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Don't agree with my friends parenting style. What to do?

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hesaysimterrible · 22/10/2022 19:43

I have a good friend. She's very relaxed and blazé about things. Some may say she's a lazy mother (my DH does). She is 10 years older than me with 2 children. One 12 the same age as my son and the other is 18. My son and her son are very good friends, often spending days at each of our houses or having sleepovers.

But I don't agree with her parenting choices and I feel the effects they have on her children are also wearing on mine.

Example 1: she often leaves her son home alone for hours (for the past several years, not just since he's been 12). Sometimes her eldest is home upstairs on the 3rd floor, but never makes an appearance or spends time with the youngest to make sure he's ok. There have been numerous times when we have allowed our son to go to their house to play and the children were left home alone and we only found out about it after the fact.

Example 2: there is no regulation / monitoring of screens, iPads, phones, etc. The child has free reign to play whatever video games he wants for pretty much however long he wants. My son goes over to play and they spend the entire time on screens. My son knows he shouldn't be watching certain movies / tv programmes (he has quite bad anxiety) but often reports back to us saying how his friend has watched the whole series of Squid Games when it first came out and most recently watched the Jeffrey Dahlmer serial killer mini-series on Netflix. Both very gruesome and graphic. It makes me wonder what else he's watching!

Example 3: there's no enforcement of bedtimes. My son is in bed usually about 8:30, but sometimes at 9-10pm or later my sons phone which stays downstairs starts ringing with his friend calling or buzzing with late night messages. He's clearly not sleeping and is allowed to have the phone in the bedroom with him. In the summer our boys had a sleepover at her house and my son came home exhausted. It turns out that she tucked them in at 11:30 and went off to bed and slept solid the whole night while they stayed up on their phones and iPads until 3:30am!!! She got up and went to work the next morning and left cereal out for them when they woke up.

Example 4: she lets him come and go from the house when he likes. I was surprised to learn that at 8-9 he was leaving the house to ride / walk down a busy road about 10 mins away from home to go to the corner shop to get things.

Example 5: She always wants to do activities that require as little involvement from her as possible. Things like indoor / outdoor climbing which I view as a treat for my boy because it's often upwards of £25 per session. And that allows her to just sit there and have a coffee.

When she told me about the sleepover I was quite shocked because she was just so La Dee Da about the whole thing. When I said something along the lines of "oh gosh that's so late to be up gaming, she kind of laughed and said that maybe she should have checked to see if they had screens with them 🤦‍♀️ Then she brushed it off by saying oh but that's what being a kid and having sleepovers is all about.

I love her as a friend, our boys are great friends, but I don't agree with the way she just leaves her children to basically parent themselves. How do I approach this without offending her or ruining our friendship?

OP posts:
PMcGee · 22/10/2022 21:06

Goodness me just chill. No wonder your ds likes going there. It’s all part of growing up

Phineyj · 22/10/2022 21:16

In the nicest possible way (I have a younger child who sounds similar to yours) - you are the parent. This doesn't sound good for your son. Be the parent. Stop the visits and sleepovers. They can still be friends. It's pointless trying to discuss this with the mum. She's got a quite different child.

DC like your son and my daughter have emotional maturity about 2/3 of their calendar age. For goodness' sake listen to what your gut is telling you.

Nextlevelnonsense · 22/10/2022 21:17

If your son has autism and anxiety, then it is your job as a parent to understand his boundaries, and protect them.
It sounds as though their lifestyle isn't really in line with your son's needs, and it's not appropriate to expect them to change.

It really doesn't seem appropriate for your son to be there so often.

It sounds like he is being upset by something that should be knocked on the head.

Phineyj · 22/10/2022 21:30

Also I wanted to add that this is not a good friend. A good friend would be aware of your parenting and not go so obviously against it, even if she secretly thought you were a bit overprotective. And would care if your son was having a positive experience or not.

Did you have trouble making friends yourself as a DC? Has that made you overly reluctant to intervene?

Don't feel you have to answer that, but parenting can stir stuff up. It's worth thinking about.

Boredsoentertainme · 22/10/2022 21:36

Phineyj · 22/10/2022 21:30

Also I wanted to add that this is not a good friend. A good friend would be aware of your parenting and not go so obviously against it, even if she secretly thought you were a bit overprotective. And would care if your son was having a positive experience or not.

Did you have trouble making friends yourself as a DC? Has that made you overly reluctant to intervene?

Don't feel you have to answer that, but parenting can stir stuff up. It's worth thinking about.

Hang on. The op and her husband have the bigger responsibility to their own child. They know his needs, they know the situation, Christ she’s even now telling us her kid doesn’t like it and says he’s scared he will be murdered. Whilst also telling us they drop the child off and just assume the parents will stay even though they know they don’t.

the op has the bigger responsibility for her child.not the other kids parents. She needs to stop taking him there and just leaving him.

Oblomov22 · 22/10/2022 21:40

Massive drip feed to later say ds has adhd and asd. If he's frightened by watching scary stuff, then don't let him go, or get him to say he doesn't want to watch.

None of the rest of it bothered me. My 18 year old would/could be in the house and wouldn't even notice 14 year old, both in their own room playing their own x box.

Oblomov22 · 22/10/2022 21:49

Plus you have an only child. With sn.

She has 2 children, her eldest is 6 years older than your youngest. That changes the dynamics. If you have an older sibling, it's not unknown for that child to sometimes be more mature than their peers with no older sibling. My ds2 is (not always) mature compared to peers - I think mainly because he has an older brother.

And parents 'may' be more relaxed. I'm more relaxed than some other parents of ds2's peers, (if the peer is their first child) because he's my 2nd.

Mummyoflittledragon · 22/10/2022 22:05

Suggesting they come to you for part of the time at least is good and is something you can give your friend a heads up. You can also ask her if her ds can avoid the distressing games and programmes when your ds is around. I’d also express concern her ds is searching for porn, which is damaging to young minds.

My dd is 14 and I also think you should be backing off a bit from your ds. Nothing wrong with taking and watching an activity. I’m disabled so this is about what I’m able to do.

hiredandsqueak · 22/10/2022 22:18

If she has an eighteen year old already the chances are that she is far more relaxed second time round. I couldn't get worked up about anything you have problems with tbh. I think lots of parents would leave their child at home knowing the older sibling was upstairs should there be an emergency. Nobody expects much sleep when they have a sleepover.
You can't expect her to parent as you prefer because she has your son there so if you aren't happy with what happens there then you shouldn't allow your child to go round.

Thisisworsethananticpated · 22/10/2022 22:30

If your son has as and adhd
stop or reduce the sleepovers

but don’t say anything
it’s not your business to say anything
she’ll be offended and frankly I can’t blame her

SarahAndQuack · 22/10/2022 22:34

People are really different (and that includes children).

The issue that sticks out to me is the lack of monitoring of screens. Personally, I can't imagine letting my child watch the things you mention (I suppose that might change as my child gets older, but I doubt it!).

But ... leaving a child alone with another adult? Yep, I do that often. In fact I'm very happy to leave my 5 year old with her 15 year old babysitter for hours, as I trust the babysitter. No big deal.

Leaving a 12 year old alone, with a friend? Mmm, I think she ought to have made this clear to you, but it could be she didn't realise you wouldn't be ok with it. 12 is a perfectly fine age for (many) children to be home alone.

Not enforcing bedtime? Meh. It might well work for her. It's a non-issue.

Letting the child come and go? To me this sounds actively positive. 8-9 is a really good age to start gaining some independence, and going 10 minutes down the road to the corner shop sounds perfect.

Her sitting having a coffee while her children do an activity? Again, fine. My mum is mildly disabled, and she could never had run after me or climbed. During my childhood I had no idea she was disabled - that was just her. And I found it fine. I also think it is good for a child to learn that they can be independent and enjoy new experiences alone.

So, I think it's a mixture, but to me, there is only one real issue in there - the others are either judgment calls based on a child's maturity, or they're issues where I think you are assuming she's being lazy/uninterested, but she may actually just be keen to teach her child some independence.

FlibbertyGiblets · 22/10/2022 22:47

OK. I don't think their's is a suitable place for your kid to go unaccompanied any more. You already know that they do things differently there, and these differences don't chime with your way of doing things; have the sleepovers and get togethers at yours, re-assess in the spring.

BananaCocktails · 22/10/2022 22:50

Both her songs are teenagers ( well the 12 yo is almost a teenager ) are you are being entirely unreasonable
If you don’t like it don’t send your kid there , You will find that he will start going there anyway though as he gets older
Some of my friends parents had the weirdest parenting styles and neglectful however it did not rub off on me

Phineyj · 22/10/2022 22:51

@Boredsoentertainme I don't disagree, but I was struggling to imagine hosting a "good friend"'s child and being unaware of what the child was like, what my friend's preferences would be, etc.

I feel more responsible for other people's DC, not less!

AnnieSnap · 22/10/2022 22:56

I think you might want to reconsider your (far too early IMO) bedtime for your 12-year-old. As for the rest, your friend’s parenting is safe. If you are unhappy about your son experiencing it when he stays over, you will need to keep your son from doing so.

Gottagetthruthissss · 22/10/2022 23:00

Just don't let your son play with hers? You can't expect her to change her parenting style...

bigfamilygrowingupfast · 22/10/2022 23:05

NotRightNowNo · 22/10/2022 20:10

To be honest, a lot of this sounds like my parenting style. It's not lazy on my behalf, it's a conscious decision to let them understand they have a responsibility to themselves. In my profession I come across many young people who can't cope with life so I try very hard not to get involved in certain things to give the responsibility to them. I feel really strongly about it, and it is definitely not from laziness. My kids know they can talk to me about stuff, and if I put my foot down they listen, because I don't do it every day. I make my own parenting decisions, you make yours. But if you think her parenting is lazy you might be mistaken.

^^ this

It was the same approach my parents took

liveforsummer · 22/10/2022 23:15

It sounds as though their lifestyle isn't really in line with your son's needs, and it's not appropriate to expect them to change.

This - none of what you've said is a huge problem, esp for a dc with an adult sibling in the home. The second generally grows up a bit quicker. Some of the stuff you're complaining about like bed times and going through the shops my dd9 had been doing for some time. She's still out at clubs at 9pm some nights let alone tucked up asleep. If not think twice about her popping to the shop and I leave her with dd12 for short times too. The lifestyle clearly doesn't suit your ds though so it's on you that you've kept sending him knowing the high levels of anxiety he's experiencing there, that's he's been watching things he can't cope with and staying up later than he can manage. That's what you need to change going forward. Please don't raise issues with your friend as her dc sound perfectly happy with the status quo and you'll likely end up an ex friend

TheOrigRights · 22/10/2022 23:19

I don't agree with the watching of the scary films.
At 12 I would expect the parents of a child my son was spending time with to not allow them to watch the Dahmler thing (an 18 I think) or Squid Games (15, with sadistic violence). I've had to remind my adult son that it's not HIS decision as to what's suitable for his younger brother.

Example 5 - the advantage of your kids having friends over is that you get to sit and do bugger all for a bit, a rare treat for most parents! I can't think many 12 year olds would want their Mums joining in.

millymollymoomoo · 22/10/2022 23:20

I think you’re the one with the wrong parenting style personally

KalvinPhillipsBoots · 22/10/2022 23:22

hesaysimterrible · 22/10/2022 19:43

I have a good friend. She's very relaxed and blazé about things. Some may say she's a lazy mother (my DH does). She is 10 years older than me with 2 children. One 12 the same age as my son and the other is 18. My son and her son are very good friends, often spending days at each of our houses or having sleepovers.

But I don't agree with her parenting choices and I feel the effects they have on her children are also wearing on mine.

Example 1: she often leaves her son home alone for hours (for the past several years, not just since he's been 12). Sometimes her eldest is home upstairs on the 3rd floor, but never makes an appearance or spends time with the youngest to make sure he's ok. There have been numerous times when we have allowed our son to go to their house to play and the children were left home alone and we only found out about it after the fact.

Example 2: there is no regulation / monitoring of screens, iPads, phones, etc. The child has free reign to play whatever video games he wants for pretty much however long he wants. My son goes over to play and they spend the entire time on screens. My son knows he shouldn't be watching certain movies / tv programmes (he has quite bad anxiety) but often reports back to us saying how his friend has watched the whole series of Squid Games when it first came out and most recently watched the Jeffrey Dahlmer serial killer mini-series on Netflix. Both very gruesome and graphic. It makes me wonder what else he's watching!

Example 3: there's no enforcement of bedtimes. My son is in bed usually about 8:30, but sometimes at 9-10pm or later my sons phone which stays downstairs starts ringing with his friend calling or buzzing with late night messages. He's clearly not sleeping and is allowed to have the phone in the bedroom with him. In the summer our boys had a sleepover at her house and my son came home exhausted. It turns out that she tucked them in at 11:30 and went off to bed and slept solid the whole night while they stayed up on their phones and iPads until 3:30am!!! She got up and went to work the next morning and left cereal out for them when they woke up.

Example 4: she lets him come and go from the house when he likes. I was surprised to learn that at 8-9 he was leaving the house to ride / walk down a busy road about 10 mins away from home to go to the corner shop to get things.

Example 5: She always wants to do activities that require as little involvement from her as possible. Things like indoor / outdoor climbing which I view as a treat for my boy because it's often upwards of £25 per session. And that allows her to just sit there and have a coffee.

When she told me about the sleepover I was quite shocked because she was just so La Dee Da about the whole thing. When I said something along the lines of "oh gosh that's so late to be up gaming, she kind of laughed and said that maybe she should have checked to see if they had screens with them 🤦‍♀️ Then she brushed it off by saying oh but that's what being a kid and having sleepovers is all about.

I love her as a friend, our boys are great friends, but I don't agree with the way she just leaves her children to basically parent themselves. How do I approach this without offending her or ruining our friendship?

It's none of your concern 🙄

Lili132 · 22/10/2022 23:26

millymollymoomoo · 22/10/2022 23:20

I think you’re the one with the wrong parenting style personally

There is tons of research on negative impact of dangerous content and unlimited screens on kids.
But I'm not surprised about all defensive comments on this thread. I see it all the time when parents of older kids become lazy and leave kids to do whatever because they don't want to get into conflict. Much easier to just pretend that all is fine.

Cuppasoupmonster · 22/10/2022 23:31

Phineyj · 22/10/2022 21:30

Also I wanted to add that this is not a good friend. A good friend would be aware of your parenting and not go so obviously against it, even if she secretly thought you were a bit overprotective. And would care if your son was having a positive experience or not.

Did you have trouble making friends yourself as a DC? Has that made you overly reluctant to intervene?

Don't feel you have to answer that, but parenting can stir stuff up. It's worth thinking about.

😆

Good friends have to copy your parenting methods? Are you for real?

OP your options are
a) let your son go over or
b) don’t let your son go over

She’s a relaxed parent but you in no way get to ‘advise her’ or ‘chat to her’ about her parenting. You don’t need to be ‘comfortable’ with it, she does. Maybe she wouldn’t be ‘comfortable’ with your parenting style?

FiveOClockSomewhere · 22/10/2022 23:36

Weirdlynormal · 22/10/2022 19:45

Mind your own business maybe?

😂😂😂😂

Tomatopasta · 23/10/2022 00:35

I agree there isn’t much you could say to her that wouldn’t cause her to become offended. Activities, expensive or otherwise don’t always need to be supervised, this is a non issue. Nothing wrong with her having a coffee and sit down.

If your son become anxious or worried I don’t see why you continue to allow him to stay…? If you’re happy to host sleepovers and his mother allows it, then you can parent your child how you see fit and implement the rules you think are appropriate in your own house. I think this is the most reasonable solution.

The bottom line is that you don’t have to understand or agree with her parenting choices, and approaching this with her, will most likely damage your relationship or end it.