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Don't agree with my friends parenting style. What to do?

127 replies

hesaysimterrible · 22/10/2022 19:43

I have a good friend. She's very relaxed and blazé about things. Some may say she's a lazy mother (my DH does). She is 10 years older than me with 2 children. One 12 the same age as my son and the other is 18. My son and her son are very good friends, often spending days at each of our houses or having sleepovers.

But I don't agree with her parenting choices and I feel the effects they have on her children are also wearing on mine.

Example 1: she often leaves her son home alone for hours (for the past several years, not just since he's been 12). Sometimes her eldest is home upstairs on the 3rd floor, but never makes an appearance or spends time with the youngest to make sure he's ok. There have been numerous times when we have allowed our son to go to their house to play and the children were left home alone and we only found out about it after the fact.

Example 2: there is no regulation / monitoring of screens, iPads, phones, etc. The child has free reign to play whatever video games he wants for pretty much however long he wants. My son goes over to play and they spend the entire time on screens. My son knows he shouldn't be watching certain movies / tv programmes (he has quite bad anxiety) but often reports back to us saying how his friend has watched the whole series of Squid Games when it first came out and most recently watched the Jeffrey Dahlmer serial killer mini-series on Netflix. Both very gruesome and graphic. It makes me wonder what else he's watching!

Example 3: there's no enforcement of bedtimes. My son is in bed usually about 8:30, but sometimes at 9-10pm or later my sons phone which stays downstairs starts ringing with his friend calling or buzzing with late night messages. He's clearly not sleeping and is allowed to have the phone in the bedroom with him. In the summer our boys had a sleepover at her house and my son came home exhausted. It turns out that she tucked them in at 11:30 and went off to bed and slept solid the whole night while they stayed up on their phones and iPads until 3:30am!!! She got up and went to work the next morning and left cereal out for them when they woke up.

Example 4: she lets him come and go from the house when he likes. I was surprised to learn that at 8-9 he was leaving the house to ride / walk down a busy road about 10 mins away from home to go to the corner shop to get things.

Example 5: She always wants to do activities that require as little involvement from her as possible. Things like indoor / outdoor climbing which I view as a treat for my boy because it's often upwards of £25 per session. And that allows her to just sit there and have a coffee.

When she told me about the sleepover I was quite shocked because she was just so La Dee Da about the whole thing. When I said something along the lines of "oh gosh that's so late to be up gaming, she kind of laughed and said that maybe she should have checked to see if they had screens with them 🤦‍♀️ Then she brushed it off by saying oh but that's what being a kid and having sleepovers is all about.

I love her as a friend, our boys are great friends, but I don't agree with the way she just leaves her children to basically parent themselves. How do I approach this without offending her or ruining our friendship?

OP posts:
Weirdlynormal · 22/10/2022 19:45

Mind your own business maybe?

hesaysimterrible · 22/10/2022 19:46

Weirdlynormal · 22/10/2022 19:45

Mind your own business maybe?

But it is my business when it involves my son Confused

OP posts:
teathyme · 22/10/2022 19:47

Why do you need to "approach" it? If you aren't happy with her rules then don't let your ds go there unsupervised. You sound a bit uptight though, I don't know any 12 year old that has a 8.30pm bedtime!

demotedreally · 22/10/2022 19:47

So you parent your own kid how you see fit. I agree with some of your views but it is irrelevant really. If you don't like it you keep your son away. You've let this go on for way longer than I would have.

Loachworks · 22/10/2022 19:49

Seriously? Yours is the son with anxiety...

topcat2014 · 22/10/2022 19:49

No one sleeps on sleepovers. That's the point :)

I never got this phobia about generic "screens" but I wouldn't have been thrilled about 18 etc films.

MolliciousIntent · 22/10/2022 19:49

Her approach sounds exactly like how I was parented, and I have zero complaints.

If you want to baby your kid more than she does, host sleepovers yourself and don't send him round there.

Dacadactyl · 22/10/2022 19:50

demotedreally · 22/10/2022 19:47

So you parent your own kid how you see fit. I agree with some of your views but it is irrelevant really. If you don't like it you keep your son away. You've let this go on for way longer than I would have.

I agree.

I don't think you can bring it up with your friend without a risk to both yours and your son's friendship.

I would limit the amount of time my son spent there.

Kanaloa · 22/10/2022 19:50

hesaysimterrible · 22/10/2022 19:46

But it is my business when it involves my son Confused

Then stick to the parts that concern your son. Don’t allow her to babysit him or send him round there unaccompanied. Offer sleepovers/meeting up at your home instead where you can supervise and parent your child as you see fit.

Does she sounds a bit crap? Yeah. Is it really your concern? No. Different if there was abuse etc going on but really this just sounds like lazy parenting and if you disagree with her parenting (as I would) then you just stop allowing your child to be affected by it.

blebbleb · 22/10/2022 19:50

It's none of your business how she parents her children. Don't send your son round if it upsets you so much.

TeenDivided · 22/10/2022 19:50

if you think there is insufficient supervision at his house, then don't let him go round / go for sleepovers.
If your DS watches things he knows he's not allowed to then that's on him by age 12.

Whowhatwherewhenwhynow · 22/10/2022 19:50

teathyme · 22/10/2022 19:47

Why do you need to "approach" it? If you aren't happy with her rules then don't let your ds go there unsupervised. You sound a bit uptight though, I don't know any 12 year old that has a 8.30pm bedtime!

This^

dont address it, just make your own choices about if, on balance, you are happy letting your child stay there.

PutOnAHappyFace · 22/10/2022 19:50

If the sons were younger I would kind of see your point but at 12, year 7/8 l. Nope, don't massively see the issue.

Mammma91 · 22/10/2022 19:51

I’d continue to disallow your son screens at bed time. Reinforce in your son that he absolutely cannot under any circumstances go to friends house if there is no adult present. No sleepovers either as 3:30am is far too late to be up playing on screens and it has a knock on effect for the rest of the week too. In terms of anything else, there isn’t much more you can do I’m afraid OP. I like to think I’m somewhat laid back as a mum, as in I’m quite content for my toddler to pull toys out onto the floor and I’ll clear away when he’s finished. It keeps him busy and entertained, but I wouldn’t be having that when he was older either tbh. I think there’s a fine line between being a laid back parent and a lazy parent.

MrsPelligrinoPetrichor · 22/10/2022 19:51

Mind your own business and stop sleep overs if it bothers you. Squid Games at 12 wouldn't bother me tbh, JD would but tbh they could be watching porn which I would have issues with. And going to the shop at 8-9, not sure what the issue is with that? All the kids walk from school at 8 and to and from school at 9 plus the shop/ park.

Chamomileteaplease · 22/10/2022 19:53

I would try to phrase it by trying not to critisize at all but by saying what you would like to be in place for your own child.

So next time he goes for a sleep over - say how it is crap that your son comes home exhausted, so could she please ensure screens are kept away and that they go to bed at a decent hour. If she laughs it off, press the point.

It is going to be tricky as you are polar opposites and I suppose people could say her house her rules BUT if you son is getting anxiety from inappropriate TV programmes and coming back exhausted, personally I think you are within your rights to address the problem. Good luck!

BernadetteRostankowskiWolowitz · 22/10/2022 19:55

I think none of what you've said in any way makes her a bad or lazy mother.

So her 12yp son is at home with mum out but the 18y0 upstairs? That's fine.

Her son goes to the local shop alone. Fine

Sleepovers always involve late nights. Fine.

She has different screen rules to you. Fine.

She takes her kid to activities that you don't do as often. Fine.

She lers her kid watch movies older than his age. Fine.

You don't get to judge her choices just becaus they are different to yours. Don't like your son doing these things? Don't let him go.

But she isn't actually doing anything wrong.

Xiaoxiong · 22/10/2022 19:57

There have been numerous times when we have allowed our son to go to their house to play and the children were left home alone and we only found out about it after the fact.

Why numerous times- surely the first time you found out should also have been the last time? Honestly, if you disagree, then why send him again?

I have two friends with whose parenting I disagree - both are gentle/attachment parents. I just bite my tongue and don't ever expect them to supervise my kids alone, even though both are absolutely lovely people and offer to share school runs/host play dates on a regular basis. If I had safety concerns for their children that would be different.

MrsTerryPratchett · 22/10/2022 19:58

I think none of what you've said in any way makes her a bad or lazy mother.

I agree. Some of her choices are a littles suspect but nothing outrageous. Some of what you've said makes you sound a little controlling and anxious. Maybe have a think about more freedoms to encourage your boy to become more confident in the world. And to manage peer pressure if he needs to.

LadybirdsAreNeverHappy · 22/10/2022 19:59

I have a feeling she’s not going to change her parenting style so that you feel better about your kid sleeping over at her house. If you want to stay friends with her, I wouldn’t go criticising her parenting. Nothing you’ve mentioned is particularly bad in relative terms.
Why don’t you invite her son to yours instead?

outtheshowernow · 22/10/2022 19:59

I sometimes wonder if all the anxiety in kids these days is because the parents are anxious

Branleuse · 22/10/2022 20:01

I couldnt get worked up about it.

MooseAndSquirrelLoveFlannel · 22/10/2022 20:02

Her parenting sounds absolutely fine to me.

You sound really uptight.

Also, cant quite believe your 12yo goes to bed at 8.30pm!

On a side note, my kids have been walking to our local shops alone since about 8yo although it's only a 5 minute walk.

Kanaloa · 22/10/2022 20:03

MrsTerryPratchett · 22/10/2022 19:58

I think none of what you've said in any way makes her a bad or lazy mother.

I agree. Some of her choices are a littles suspect but nothing outrageous. Some of what you've said makes you sound a little controlling and anxious. Maybe have a think about more freedoms to encourage your boy to become more confident in the world. And to manage peer pressure if he needs to.

Have you see the Dahmer miniseries? It’s really really inappropriate viewing for a bit of 12. And for his mum to not know/know and not care that he’s watching it is bad parenting. She’s letting him be exposed to really inappropriate content and it raises the question of whether she’s aware of other things he’s viewing too. As a parent part of your job is to make sure your child isn’t being exposed to inappropriate content both on TV and online and if you’re neglecting that it is lazy.

Boredsoentertainme · 22/10/2022 20:04

This can’t be serious. If you don’t find it safe you don’t let your kid go over but you do not address her parenting skills with her.

behave.

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