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New boyfriend is having female holiday friend come to stay

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Flaxseedblueberry · 28/09/2022 19:21

I’m embarrassed about how upset I am about this….

The situation is I’ve been seeing someone for 5 months. He’s great fun to be with and I really enjoy his company. He ticks nearly all the boxes of what I’m looking for. When we are together we get on fantastically, he’s been supportive over difficulties I have had with my ex and the sex is great. It’s been tricky coordinating diaries as we are both busy and I don’t always get the sense that he’s desperate to see me although he’s very good at keeping in text contact.

He went on a family adventure holiday for 2.5 weeks in August. He got friendly with another family - a single mum and her daughter who is the same age as his son. A couple of weeks ago he messaged to say she’d asked if she and her daughter could come to stay with him over half term (apparently he had said if she was ever in the area she should visit) and he wanted to know my thoughts before responding.

I felt totally sick at the thought but took some time to respond after getting opinions from friends who were unanimous that they wouldn’t like this either. (I needed friends views as I don’t always trust my feelings after being gaslighted by my ex for years.)

Anyway I responded and said sorry but it’s a deal breaker for me.It’s not even just that I would worry that something would go on between them, it’s also that this other woman would be getting quality time with him in a way that hasn’t come readily to me.

I think he was very surprised as he’d expected me to say I was fine with it. We had a long chat about whether we were right for each other as he feels he doesn’t always say the right things. He said he’d not given this woman an answer one way or the other and I thought/hoped it was just going to be dropped as a plan.

Then he seemed to really step up the effort and arranged a weekend away. We had an amazing time and got on so well. But as he dropped me back home I thought I should double check about the visit. Then he told me that he’d had a conversation with this woman several days prior and said she could come.

I feel absolutely devastated and since then my mood and anxiety have been awful. I’m so upset we went away and had lots of intimacy when he had already made a decision to do something I’d told him was a dealbreaker. I asked when he was planning to tell me and he said when I asked or nearer to the time. I feel like my feelings are not important to him. However I didn’t want to overreact so I’ve sat on it for the last week or so. I’ve seen him once since and I didn’t mention it and our text chats are mostly fun and lighthearted.

But I can’t sleep, I’m preoccupied with this and I feel utterly worthless. I feel if I say something he will say we are not compatible so I have to put up with this if I want the relationship to continue. He said he said yes to her as he had to be ‘true to himself’.

He has since said I could come and meet this woman but as he doesn’t want me to meet his son yet (as it’s early days which I understand, and I haven’t introduced my kids yet) I think he will backtrack on that nearer the time. I know nothing about her, not even her name let alone what she’s like, if she’s single or what she looks like. I can’t imagine meeting some bloke on holiday then arranging a visit but he tells me this is completely normal and most people do it and would be fine with it.

Sorry it’s long but I d be grateful for any advice as I don’t think I can cope with being this anxious for the next few weeks. My life is pretty difficult in a number of other ways and I just want some happiness and safety. Please be kind as I’m feeling sad and vulnerable.

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RandomMusings7 · 29/09/2022 11:53

@Flaxseedblueberry, the heart of the matter is simple. You clearly set out a very reasonable boundary and he went and pooped on in a very manipulative and shady manner.

If you stay, he will know your boundaries mean nothing even if you make all the right noises and that you are weak and can be walked all over. It's a very very dangerous precedent that you won't be able to erase later on. By accepting this crass lack of respect you are basically teaching him to do it again because he can get away with it.

Better cut your losses and rip the bandaid off

mrsjohnnylawrence · 29/09/2022 12:02

End it and look for someone else. Don't compromise on what you want in a man, go and find it. I hope he has a lovely time with his friend.

SleepingAgent · 29/09/2022 12:06

No way would he have her sleeping over so soon if there was romantic intent.

Um what?? There's every reason to have holiday woman over for a catch-up shag, particularly if they were already shagging on the holiday!

Jibbajabba1 · 29/09/2022 12:31

To the poster that mentioned triangulation - yup.

Also, when the op first raised the topic, she said they ended up having a chat about how he says the wrong thing instead. Diversion tactic?

DuvetHugger · 29/09/2022 12:35

I think there are a few porkys being told here. What's to say this woman and child visiting aren't actually his wife and daughter. Perfcetly possible for him to have a marriage and kids seeing as you rarely see him.

witchyw · 29/09/2022 12:49

I think his behaviour sounds devious and manipulative and that if you try to build something with him you will regret it very deeply.

Sarahbumdaa · 29/09/2022 12:58

I dont understand why this lady if she wants to visit with her friend she met on holiday why she can't stay in a hotel or b and b. Why is she staying in his home? If it was me and he said im in a relationship dating now I would insist that I stayed elsewhere

PineOrange · 29/09/2022 13:17

A people pleaser.

Not a partner pleaser, these types of people are all about the outward projection of appearing good.
Another name would be covert narcissist.

They are very dangerous because they manipulates all scenarios so you second guess yourself, ie: "he's such a nice guy, how could I possibly think he's engineered a situation to decieve me"

They do, they spend innordinate ammounts of time creating situations that gaslight their partners, leave you unsure and make you believe you are the unreaonable, demanding nuerotic partner for bringing anything up.
His aim is to get you to the point whereby you do not question his 'good acts'.

There will always be a damsel in distress somewhere in his life that needs help or attention whilst you are put on the back burner thinking I know I should be thinking he's a good guy but it doesn't feel like that, this neglect and waiting feels like rejection and being put to the bottom of the pile.

Well it is, he has a hierachy of people that he believes deserve his fantastic attention and that will change in order as he goes along. This man is not capable of making you feel special, and the way his scheming brain works will have you feeling like the bad guy with others also agreeing with him that you are paranoid, jealous and unreasonable.

Basically he's a wolf in sheeps clothing and I would advise you to run, block and get the hell out of there before you become brainwashed by his deceitfulness.

These people in my opinion are worse than the outright piss takers, because at least you can gain sympathy from others as to their horrible behaviour, covert narcs on the other hand want to lie, cheat, deceive AND have the aprroval of society, they are the victim, the good guy, the people pleaser and the sane controlled one.

Only on here will you get people who understand, out there in the real world, people don't have time and will only see his projection of him doing good deeds for others, they will see you as the fun sponge, the demading, depressed, woman who is trying to continually stop him from interacting with others.

This is a very impportant turning point for him, this situation will allow him to know how manipulated you can be.

custardbear · 29/09/2022 13:35

Flaxseedblueberry · 28/09/2022 23:24

Yes and it probably still is a dealbreaker but we got a lot closer over that weekend so it feels like more to lose now.

This troubles me
Essentially you said no, if you do it's a deal breaker for you. Fair enough.
He said yes to her, but didn't update you on the situation (lied essentially) and took you away for a romantic weekend where you feel you got closer.... yet this was done under false pretences because effectively he knew you were over, yet he charmed the pants off you with a weekend away to either get sex before you leave, or try to get you to change your mind by manipulating this weekend.
I am usually the last mug who puts up with all sorts of shite from blokes (before I met DH) but this is at best underhanded and pretty shocking behaviour

ItsaMetalBand · 29/09/2022 13:47

The mother isn't driving 100s of miles to stay at the house of a man she barely knows so that her 14yo can snog another 14yo.

The mother isn't driving 100s of miles to stay at the house of a man who she has zero sexual interest in.

No man would let a woman stay at his house, knowing his GF would leave him over it if he didn't think the reward was worth losing the GF over.

You know this woman is something more than a friend, or that she will be more than a friend. Everything about this screams 'potential hookup' it's as clear as day.

Your gut and your head knows this. It's just your fanny and your heart that's a bit confused after the weekend away.

Mamato3boysand2dogs · 29/09/2022 14:07

I echo most other people here OP.

A massive, massive piss take.... I'd be fuming and he wouldn't hear from me again.

His actions here spell out very clearly how little he values you. Couldn't give a shit.

witchyw · 29/09/2022 14:09

ItsaMetalBand · 29/09/2022 13:47

The mother isn't driving 100s of miles to stay at the house of a man she barely knows so that her 14yo can snog another 14yo.

The mother isn't driving 100s of miles to stay at the house of a man who she has zero sexual interest in.

No man would let a woman stay at his house, knowing his GF would leave him over it if he didn't think the reward was worth losing the GF over.

You know this woman is something more than a friend, or that she will be more than a friend. Everything about this screams 'potential hookup' it's as clear as day.

Your gut and your head knows this. It's just your fanny and your heart that's a bit confused after the weekend away.

💯

AgentJohnson · 29/09/2022 14:09

You said it was a dealbreaker, if it is, then you know what to do. Waiting for him to be different is a waste of everybody's time.

NewbietoSE3 · 29/09/2022 17:08

I think the OP has gone

Flaxseedblueberry · 29/09/2022 17:17

NewbietoSE3 · 29/09/2022 17:08

I think the OP has gone

I haven’t. I’ve been at work. Have looked into the Freedom Programme and will sign up to do it online.

He’s sent me some insensitive texts today (basically thinking it’s hilarious that something in my house has gone wrong) which I think I would normally laugh off but I’m now seeing it through different eyes. If he cared he could offer practical help or at least sympathy.

OP posts:
DaughterofDawn · 29/09/2022 17:55

Flaxseedblueberry · 29/09/2022 17:17

I haven’t. I’ve been at work. Have looked into the Freedom Programme and will sign up to do it online.

He’s sent me some insensitive texts today (basically thinking it’s hilarious that something in my house has gone wrong) which I think I would normally laugh off but I’m now seeing it through different eyes. If he cared he could offer practical help or at least sympathy.

I'm so sorry he's treating you like this OP... I'm glad you are choosing yourself. Be gentle with yourself. It is not your fault that he is an ass.

Lillyrow · 29/09/2022 17:56

@Flaxseedblueberry

Op, I have been you.

Your post gave me a knot in my stomach and stirred up feelings from a couple of years ago when I was in an emotionally abusive relationship. I also wrote posts very similar to this and I wish I had listened to everyones advice sooner, I would have saved myself so much damage and upset.

This behaviour is not okay. He is disregarding your feelings and trying to manipulate (gas light) you, by telling you that you are somehow 'strange' or 'controlling' by not being happy with this situation. Most women (and men!) would not be happy with this. Even if most people would be okay with this, you are not and your partner should respect that.

I am now in a relationship with a wonderful man who respects me and would never treat me in this way. I feel completely secure with him and trust him implicitly. You can find someone amazing too 💐

TortugaRumCakeQueen · 29/09/2022 18:04

Hmm. Will he also be hosting Hairy Bob from this adventure holiday? Or is it just single women his own age? How very....convenient.

No single woman would arrange to visit a bloke and stay in his home, unless she seriously fancied him. I'm sure after a few vino's, she will turn on the charm. Fuck that nonsense.

I'd end it now. Can you even imagine sitting in your own home when this visit is happening? You'll be thinking about whether they are getting tipsy and flirting, or even retiring to separate bedrooms. Any man who would put you in that uncomfortable position is outrageous. I'd just stop replying to messages.

Btw, I have a single friend who does this kind of thing regularly. She's always visiting male "friends" under the guise of shared interests, but I know from what she says to me, that she is always looking for a romantic connection. Why else would you go to so much effort? 100 miles out of your way, to see a bloke you're not interested in? Nope.

Flaxseedblueberry · 29/09/2022 18:09

TortugaRumCakeQueen · 29/09/2022 18:04

Hmm. Will he also be hosting Hairy Bob from this adventure holiday? Or is it just single women his own age? How very....convenient.

No single woman would arrange to visit a bloke and stay in his home, unless she seriously fancied him. I'm sure after a few vino's, she will turn on the charm. Fuck that nonsense.

I'd end it now. Can you even imagine sitting in your own home when this visit is happening? You'll be thinking about whether they are getting tipsy and flirting, or even retiring to separate bedrooms. Any man who would put you in that uncomfortable position is outrageous. I'd just stop replying to messages.

Btw, I have a single friend who does this kind of thing regularly. She's always visiting male "friends" under the guise of shared interests, but I know from what she says to me, that she is always looking for a romantic connection. Why else would you go to so much effort? 100 miles out of your way, to see a bloke you're not interested in? Nope.

To be honest I doubt she is his own age. I’m 9 years younger than him with same aged kids so imagine she’ll be a similar age to me. He lied about his age on his dating profile too - said he was 47 when he was 52 at the time. Only told me the truth about that when I asked directly.

OP posts:
Flaxseedblueberry · 29/09/2022 18:12

Lillyrow · 29/09/2022 17:56

@Flaxseedblueberry

Op, I have been you.

Your post gave me a knot in my stomach and stirred up feelings from a couple of years ago when I was in an emotionally abusive relationship. I also wrote posts very similar to this and I wish I had listened to everyones advice sooner, I would have saved myself so much damage and upset.

This behaviour is not okay. He is disregarding your feelings and trying to manipulate (gas light) you, by telling you that you are somehow 'strange' or 'controlling' by not being happy with this situation. Most women (and men!) would not be happy with this. Even if most people would be okay with this, you are not and your partner should respect that.

I am now in a relationship with a wonderful man who respects me and would never treat me in this way. I feel completely secure with him and trust him implicitly. You can find someone amazing too 💐

I’ve also posted in the past about a previous boyfriend when red flags emerged but didn’t leave despite advice. Regretted it later when things got a bit more scary. I really thought this one could be different but it seems everyone I meet has some unpleasant traits. I guess all the good men have not been thrown back in the pond so I’m meeting the ones who do stuff like this.

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Jibbajabba1 · 29/09/2022 18:12

@Flaxseedblueberry
OP has he suggested drink/dinner/coffee so that you can meet his friend too?

if it was me I’d suggest it, in person, to watch his reaction

Flaxseedblueberry · 29/09/2022 18:13

Jibbajabba1 · 29/09/2022 18:12

@Flaxseedblueberry
OP has he suggested drink/dinner/coffee so that you can meet his friend too?

if it was me I’d suggest it, in person, to watch his reaction

He has but I don’t think he’s sincere about that as his son would be there and he’s avoided me meeting him so far.

OP posts:
Jibbajabba1 · 29/09/2022 18:14

@Flaxseedblueberry
op the good ones exist - we’ve all had our share of frogs, that’s how/why we can spot them now. Don’t let him make you feel crap about yourself, he’s letting himself down by being underhand - it’s not on you at all

TortugaRumCakeQueen · 29/09/2022 18:16

Her being younger makes it even worse! She's in his target age range for dating then. Not some 65 y/o, that would be beyond his target age range. Nothing wrong being 65, but you know what I mean.

The fact he lied on his profile, shows that he has the capacity to be duplicitous or economical with the truth. Which is what he's doing here. He is playing something down that would have anyone's alarm bells ringing.

I'd stop engaging with him. He's making you feel rubbish. This would switch me right off. It would be an immediate retreat from me.

Jibbajabba1 · 29/09/2022 18:19

I’d take him up on meeting her. If he bails last minute, I’d still turn up. And if he doesn’t cancel, great, you can see what’s occurring yourself then