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New boyfriend is having female holiday friend come to stay

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Flaxseedblueberry · 28/09/2022 19:21

I’m embarrassed about how upset I am about this….

The situation is I’ve been seeing someone for 5 months. He’s great fun to be with and I really enjoy his company. He ticks nearly all the boxes of what I’m looking for. When we are together we get on fantastically, he’s been supportive over difficulties I have had with my ex and the sex is great. It’s been tricky coordinating diaries as we are both busy and I don’t always get the sense that he’s desperate to see me although he’s very good at keeping in text contact.

He went on a family adventure holiday for 2.5 weeks in August. He got friendly with another family - a single mum and her daughter who is the same age as his son. A couple of weeks ago he messaged to say she’d asked if she and her daughter could come to stay with him over half term (apparently he had said if she was ever in the area she should visit) and he wanted to know my thoughts before responding.

I felt totally sick at the thought but took some time to respond after getting opinions from friends who were unanimous that they wouldn’t like this either. (I needed friends views as I don’t always trust my feelings after being gaslighted by my ex for years.)

Anyway I responded and said sorry but it’s a deal breaker for me.It’s not even just that I would worry that something would go on between them, it’s also that this other woman would be getting quality time with him in a way that hasn’t come readily to me.

I think he was very surprised as he’d expected me to say I was fine with it. We had a long chat about whether we were right for each other as he feels he doesn’t always say the right things. He said he’d not given this woman an answer one way or the other and I thought/hoped it was just going to be dropped as a plan.

Then he seemed to really step up the effort and arranged a weekend away. We had an amazing time and got on so well. But as he dropped me back home I thought I should double check about the visit. Then he told me that he’d had a conversation with this woman several days prior and said she could come.

I feel absolutely devastated and since then my mood and anxiety have been awful. I’m so upset we went away and had lots of intimacy when he had already made a decision to do something I’d told him was a dealbreaker. I asked when he was planning to tell me and he said when I asked or nearer to the time. I feel like my feelings are not important to him. However I didn’t want to overreact so I’ve sat on it for the last week or so. I’ve seen him once since and I didn’t mention it and our text chats are mostly fun and lighthearted.

But I can’t sleep, I’m preoccupied with this and I feel utterly worthless. I feel if I say something he will say we are not compatible so I have to put up with this if I want the relationship to continue. He said he said yes to her as he had to be ‘true to himself’.

He has since said I could come and meet this woman but as he doesn’t want me to meet his son yet (as it’s early days which I understand, and I haven’t introduced my kids yet) I think he will backtrack on that nearer the time. I know nothing about her, not even her name let alone what she’s like, if she’s single or what she looks like. I can’t imagine meeting some bloke on holiday then arranging a visit but he tells me this is completely normal and most people do it and would be fine with it.

Sorry it’s long but I d be grateful for any advice as I don’t think I can cope with being this anxious for the next few weeks. My life is pretty difficult in a number of other ways and I just want some happiness and safety. Please be kind as I’m feeling sad and vulnerable.

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LemonDrop22 · 30/09/2022 10:31

he doesn't seem to understand 'dealbreaker'.

He understands it very well.

He just wanted to get his romantic weekend (weekend full of shagging) which is why he lied by omission until afterward.

Perhaps he thought the time and shagging would sweeten op up/bond her in too, before he confirmed he was completely walking over her wishes.

As I said, even if he isn't active cheating or trying to cheat 🤔

witchyw · 30/09/2022 10:31

Nobody is horrible all the time. Doubles she likes you, you're probably attractive and smart and funny, but that won't stop him treating you like shit.

witchyw · 30/09/2022 10:32

Sorry, doubtless HE likes you
That's not the point
Spot the signs, he's waving flags all over the place

LemonDrop22 · 30/09/2022 10:32

.... He's a special kind of fake naive to not think this woman he's invited to stay with him anytime is going 100 miles out of her way to stay in his home with her dd; just be sure they are friendly acquaintances from holiday.

TootsAtOwls · 30/09/2022 10:34

Flaxseedblueberry · 28/09/2022 23:24

Yes and it probably still is a dealbreaker but we got a lot closer over that weekend so it feels like more to lose now.

This is exactly why he did it!

There's just so much wrong with this. And I know your instinct is to see the god in him and salvage what seems like a promising relationship, but he really isn't worth fighting for!

He expected you to be so desperate to stay on his good side that you'd play the cool girl and agree it was fine for him to host this woman in his home

Then he took you on a weekend away as a last hurrah as he figured the supply of sex might get cut off soon

Here's gaslighting you saying lots of people make friends on holiday them stay together (do you know anyone else who's EVER done this?)

He's saying it wouldn't bother him if you hosted a man in your house (please, please, do test this theory.) If he genuinely doesn't care it's because.... he doesn't care about you

He lies habitually. And wouldn't have told you this plan was still going ahead if you hadn't asked

If it was a single dad he'd spent time with on holiday, do you think he'd be so keen to meet up?

witchyw · 30/09/2022 10:40

Ok, even if this wasn't about a woman coming to stay, say he'd asked how you felt about him getting a dog and you said you didn't like dogs (because they're slobbery and annoying) it's a problem being of the way he manipulated you. He got a
Weekend of sex and fun and further wedded you to the idea of being with him and didn't mention until you asked again that he'd already ordered the dog. He reduced your ability to "contest". He's playing you. A fair person would have just said "oh, that's a shame because I really like dogs and I'm getting one" but he was manipulative
And this isn't about something as neutral as a dog. This is all about him practising how to control you.

Doggiedoodoos · 30/09/2022 10:42

YOU
DESERVE
BETTER.

Sandra1984 · 30/09/2022 10:48

Flaxseedblueberry · 30/09/2022 10:02

When I asked when he was planning to tell me and why hadn’t he told me straight away he said it would have spoiled the weekend as we’d have ended up talking about it when we were away. I said he’d taken my choices away by not sharing the information and he did apologise. He later texted to say sorry he’d upset me about ‘having people to stay’. Then it’s not been mentioned since as I wanted to get my thinking clear.

"why hadn’t he told me straight away he said it would have spoiled the weekend"
"He later texted to say sorry he’d upset me about ‘having people to stay"

This is called "gaslighting" OP.

Sandra1984 · 30/09/2022 10:49

He's a very fine gaslighter by the way .

Octomore · 30/09/2022 11:07

Women don't travel 100 miles and take their child to stay with a man they've only just met on holiday unless either (a) they hooked up while on holiday, or (b) they haven't hooked up yet, but she'd really like to, and she's getting signals that he would too.

He won't have told her about you.

Doggiedoodoos · 30/09/2022 11:09

Most women would not be travelling to see a man with their child. I think the child part is a ruse.

TooHotToTangoToo · 30/09/2022 11:13

You said it was a dealbreaker, he should have told you straight away that he'd made his decision.

However he chose to go away with you, presumably had lots of sex which you wouldn't have done if you'd have known the truth. He used you for that weekend!

It's like a cheater deciding to tell his wife about an affair AFTER a holiday rather than before because he knew she'd not want to go on holiday after finding out.

LemonDrop22 · 30/09/2022 11:30

Doggiedoodoos · 30/09/2022 11:09

Most women would not be travelling to see a man with their child. I think the child part is a ruse.

Her DD's on the main holiday/trip with her, it suits her to do the side trip with her (she's not going to go hundreds of miles back home and then back to see this man. She's probably using the DD'S attraction to his son as a motivator for getting a teen to travel 100 miles further.

It's also a nice excuse/narrative "my dd would love to see you ds again!" Etc.

She sounds interested in this man.

Hard to say how much reason he had given her to be. But the open invitation (and accepting her proposed visit instead of making excuses) would suggest some reason.

LemonDrop22 · 30/09/2022 11:32

If she knew he was going totally against his gf of 5 months wishes/inclinations to have her to visit, I'd imagine she'd feel she had even more reading to think he was interested too (or just doesn't give much of a fuck about that relationship).

wellhelloitsme · 30/09/2022 11:37

When I asked when he was planning to tell me and why hadn’t he told me straight away he said it would have spoiled the weekend as we’d have ended up talking about it when we were away.

Actually means:

When I asked when he was planning to tell me and why hadn’t he told me straight away he said it would have meant I wouldn't have spent the weekend shagging him as we’d have ended up talking about it when we were away and I made it clear it was a dealbreaker for me, but he wanted to spend the weekend shagging.

wellhelloitsme · 30/09/2022 11:37

Good on you for ending things (hopefully!) OP.

Onwards and upwards Flowers

LemonDrop22 · 30/09/2022 12:59

He said he said yes to her as he had to be ‘true to himself’.

If himself is someone who invites single women (even if it's with her teenage child) he's met on holiday to stay in his home - while he's been in a relationship for 4 months, and then follows through on it even when his girlfriend says she's uncomfortable with it (which is understandable) ...... Perhaps "himself" is not relationship material.

Also have to wonder what impression the holiday woman has that she'd drag herself and her teenager 100 miles out of her way in a half term trip to stay at close quarters in his home.

It would not be beyond the realm of imagination that she'd think he was interested in her. Both the open invite and esp the following through on it, when polite excuses could have been made.

Note, he also lied by omission about following through on the plan to said girlfriend so he could get a fun, relaxed weekend of shagging.

He's a wrong un. Who's playing innocent

He's clearly not on relaxed terns with his ex either; I wonder why.

TortugaRumCakeQueen · 30/09/2022 12:59

So.....what are you going to do? When is she meant to be coming?

LemonDrop22 · 30/09/2022 13:06

There's a chapter in He's just not that into you (a poorly titled bit excellent book) called "two many queens in the castle" about men like this.
Always other women on the scene. Always convincing yourself they're just platonic, when human nature etc suggests it's unlikely.

I'd call them "soft harem" men.

He's made it clear he'll have things on his terms, what suits him, "true to himself"; no matter how uncomfortable he's making you. He's not above lying by omission to you to get what he wants off you too.

He may BS about being ok with you doing this but I bet he wouldn't be. Or if he was, it would oy be because of a lack of attachment, investment etc.

He's not a good relationship prospect for you, sorry.

LemonDrop22 · 30/09/2022 13:08

*too many queens in the castle

LemonDrop22 · 30/09/2022 13:19

If you were the type of woman who would invite a single man (and his kid) you met on holiday to stay in your home (while in a relationship of 5 months) and follow through on it when this man took the first opportunity (half term) to do so, with a 100 mile detour from his main trip .... Then maybe this relationship would work (I doubt he'd be ok with it but let's just say he is for the sake of argument), then you would be in the sane wave length, the same mind set.

But you're not, so you're not compatible.

And I think it's important to say - I don't think most people would be compatible with him.

The lying by omission was cowardly, disengenuous, deceptive etc as well.

It's extra hard to end a relationship when you r been having good sex op (damn that ol oxytocin) but ... The sooner you do it, the less of this shit you have to take and the sooner you can recover and move on.

LemonDrop22 · 30/09/2022 13:26

I've posted too much but just to add; this doesn't sound like a chilled friendship from her side; they met on holiday in August, she's taking the very first opportunity to meet he and his son again at half term (?), going 100 miles out of her way on a trip to do so .... That sounds more like someone enamoured, who thinks there's something going on/starting.

I know he said he'd introduce you to them when they visited (though even you doubted that, because of the child meeting embargo etc.) but does she actually even know he has a girlfriend of 5 months ... I'd wonder how you've been represented (if at all, I'd imagine very casually).

LemonDrop22 · 30/09/2022 13:32

*If you were the type of woman who would invite a single man (and his kid) you met on holiday to stay in your home (while in a relationship of 5 months) and follow through on it when this man took the first opportunity (half term) to do so, with a 100 mile detour from his main trip ....

Not to mention your new man "friend" spending more time with your child and you two looking like a single kid version of the Brady Bunch, while he has yet to even meet them.

Flaxseedblueberry · 30/09/2022 13:36

LemonDrop22 · 30/09/2022 13:06

There's a chapter in He's just not that into you (a poorly titled bit excellent book) called "two many queens in the castle" about men like this.
Always other women on the scene. Always convincing yourself they're just platonic, when human nature etc suggests it's unlikely.

I'd call them "soft harem" men.

He's made it clear he'll have things on his terms, what suits him, "true to himself"; no matter how uncomfortable he's making you. He's not above lying by omission to you to get what he wants off you too.

He may BS about being ok with you doing this but I bet he wouldn't be. Or if he was, it would oy be because of a lack of attachment, investment etc.

He's not a good relationship prospect for you, sorry.

Thanks. I’ve just ordered that book. I’m already reading Mr Unavailable and the Fallback Girl as I was trying to make sense of his mixed signals previously.

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Flaxseedblueberry · 30/09/2022 13:40

TortugaRumCakeQueen · 30/09/2022 12:59

So.....what are you going to do? When is she meant to be coming?

She’s meant to be coming in half term so about 3 weeks away. I’m supposed to be meeting him tomorrow so was planning to have a face to face discussion about the effect this is having on me and see if he has any insight into his behaviour. However I’ve not heard from him at all today which is very unusual so I’m wondering if he’s got wind of this thread somehow.

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