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New boyfriend is having female holiday friend come to stay

719 replies

Flaxseedblueberry · 28/09/2022 19:21

I’m embarrassed about how upset I am about this….

The situation is I’ve been seeing someone for 5 months. He’s great fun to be with and I really enjoy his company. He ticks nearly all the boxes of what I’m looking for. When we are together we get on fantastically, he’s been supportive over difficulties I have had with my ex and the sex is great. It’s been tricky coordinating diaries as we are both busy and I don’t always get the sense that he’s desperate to see me although he’s very good at keeping in text contact.

He went on a family adventure holiday for 2.5 weeks in August. He got friendly with another family - a single mum and her daughter who is the same age as his son. A couple of weeks ago he messaged to say she’d asked if she and her daughter could come to stay with him over half term (apparently he had said if she was ever in the area she should visit) and he wanted to know my thoughts before responding.

I felt totally sick at the thought but took some time to respond after getting opinions from friends who were unanimous that they wouldn’t like this either. (I needed friends views as I don’t always trust my feelings after being gaslighted by my ex for years.)

Anyway I responded and said sorry but it’s a deal breaker for me.It’s not even just that I would worry that something would go on between them, it’s also that this other woman would be getting quality time with him in a way that hasn’t come readily to me.

I think he was very surprised as he’d expected me to say I was fine with it. We had a long chat about whether we were right for each other as he feels he doesn’t always say the right things. He said he’d not given this woman an answer one way or the other and I thought/hoped it was just going to be dropped as a plan.

Then he seemed to really step up the effort and arranged a weekend away. We had an amazing time and got on so well. But as he dropped me back home I thought I should double check about the visit. Then he told me that he’d had a conversation with this woman several days prior and said she could come.

I feel absolutely devastated and since then my mood and anxiety have been awful. I’m so upset we went away and had lots of intimacy when he had already made a decision to do something I’d told him was a dealbreaker. I asked when he was planning to tell me and he said when I asked or nearer to the time. I feel like my feelings are not important to him. However I didn’t want to overreact so I’ve sat on it for the last week or so. I’ve seen him once since and I didn’t mention it and our text chats are mostly fun and lighthearted.

But I can’t sleep, I’m preoccupied with this and I feel utterly worthless. I feel if I say something he will say we are not compatible so I have to put up with this if I want the relationship to continue. He said he said yes to her as he had to be ‘true to himself’.

He has since said I could come and meet this woman but as he doesn’t want me to meet his son yet (as it’s early days which I understand, and I haven’t introduced my kids yet) I think he will backtrack on that nearer the time. I know nothing about her, not even her name let alone what she’s like, if she’s single or what she looks like. I can’t imagine meeting some bloke on holiday then arranging a visit but he tells me this is completely normal and most people do it and would be fine with it.

Sorry it’s long but I d be grateful for any advice as I don’t think I can cope with being this anxious for the next few weeks. My life is pretty difficult in a number of other ways and I just want some happiness and safety. Please be kind as I’m feeling sad and vulnerable.

OP posts:
birder · 01/10/2022 10:09

Most women hand their personalities in at 40

He needs to be dumped for that alone.

WisherWood · 01/10/2022 10:13

‘most women hand their personalities in at 40’

This is the kind of man I avoid spending any time with at all, let alone dating. It's both ageist and sexist. He isn't a good person OP.

Prior to my current relationship, I had relationships with a couple of men who just weren't suitable for me. They weren't evil. But they were both quite self centred and self serving. They just didn't value me in the way I wanted to be valued. Now I'm with someone who does value me and the difference is so clear that I do wonder why on earth I put up with those two. You don't have to believe he's an evil, manipulative arsehole but it's very clear that he is damaging to you.

And I agree with PP - you are not going to get closure by meeting with him. He isn't going to give you that. He won't suddenly see the light and say how amazing you are and how he's missing out, unless he thinks that by doing so he might get a shag out of it.

Obviously I can't stop you meeting him but do be very clear and realistic about what you want from it and what it's likely to achieve.

wellhelloitsme · 01/10/2022 10:20

Flaxseedblueberry · 01/10/2022 08:35

I suppose I don’t believe he is evil. I think he is selfish and has different standards and priorities to me but I don’t think he set out to hurt me. Maybe I’m naïve but I just want a civilised conversation at the end. Our other conversations when I’ve raised something have been calm and mutually respectful so I don’t think this will be a surprise or a disastrous conversation to have. I could be wrong but I can’t just ghost or send a text after 5 months.

I don't think he's 'evil' but I think he's someone who has lied easily to you at least twice (age and woman staying), done so in order to shag you for a weekend knowing you wouldn't have if he was honest, told you your boundaries are silly and makes you feel anxious and unhappy.

Someone doesn't have to be 'evil' or fundamentally awful to be bad for your emotional health.

No good can come from meeting him. He'll talk you round, you'll keep dating him, you'll try to be 'cool girl' to keep him interested and he'll keep doing whatever makes him happy.

And to answer your earlier question, that is how men get away with bad behaviour.

Versus you messaging you say "I've had a think and this isn't working for me so I want to draw a line under our relationship. Thanks for some nice times and all the best." Then blocking him and giving yourself the chance to not be anxious and have the opportunity to meet someone who makes you feel happy, calm and secure.

wellhelloitsme · 01/10/2022 10:23

He told me he has an issue with getting older but also that ‘most women hand their personalities in at 40’ which obviously was another red flag I ignored.

Jesus Christ.

Translation: 'Most women in their 40s know what they want, have clear boundaries, are more experienced and less likely to put up with men being wankers.'

Hence him wanting to date women younger than that.

Honestly OP, he's a right wanker.

Just because your ex is a 10/10 arsehole doesn't mean you should date 7/10 arseholes.

SquirrelSoShiny · 01/10/2022 10:59

The more you write the worse I think of him. People here can see him pretty clearly. Listen or don't listen. Your choice but really after five months your feelings should be higher up the scale🤷‍♀️ He's showing you exactly who he is and what you mean to him, which is not a lot. If you're happy to accept his cookie crumbs, by all means hang in there.

TortugaRumCakeQueen · 01/10/2022 11:14

wellhelloitsme · 01/10/2022 10:23

He told me he has an issue with getting older but also that ‘most women hand their personalities in at 40’ which obviously was another red flag I ignored.

Jesus Christ.

Translation: 'Most women in their 40s know what they want, have clear boundaries, are more experienced and less likely to put up with men being wankers.'

Hence him wanting to date women younger than that.

Honestly OP, he's a right wanker.

Just because your ex is a 10/10 arsehole doesn't mean you should date 7/10 arseholes.

Yep! The amount of crap I put up with in my 30's was ridiculous. Now I'm 52, they wouldn't last 10 seconds.

This guy wants to date younger women that he can manipulate.

This is your first Test.

billy1966 · 01/10/2022 11:50

birder · 01/10/2022 10:09

Most women hand their personalities in at 40

He needs to be dumped for that alone.

What a statement 🙄.

Shouldn't be surprised, consistent with a manipulative liar that lies about his age and then lies by omission......neglecting to mention he doesn't give a shit that she has said something is a deal breaker, will just carry on with his plans, not say a word and get several weekend shags in before the truth emerges🙄.

OP you are just out of an abusive relationship with an evil man, do you think it might be helpful to look at you and your decision making?

Life isn't going to improve when you keep accepting the company of arseholes who are telling you who they are.

He certainly has.🤷🏻‍♀️

roestbruin · 01/10/2022 12:19

OP We get it, you're so besotted with him and he makes you feel awful, so to stop the pain for a minute you' re choosing to give him yet another opportunity to gaslight you.

It'll be fine, he'll be perfectly nice to you whilst screwing you over, just like when you went away for a weekend.
You say he's not nasty or willingly hurting you: of course not! His priority is himself, not wondering wether he hurts you or not. He'll just take what he wants, and you'll be left confused and hurt, for as long as you let him. It's embarrassing but it's your choice at the end of the day.

A lot of us have been there, that's why you're getting such great advice on your thread - starting with @idonotmind most excellent very first answer to your OP. Everyone sees where this is going. No judgement but with a little self-respect it doesn't have to be like this.

Here's an idea; why don't you go and do something nice instead of going to meet this creep man for another serving of bullshit? You'd thank yourself later.

@witchyw I really hope it's a fib. And I suppose in this creep's head everyone uses their kids like that all the time right? 🤑

Bibonelove · 01/10/2022 12:48

Hell NO!!! Hes putting the feelings of some stranger before you! You deserve better x

Sandra1984 · 01/10/2022 13:05

I see the OP opening a new thread in a few weeks, this time something about her boyfriend going to visit this woman or some rubbish thing he did again.

wellhelloitsme · 01/10/2022 13:08

And OP I'm sorry if it feels like we are having a go at you, it's just you sound lovely and people don't want you to end up getting more hurt by a wanker. Even if you do meet up with him, you can always come back here for support. We're on your side it's just tough love Flowers

witchyw · 01/10/2022 13:40

Bibonelove · 01/10/2022 12:48

Hell NO!!! Hes putting the feelings of some stranger before you! You deserve better x

Indeed
Even if this is a platonic relationship and the blatant manipulation was just a misunderstanding 🐖 ✈️ then he's still primroses his status with the holiday woman over his supposed girlfriend

roestbruin · 01/10/2022 13:43

What @wellhelloitsme says OP.

Flaxseedblueberry · 01/10/2022 13:51

wellhelloitsme · 01/10/2022 13:08

And OP I'm sorry if it feels like we are having a go at you, it's just you sound lovely and people don't want you to end up getting more hurt by a wanker. Even if you do meet up with him, you can always come back here for support. We're on your side it's just tough love Flowers

Thank you. I do appreciate the advice and everyone’s time in offering it. I will be sticking to my boundaries and feel much more empowered to do so thanks to this thread.

OP posts:
Mumofnarnia · 01/10/2022 14:04

What F’s me off is I don’t think its even to do with his so-called belief that women hand their personalities at 40! I’ve been on dating sites where many men lie about their age and their reasons for doing so is basically because they want a younger woman because they find them more ‘attractive’…. Period! I would be running for the hills!

witchyw · 01/10/2022 14:07

Indeed
We don't hand our personalities in at 40. He means looks

DaughterofDawn · 01/10/2022 14:11

Flaxseedblueberry · 01/10/2022 08:35

I suppose I don’t believe he is evil. I think he is selfish and has different standards and priorities to me but I don’t think he set out to hurt me. Maybe I’m naïve but I just want a civilised conversation at the end. Our other conversations when I’ve raised something have been calm and mutually respectful so I don’t think this will be a surprise or a disastrous conversation to have. I could be wrong but I can’t just ghost or send a text after 5 months.

I realize this is an extreme example but... my father beat the absolute sh*t out of me and locked me in the closet on a regular basis but he wasn't rubbing his hands together with an evil laugh. It's the ones that don't seem evil that hurt us the most.

He actually loved me in his sick and twisted way. He truly believed deep in his twisted heart and soul that he was saving me from hell by torturing me physically and psychologically. In fact he cried and he was sad when he did it... And after he was done he would fall to his hands and knees sobbing begging for forgiveness for being a horrible person.

That's why my mother and my sisters never called the police. That's why we never asked for help. That's why we protected him. Because he somehow made himself seem like the sad victim even though he was the one hurting us!

Life is not a Disney movie. The "villains" of real life are never going to be clear cut good and bad. Because honestly we all have a little bit of good and bad inside of us. So you are never going to see a bad person and see them as black and white good and bad.

They don't seem evil because they don't believe they are evil. But not being evil does not remove the hurt, pain and the awful consequences of their actions.

A person is never going to be necessarily evil. But their actions can be evil! And even if they are not evil they can hurt us in ways that can't always be repaired. You need to figure out if he is serving you. Because you are going to have to live with it for as long as you date this person.

witchyw · 01/10/2022 14:14

DaughterofDawn 😞❤️

Doggiedoodoos · 01/10/2022 14:14

Let us know how you get on today OP.

urbanbuddha · 01/10/2022 14:21

I think he is selfish and has different standards and priorities to me but I don’t think he set out to hurt me.

He didn't set out to hurt you, but nor did he set out to make you happy. Your feelings are immaterial to him. His only interest is in getting what he wants. He couldn't care less about what you want. If you dump him he'll shrug and move on to the next one, but he'll dress it up so that you're left feeling guilty for looking after yourself.

Flaxseedblueberry · 01/10/2022 14:32

@DaughterofDawn so sorry 💐

OP posts:
5128gap · 01/10/2022 14:58

If you say something is a deal breaker I think you need to stick to that (unless there's a fundamental change that means its ok, which they'd hasn't been here).
The first time you don't follow through an ultimatum is the last time your ultimatums will be taken seriously. Don't issue them unless you mean it, and once you have, don't back down.

Quitelikeit · 01/10/2022 15:08

This man has been dissected and assassinated 🤣🤣🤣

theres a lot worse than him out there

so many grey areas - maybe he had a controlling ex then decided he wasn’t going to be controlled by this one

after all he met and made a friend on holiday and she is coming to visit with her kid!!

LemonDrop22 · 01/10/2022 16:11

urbanbuddha · 01/10/2022 14:21

I think he is selfish and has different standards and priorities to me but I don’t think he set out to hurt me.

He didn't set out to hurt you, but nor did he set out to make you happy. Your feelings are immaterial to him. His only interest is in getting what he wants. He couldn't care less about what you want. If you dump him he'll shrug and move on to the next one, but he'll dress it up so that you're left feeling guilty for looking after yourself.

This.

LemonDrop22 · 01/10/2022 16:13

Noone had to get evil to hurt other people emotionally, to not be a good match for them, to not offer them a good relationship.

Also, as someone said, not being evil is a pretty low fucking bar for a relationship.

You sound like you're suffering from the classic "level 4 bastard/dickhead seems good cause I was previously with a level 8 or 9 bastard/dickhead".