggling financially too.

I have completely avoided her on subsequent walks but this is quite difficult to sustain because it is a fairly small group and sometimes as few as eight people turn up. I feel that she was in the wrong but evidently she doesn’t because she has made no attempt to apologise. She can be judgmental about other people that we both know and has claimed the moral high ground on various occasions. But the tipping issue was the final straw. I’d rather not see her any more, but that would mean giving up my weekly walks with an otherwise lovely group with people who I really value.

I guess there is an AIBU at the heart of this, but it is not about the tipping. It is more AIBU to continue to go along to the walks and continue to avoid her? After all, it was her who introduced me to the group.

OP posts:
Fairylightsongs · 01/11/2022 06:18

To clarify this is all over 50 pence. Ten percent of 15 pounds is 1.50. The friend put on 50 p and had nothing left, asked the op to make it to ten percent as she didn’t have the money on her , the op was also putting in 50 pence. So her friend was asking her to throw in an extra 50 p. The op refused. And then they both fell out and acted like a pair of eejits.

MajorCarolDanvers · 01/11/2022 06:21

Total overaction to a stupid quarrel

qwertyuiopasfghjklzxcvbnenk · 01/11/2022 06:22

Lady have you seen what's going on in the world right now! Get a bloody grip and get over yourself!

00100001 · 01/11/2022 06:24

I don't tip for food service.

Especially when it's just a case of them doing the job that they are paid for.

MrsLargeEmbodied · 01/11/2022 06:37

just carry on with the walking group
get over her tipping issue,
people are odd, they have hang ups

Oceanrudeness · 01/11/2022 06:38

I wouldn't even tip in a place where you go up to a counter to order, are you supposed to?!

Anyway, I had a colleague who would keep tabs on people like this, she actually had a notebook for it haha. Anyway, it was very annoying and I can seethat it would get your back up. She was also very very stingy.

DozyFox · 01/11/2022 06:54

I've worked in lots of cafes in my time, people who tipped were very much the exception, not the norm IME

What an odd thing for her to get angry about

supercali77 · 01/11/2022 06:56

This is all over 50p. But it sounds like its actually over tone. She insisted you did it...which isn't how a friend acts. They might ask you to cover it but they won't demand. And you in turn refused, where with an actual friend you could easily tell them...listen things are a bit tight atm, the 7.50 sandwich is already a luxury. And this would all turn into a friend asking how things are atm, and if you're OK.

RemoteFriend · 01/11/2022 06:57

Thank you for your replies. It’s interesting to see the range of views about tipping. Given that I posted fairly late into the evening, I wonder how many people who tuned into Mumsnet at that time and later live across the pond and so were posting earlier in their day than the UK. Given the slightly different approach to tipping in the UK than the US,, combined with our extremely high inflation rate, I predict that many more people will be eating out in the UK without tipping at all. Because to not to eat out at all in this situation will only make things worse for cafés, restaurants, pubs etc. . And in my case, my income which was below the national average anyway has dropped. Does that mean that I shouldn’t be eating out at all, not even to spend £7.50 on a sandwich and Coke?

But for those who gave advice about whether or not I should drop out of the walk, thank you. I can live with the differing views there.

OP posts:
ShinySeaa · 01/11/2022 07:08

I've read the whole thread and I can't quite understand why people think OP is as bad as the friend. Friend 'flew' at her, friend made it a big issue and quite reasonably, OP is a bit thrown by it. I'd be really pissed off too.
I'd have cancelled the dinner as well, as I think any trust in this friend would be gone, but I like to think I'd continue with the walking group.

Dibbydoos · 01/11/2022 07:23

Hi OP, Reading between the lines there's a bigger issue than tipping/not tipping here.

You now ex friend is displaying (imo) destructive behaviour. Has she done this before? I think it needs a deeper review.

She did this to upset you purposefully. She didn't bring change knowing she wanted to leave a tip but expected you to cover it. That is OOO irrespective of the value, a value in this case that other MNers are getting hung up on.

To then tell you that you'd better tip is outrageous. Tipping, in the UK, is a choice. People are on minimum wage now working in restaurants etc.

My mate told me she didn't tip cos it meant she could eat out more with her family ie putting more money into the community versus giving one person more money.

I tip, but I'm not a huge fan of the % thing. I tend to think of the £ value. They've spent less than a hour serving you so £5 is more than a 50% uplift on their hourly pay. I have also left significantly more if we've had exceptional service.

Another mate is very generous but then she is loaded. She often hands over £20 to waiting staff even if we've just had a coffee and cake!

I would not leave the walking group, leave her to sort her own demons out. There are enough other people to chat with. Hopefully she will come round, but if she doesn't that's not on you.

marmaladepop · 01/11/2022 07:25

It's none of her business whether you tip or not, or how much.

Anyfeckinusername · 01/11/2022 07:38

Basically your friend asked you to cover the tip and you refused. Another 50p wouldn't have killed you.

For her to fly off the handle makes me think you are generally stingy and she's been noticing.

I cringed at your "well my generous husband will be there" piece to her.

Walk with whoever you like. And don't tip if you don't want to. But as you can see, people notice!

If you'd been alone in that cafe how much would you have tipped?

Gazelda · 01/11/2022 07:52

She was essentially asking you to sub her 50p because she wanted to leave a larger tip than she had in her purse.

You refused. That's where it all went bonkers, from both of you.

Incidentally, before you knew she was tipping 50p, how much were you intending to leave as a tip?

Solosunrise · 01/11/2022 07:57

I'm quite astounded at people normalising the 'friend's' behaviour! And then blaming @RemoteFriend

PopcornChewingGum · 01/11/2022 07:57

I'd be irritated by her behaviour too. But the trouble is that you are the one missing out, not her, if you cancel your Xmas meal and drop of the walking group. So I'd stay.

gamerchick · 01/11/2022 08:00

Solosunrise · 01/11/2022 07:57

I'm quite astounded at people normalising the 'friend's' behaviour! And then blaming @RemoteFriend

Probably because they expect others to cover the tip for them.

Never have an argument about money with people. Never ends well. I wouldn't avoid the walking group though.

Bargoed · 01/11/2022 08:08

Whatever you decide to do, I would also buy a grip.

rookiemere · 01/11/2022 08:09

I think both of you were OTT, but it's actually your DH I feel sorry for as he misses out on a Christmas meal with the walking group, through no fault of his own < and apparently knows that 10% is a standard UK tip>

In the café scenario, I probably would also have left 50p per person, or tried to leave 10% if I had change. The wait person would still have been happy with £1 from a quick turnaround table, I think. So she was being weird, but your response of cancelling the dinner - when it feels like deliberately closing off a social group for both you and your DH - seems disproportionate.

badbaduncle · 01/11/2022 08:12

Seething?
I would literally have forgotten this by the time I got to the car.

PeekabooAtTheZoo · 01/11/2022 08:16

All this tipping shite is virtue signalling to the n th degree. I worked in food jobs for years and think you are all being unreasonable to tip in the UK. It’s like watching a competition of who is the most middle class. If you want to help food workers, vote in a better government.

That aside, avoid her and keep going to your thing, her reaction is not your problem.

IncompleteSenten · 01/11/2022 08:17

She tipped 50p and hit the roof when you did the same?
She's nuts.

rookiemere · 01/11/2022 08:18

Oh and sorry to not answer the original question.

Keep going on the walks for sure and just keep your distance from former friend. If the walk involves a cafe stop at the end, I'd make sure you have a purse full of change and would ostentatiously tip exactly 10% every time, or skip the food bit.

TinaYouFatLard · 01/11/2022 08:18

What I think is that it must be really bloody awkward for the other 6 walkers if the two of you children are giving each other the silent treatment.

Fairylightsongs · 01/11/2022 08:19

I just can’t imagine falling out over 50p . The pair of uou are as bad as the other.