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Don't agree with my friends parenting style. What to do?

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hesaysimterrible · 22/10/2022 19:43

I have a good friend. She's very relaxed and blazé about things. Some may say she's a lazy mother (my DH does). She is 10 years older than me with 2 children. One 12 the same age as my son and the other is 18. My son and her son are very good friends, often spending days at each of our houses or having sleepovers.

But I don't agree with her parenting choices and I feel the effects they have on her children are also wearing on mine.

Example 1: she often leaves her son home alone for hours (for the past several years, not just since he's been 12). Sometimes her eldest is home upstairs on the 3rd floor, but never makes an appearance or spends time with the youngest to make sure he's ok. There have been numerous times when we have allowed our son to go to their house to play and the children were left home alone and we only found out about it after the fact.

Example 2: there is no regulation / monitoring of screens, iPads, phones, etc. The child has free reign to play whatever video games he wants for pretty much however long he wants. My son goes over to play and they spend the entire time on screens. My son knows he shouldn't be watching certain movies / tv programmes (he has quite bad anxiety) but often reports back to us saying how his friend has watched the whole series of Squid Games when it first came out and most recently watched the Jeffrey Dahlmer serial killer mini-series on Netflix. Both very gruesome and graphic. It makes me wonder what else he's watching!

Example 3: there's no enforcement of bedtimes. My son is in bed usually about 8:30, but sometimes at 9-10pm or later my sons phone which stays downstairs starts ringing with his friend calling or buzzing with late night messages. He's clearly not sleeping and is allowed to have the phone in the bedroom with him. In the summer our boys had a sleepover at her house and my son came home exhausted. It turns out that she tucked them in at 11:30 and went off to bed and slept solid the whole night while they stayed up on their phones and iPads until 3:30am!!! She got up and went to work the next morning and left cereal out for them when they woke up.

Example 4: she lets him come and go from the house when he likes. I was surprised to learn that at 8-9 he was leaving the house to ride / walk down a busy road about 10 mins away from home to go to the corner shop to get things.

Example 5: She always wants to do activities that require as little involvement from her as possible. Things like indoor / outdoor climbing which I view as a treat for my boy because it's often upwards of £25 per session. And that allows her to just sit there and have a coffee.

When she told me about the sleepover I was quite shocked because she was just so La Dee Da about the whole thing. When I said something along the lines of "oh gosh that's so late to be up gaming, she kind of laughed and said that maybe she should have checked to see if they had screens with them 🤦‍♀️ Then she brushed it off by saying oh but that's what being a kid and having sleepovers is all about.

I love her as a friend, our boys are great friends, but I don't agree with the way she just leaves her children to basically parent themselves. How do I approach this without offending her or ruining our friendship?

OP posts:
Kanaloa · 22/10/2022 20:05

I’m not saying she’s awful - but I wouldn’t be packing my child off to a sleepover to watch Dahmer on Netflix and be left unsupervised for hours and I do think it’s lazy/bad parenting to let your 12 year old have free reign basically.

Other stuff like walking to the shops is obviously just normal.

teathyme · 22/10/2022 20:05

Something tells me that the friend's son wouldn't want a sleepover in OPs house...

NotRightNowNo · 22/10/2022 20:10

To be honest, a lot of this sounds like my parenting style. It's not lazy on my behalf, it's a conscious decision to let them understand they have a responsibility to themselves. In my profession I come across many young people who can't cope with life so I try very hard not to get involved in certain things to give the responsibility to them. I feel really strongly about it, and it is definitely not from laziness. My kids know they can talk to me about stuff, and if I put my foot down they listen, because I don't do it every day. I make my own parenting decisions, you make yours. But if you think her parenting is lazy you might be mistaken.

Boredsoentertainme · 22/10/2022 20:14

Also op I think you need to think about your parenting style, why’s your 12 year old in bed by 8.30? Do you think you’re infantilising him and not allowing him to grow up? Do you not allow him to go to the shops, spend time alone and control his screen time?

also I don’t get point five are you jealous her kid gets to do stuff you can’t afford for yours? The kids are 12 not 2.

I think possibly you and your husband need to look inwards now and get your own shit sorted. It doesn’t sound healthy for your son and very controlling

TinaYouFatLard · 22/10/2022 20:15

I bet your DS bloody loves being there.

Foolsandtheirmoney · 22/10/2022 20:16

NotRightNowNo · 22/10/2022 20:10

To be honest, a lot of this sounds like my parenting style. It's not lazy on my behalf, it's a conscious decision to let them understand they have a responsibility to themselves. In my profession I come across many young people who can't cope with life so I try very hard not to get involved in certain things to give the responsibility to them. I feel really strongly about it, and it is definitely not from laziness. My kids know they can talk to me about stuff, and if I put my foot down they listen, because I don't do it every day. I make my own parenting decisions, you make yours. But if you think her parenting is lazy you might be mistaken.

Yeah I'm kind of the same to be honest. Natural consequences. At 12 if my dd chooses to stay up until late she'll be tired the next day, she still has to do whatever she has to do but has to do it tired. Either she'll decide its a good trade off or she'll stop staying up late. You watch something scary and get scared? Well next time you'll make better viewing choices. If she wanted to walk to the shop 5mins away at 8 then off with her, she knows the way, she can cross a road, she's 12 and has been doing it since she can walk. I leave her home alone when she doesn't want to come with us, she's 12.

She's a confident 12 year old, knows her own abilities and her responsibilities. It's doing her no harm at all.

hesaysimterrible · 22/10/2022 20:17

Thank you all for some of your helpful advice and others for your snarky comments. It helps to teach me to grow a thicker skin as I can take things like that quite personally because I have ADHD and am not NT.

To clarify I do not want to change her parenting style. I was not meaning for it to sound like I was asking for advice on how to address her parenting style with her kids. What she does is up to her and I'm really not that bothered by most of it when it's with her kids. Perhaps the way I worded it (because I have ADHD and can tend to be quite detailed to paint a story makes it sound that way) I was more just wanting to understand if there was a gentle way I could mention in conversation that I was not necessarily comfortable with the children being at home all day on their own, or some of the other things that impact him. My son has ADHD and is autistic. He has bad anxiety and also picks up on other children's bad habits because he is not NT and doesn't understand that those things are not always acceptable. My son has also told me he does not like to be home alone when they're there because he always thinks someone is going to break in and kill them. We drop him off there with one parent there and are led to believe that that parent will be there, but then they disappear an hour later for 3-4hrs and he's not comfortable there.

The screen time thing isn't a massive issue for me, but it's more the unmonitored graphic things that he's watching that he then tells my son about that makes my son anxious. And it worries me that if he's watching that kind of thing (the Jefferey Dahlmer series and Squid games when he was 11 and my son was 10) then is he searching for porn and other things as well and feeding back to my son?

As for bedtimes during the school week my son in his room by 8:30 and will stay up and read until 9-9:30. But it's the constant pinging of my sons phone downstairs and then the comments from my son the next day saying why does X get to stay up until 11:30 with his phone. Obviously my house my rules, so I deal with it like that.

Anyways, I will just try and have both boys over here more often if I can. I don't mind them staying up until 12-1 or going out on their own riding bikes to the shop and doing things either now that they're 12. I'm not really the buzz kill that many of you seem to think I am. I'll try and loosen up a bit more though 👍🏻

OP posts:
teathyme · 22/10/2022 20:18

I don't understand why it's wrong that the friend sits and drinks coffee whilst her ds does an activity. No 12 year old needs helicopter parenting during a leisure activity.

Foolsandtheirmoney · 22/10/2022 20:19

My kids know they can talk to me about stuff, and if I put my foot down they listen, because I don't do it every day.

I missed this point and to me it's probably the most important. I let her do so much that when I don't let her do something like go to the teen disco where I know there is drink and drugs, she doesn't question it. She knows when I say no it's for a reason and she listens and trusts me. Her friends whose parents don't even let them hand out and get chicken nuggets together don't have the same open respectful relationship that I have with dd.

Boredsoentertainme · 22/10/2022 20:20

Sigh. There it is the drip feed.

teathyme · 22/10/2022 20:21

MASSIVE drip feed there OP. You really need to stop allowing your ds to go around if it's impacting him so badly. You really cannot impose your household rules on anyone else.

Feelinglikeachange22 · 22/10/2022 20:22

I don't understand the climbing thing? Nothing wrong with spectating whilst your kid does some supervised climbing. I often do this at places like ninja warrior, climbing inflatable parks. I'm not going around after them when there's a chance of a coffee and a rest.

You sound on the strict Helicopter side and she sounds a bit lax. There's probably a happy medium between both of your parenting styles. 12 is fairly independent imo. But some guidance needed.

MissMaple82 · 22/10/2022 20:24

A 12 year olds bedtime is 8.30 ?

ArnoldBee · 22/10/2022 20:26

My son is 10 and has never had an enforced bedtime. This is because he self-regulates really well and will go to sleep when he's tired, has the right amount of sleep, gets up in plenty of time and puts in 110% effort at school. His friends are jealous however this approach works for him. His friends need something different and it's recognising that different kids need different boundaries.

CallTheMobWife · 22/10/2022 20:26

hesaysimterrible · 22/10/2022 19:46

But it is my business when it involves my son Confused

But it only involves your son when you allow it to. If you don't like what happens in their house, you don't send your son to that house. It's really very simple.

MissMaple82 · 22/10/2022 20:27

hesaysimterrible · 22/10/2022 19:46

But it is my business when it involves my son Confused

You can't order her to parent differently to suit you!! You sound delusional

hesaysimterrible · 22/10/2022 20:28

Thank you @MissMaple82 - I will go get checked out! 👍🏻

OP posts:
Boredsoentertainme · 22/10/2022 20:29

Agree if your son is autistic suffers clinical anxiety and has other issues, is telling uou he thinks he will be murdered there and doesn’t like it there, stop dropping him 0ff at this house and just assuming a parent will stay and then buggering off and leaving him there.

MissMaple82 · 22/10/2022 20:30

And yes, you absolutely are trying to tell her how to parent, however you want to word it, that is exactly what your aim is..

PinkSyCo · 22/10/2022 20:30

Wow with friends like you…….! If you’re so against the way your ‘friend’ parents how about you keep your son at home and look after him yourself?

NC12345665 · 22/10/2022 20:30

Drip
Drip
Drip

titchy · 22/10/2022 20:33

She’s letting him be exposed to really inappropriate content and it raises the question of whether she’s aware of other things he’s viewing too. As a parent part of your job is to make sure your child isn’t being exposed to inappropriate content both on TV and online and if you’re neglecting that it is lazy.

All of which applies equally to OP, who lets her son have sleepovers there despite being left alone/having unlimited screens/staying up late/watching unsuitable stuff on numerous occasions!

Kanaloa · 22/10/2022 20:39

titchy · 22/10/2022 20:33

She’s letting him be exposed to really inappropriate content and it raises the question of whether she’s aware of other things he’s viewing too. As a parent part of your job is to make sure your child isn’t being exposed to inappropriate content both on TV and online and if you’re neglecting that it is lazy.

All of which applies equally to OP, who lets her son have sleepovers there despite being left alone/having unlimited screens/staying up late/watching unsuitable stuff on numerous occasions!

Of course - which is why I said that op needs to take responsibility for her child and not expect other parents to do so. But I think it’s a bit daft to say she’s an example of a good and engaged parent. She isn’t.

BernadetteRostankowskiWolowitz · 22/10/2022 20:50

Turn your sons phone off when he goes to bed.

Stop him going around there - he clearly doesn't enjoy it so why do it?

AmyFl · 22/10/2022 21:06

None of that stuff matters