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Don't agree with my friends parenting style. What to do?

127 replies

hesaysimterrible · 22/10/2022 19:43

I have a good friend. She's very relaxed and blazé about things. Some may say she's a lazy mother (my DH does). She is 10 years older than me with 2 children. One 12 the same age as my son and the other is 18. My son and her son are very good friends, often spending days at each of our houses or having sleepovers.

But I don't agree with her parenting choices and I feel the effects they have on her children are also wearing on mine.

Example 1: she often leaves her son home alone for hours (for the past several years, not just since he's been 12). Sometimes her eldest is home upstairs on the 3rd floor, but never makes an appearance or spends time with the youngest to make sure he's ok. There have been numerous times when we have allowed our son to go to their house to play and the children were left home alone and we only found out about it after the fact.

Example 2: there is no regulation / monitoring of screens, iPads, phones, etc. The child has free reign to play whatever video games he wants for pretty much however long he wants. My son goes over to play and they spend the entire time on screens. My son knows he shouldn't be watching certain movies / tv programmes (he has quite bad anxiety) but often reports back to us saying how his friend has watched the whole series of Squid Games when it first came out and most recently watched the Jeffrey Dahlmer serial killer mini-series on Netflix. Both very gruesome and graphic. It makes me wonder what else he's watching!

Example 3: there's no enforcement of bedtimes. My son is in bed usually about 8:30, but sometimes at 9-10pm or later my sons phone which stays downstairs starts ringing with his friend calling or buzzing with late night messages. He's clearly not sleeping and is allowed to have the phone in the bedroom with him. In the summer our boys had a sleepover at her house and my son came home exhausted. It turns out that she tucked them in at 11:30 and went off to bed and slept solid the whole night while they stayed up on their phones and iPads until 3:30am!!! She got up and went to work the next morning and left cereal out for them when they woke up.

Example 4: she lets him come and go from the house when he likes. I was surprised to learn that at 8-9 he was leaving the house to ride / walk down a busy road about 10 mins away from home to go to the corner shop to get things.

Example 5: She always wants to do activities that require as little involvement from her as possible. Things like indoor / outdoor climbing which I view as a treat for my boy because it's often upwards of £25 per session. And that allows her to just sit there and have a coffee.

When she told me about the sleepover I was quite shocked because she was just so La Dee Da about the whole thing. When I said something along the lines of "oh gosh that's so late to be up gaming, she kind of laughed and said that maybe she should have checked to see if they had screens with them 🤦‍♀️ Then she brushed it off by saying oh but that's what being a kid and having sleepovers is all about.

I love her as a friend, our boys are great friends, but I don't agree with the way she just leaves her children to basically parent themselves. How do I approach this without offending her or ruining our friendship?

OP posts:
1FootInTheRave · 23/10/2022 18:05

I am judging your parenting more than hers tbh.

830pm for a 12yo?

Bet he loves going to theirs for a sleepover.

Phineyj · 23/10/2022 18:06

But the OP wasn't asking for that? She felt 3.30am and no monitoring of viewing at all was too much.

Surely there's a happy medium.

Anyway, I doubt OP will be back what with the pile on!

Courgettecity · 23/10/2022 18:21

Well my 11 yr old goes to bed at 8:30! Older two did as well at that age, iPads etc can also be set to automatically stop certain apps at set time. I use that.

So as OP can probably tell from all this, parent styles can be different or similar and we all stand by our styles as that’s what we believe in. I don’t feel it’s your place to tell her the ‘right’ way to do it, as she believes she is. If you have such a problem with it, then you have to just stop your son being exposed to it, by not letting him have sleep overs.

WakingUpDistress · 23/10/2022 20:17

1FootInTheRave · 23/10/2022 18:05

I am judging your parenting more than hers tbh.

830pm for a 12yo?

Bet he loves going to theirs for a sleepover.

At 12yo, my dcs were in bed by 7.30pm still…. And up at 7.00am
They didntt complain about it and slowly moved their bed time later. They are nearly adult/adult now and are in bed between 10.00pm and 10,30pm. Occasionally 11.00pm.

Ive tried to teach them to go to bed when they were tired rather than a set time. 7.30pm at 12yo was what they needed then.

I never stopped them from going to sleepover because they went to bed at 3.00am. That was a given fir me that this is what would happen.
(they also still don’t particularly like to go to bed late. In their own words ‘I feel like I’m loosing the whole day afterwards. I don’t like it’)

The two are not incompatible iyswim

Secondtimemama32 · 23/10/2022 20:24

teathyme · 22/10/2022 20:18

I don't understand why it's wrong that the friend sits and drinks coffee whilst her ds does an activity. No 12 year old needs helicopter parenting during a leisure activity.

This...

Mummyoflittledragon · 23/10/2022 20:50

WakingUpDistress · 23/10/2022 20:17

At 12yo, my dcs were in bed by 7.30pm still…. And up at 7.00am
They didntt complain about it and slowly moved their bed time later. They are nearly adult/adult now and are in bed between 10.00pm and 10,30pm. Occasionally 11.00pm.

Ive tried to teach them to go to bed when they were tired rather than a set time. 7.30pm at 12yo was what they needed then.

I never stopped them from going to sleepover because they went to bed at 3.00am. That was a given fir me that this is what would happen.
(they also still don’t particularly like to go to bed late. In their own words ‘I feel like I’m loosing the whole day afterwards. I don’t like it’)

The two are not incompatible iyswim

Wow that’s early. Your dcs are the anomaly, not the other way round. My 14 yo used to get home from activities once or twice a week at 9pm at that age. Now it’s 10pm.

LadyMonicaBaddingham · 23/10/2022 21:06

Keep your beak out of her decisions and take responsibility for your own parenting. If you don't want your DC exposed to something that you don't approve of (and I agree with you in this case), then don't allow them to be in a position where they will be...

Livelovebehappy · 23/10/2022 22:35

Mummyoflittledragon · 22/10/2022 22:05

Suggesting they come to you for part of the time at least is good and is something you can give your friend a heads up. You can also ask her if her ds can avoid the distressing games and programmes when your ds is around. I’d also express concern her ds is searching for porn, which is damaging to young minds.

My dd is 14 and I also think you should be backing off a bit from your ds. Nothing wrong with taking and watching an activity. I’m disabled so this is about what I’m able to do.

But there is no evidence that her DS is searching for porn? OP has said she is worried in case that might transpire in the future if her ds’s friend is currently watching stuff not deemed appropriate. It would be wrong to imply to his mum that he’s watching porn, when there’s absolutely no indication he is.

Readytoplay · 23/10/2022 22:51

DC like your son and my daughter have emotional maturity about 2/3 of their calendar age. For goodness' sake listen to what your gut is telling you.

that’s a massive (harmful) misconception about ND people. So I, in theory, am 15? didn’t think so.

Kaliflower · 23/10/2022 23:21

I'm with you OP. I'd not be having him sleepover there any more. You can't change her parenting style so just stop the overnights. Also, a 12yo going out at 9pm alone?? Yeah, don't think so.

Kaliflower · 23/10/2022 23:25

Courgettecity · 23/10/2022 18:21

Well my 11 yr old goes to bed at 8:30! Older two did as well at that age, iPads etc can also be set to automatically stop certain apps at set time. I use that.

So as OP can probably tell from all this, parent styles can be different or similar and we all stand by our styles as that’s what we believe in. I don’t feel it’s your place to tell her the ‘right’ way to do it, as she believes she is. If you have such a problem with it, then you have to just stop your son being exposed to it, by not letting him have sleep overs.

Yeah my 12 yo is in bed by 8.30pm most nights. If they're up any later they are so tired in the mornings. Sleepovers are obviously different.

9HrsSleep · 23/10/2022 23:34

Everyone parents differently and you have every right to ensure your child is being supervised in a way that you're comfortable with when he's at another person's house. If I were in your situation I'd insist the boys play/have sleep overs at your house from now on, until your son is a little older. If your friend has an issue with that, then that's life. Your son... your rules. Simple!

TheWolves · 23/10/2022 23:41

Just from the title alone, mind your business. It's a saying for a reason. All you'll do is cause drama and she'll become more entrenched in her worldview.

NoodleSoup12 · 24/10/2022 01:08

Hi OP,
I think your friend actually sounds like she has a lovely, relaxed, “hands off” parenting style — like the Scandinavians! It’s a style that (hopefully) can produce independent, confident kids. I like that they were able to enjoy a sleepover (really it was so exciting to be that age and stay up! It was wild!!) and climb on their own (with her present, watching from a distance — the best way to oversee, as hovering close by is likely to cause anxiety ie the kid will think “what’s wrong? Is this dangerous??”). I understand your son doesn’t like when they go out — but are you implying to him that it is unsafe? Do you live in an area where someone is likely to break into an occupied house during the day? I hope not, as that would be scary! It might be a good thing to encourage him not to be afraid, and to enjoy this independence.

I would say though that it’s up to you to draw any boundaries you’d like, to ask if she would make sure x y z happens. Why not? It’s not confrontational, as long as you don’t make it about her “parenting style” but about your preferences. For me, it would be the TV I would ask about, because for some kids those shows can be more disconcerting than for other kids. And I would turn your son’s phone off after 8, so you don’t have to hear it pinging!

Phineyj · 24/10/2022 08:16

@Readytoplay presumably you're an adult? We're talking about a 12 year old.

Everyone grows up but 12 year olds can vary enormously. In a year group of year 7s (assuming that's what these boys are) you get some who are quite autonomous and can organise themselves and think through the consequences of their decisions (for instance say, hey, I don't want to watch that, or I'm tired now) and some who are basically still little kids.

You see it all the time on here. People wondering how they can get after school care for their year 7 and others lambasting them because their year 7 is fine on their own with a door key.

I'm not going to generalise on behalf of all ND people but my own DC is certainly on the more impulsive/more anxious end. Maybe the OP's is.

FlawlessSquid · 11/02/2023 14:37

sounds mostly ok, just avoid sleep over. at 12, 8:30 bedtime seems almost impossible.

thefactsarefriendly · 11/02/2023 16:14

That's a parent with poor boundaries. I'd keep my children away.

5128gap · 11/02/2023 18:20

Some things matter, some don't. For me the things that matter are the things that keep them safe and out of trouble. So, being left alone in the house for several hours would be a no. Going out to the shop at 9pm also a no. Staying up till 3am on a sleep over, no problem. More screens than normally allowed because it's a sleep over, also no problem.
You need to be tactful if you value her friendship so I'd pick your battles and speak to her only about the things that are important, and obviously only where it concerns your child. So, 'Friend, DS isnt allowed to go to the shop at night or stay home alone as I don't trust him to be sensible enough to stay safe yet'.
Or only allow the sleepovers at yours.

Moobae · 12/02/2023 05:04

i actually agree with you, her parenting sucks but it isn’t your business to say anything

YerArseInParsley · 20/04/2023 01:33

You don't approach it, it's not your business. You now know what happens on sleepovers so don't allow your child to go again, if asked why just say because you don't like your child staying up until all hours.

Don't you think 8.30pm bedtime for a 12yr old is a bit too early? Fgs he's nearly a teenager, you sound like you are shielding your own child a bit too much and I suspect you won't like being told this as it's none of my business, the same way it's none of your business how another parent parents.

Phoebo · 20/04/2023 01:42

It's unfortunately none of your business and she won't care what you think anyway. I'd probably restrict my child going over there unless you are there too. You could say what the rules are for your son top, but I doubt she'll care

Pubesofsoberness · 20/04/2023 02:55

Well that was a huge drip feed, why on earth are you letting him go there if it causes him anxiety?

My parenting style is similar to hers and it worked well with my older 2 who are now adults.

My 12 year old didn't get in from youth club until getting on for 8.30 , not sure what some of the posters on here would do if they were single parents with younger dc. Keep the child in until they are 16 probably

Liorae · 20/04/2023 03:29

outtheshowernow · 22/10/2022 19:59

I sometimes wonder if all the anxiety in kids these days is because the parents are anxious

Of course it is - the parents project their own anxiety onto the kids. It's like a mental health Munchausen Syndrome By Proxy.

ShandaLear · 20/04/2023 04:33

MooseAndSquirrelLoveFlannel · 22/10/2022 20:02

Her parenting sounds absolutely fine to me.

You sound really uptight.

Also, cant quite believe your 12yo goes to bed at 8.30pm!

On a side note, my kids have been walking to our local shops alone since about 8yo although it's only a 5 minute walk.

Agree. I kind of feel sorry for your 12 year old. Is she perfect? No, but it sounds to me like she’s raising a confident, happy, and trustworthy child. They’re 12, almost teenagers, in secondary school, not 6. They don’t want mum fussing round them all day. They want to do things like climbing and stay up as long as you can sleepovers, play games, etc

pinkfondu · 20/04/2023 05:18

You need to turn your sons phone off at night!

Sleepovers are not for sleeping!