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Son went on a huge Incel rant

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Username50201 · 03/09/2022 12:41

So my son is 24 years old and I've always know that he has never had a girlfriend but the other day he went on a huge incel rant because he cant get women. My son does have a few friends and I even ran into this girl who he works with who said that he's a lovely lad so I dont think he acts like this outside the house.

But he is VERY obsessed with his appearance, He has a birthmark scar on his forehead (which aint even really noticable) and a small pink mole on his face (again, Cant really see it) which he is insecure about. He's visited plastic surgeons and paid consultation fees, he's currently thinking of getting them removed although apparently there is some risks like it might leave him looking worse.

He's always buying clothes, skincare products, teeth whitening kits and He will be at the gym most days.

But the other day he went on a huge rant as to how ugly he is and that no woman ever matches with him on dating sites, he also tells me how all his mates and the men around him get girls while he doesnt. He's not even ugly at all, he's tall, he keeps himself athletic and very intelligant (has an IQ of around 150 apparently).

But he said to me that the only way he is ever going to get a girlfriend is if he pays for a mail order wife and the only way he can get sex is if he pays a prostitute.

He believes he is ugly because he doesnt get any matches on tinder even tho he said to me that he swipes right on most women. I then said to him that maybe he is going for girls out of his league in which he replied "Well as long as they are not fat, dont have kids but want some then I'll most likely be interested"

He also feels pressure that he has to earn more money and be more sucessful than everyone else around him or else women wont be interested in him.

Another thing is that he always talks about how every other man is better looking than him and how he doesnt stand a chance with women

OP posts:
LemonDrop22 · 10/09/2022 08:40

Sounds like your son needs to get some co ed/mixed hobbies and give himself more opportunities to meet women in IRL.

Rowing seems to have a lot of girls, tennis is quite mixed, maybe volunteering as scout leader/cadets leader (scouts leading/assisting is def mixed), hockey can be mixed ..... what sports and activities does the uni offer and what does he do?

He's fixating on small, physical things on himself ... Rather than realising being outgoing, warm, friendly, sociable, open etc is more important and that people of all looks get together with people of all looks.

I've known guys who've been conventionally unattractive who had (objectively more attractive) partners than them; they have really good social skills, personable, pleasant, confident in spite of their looks etc.

Successgirl2022 · 10/09/2022 09:19

Your son needs to start thinking positively about himself and start working on improving his self-esteem from low to high.

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=how+to+improve+self+esteem+and+confidence+

LemonDrop22 · 10/09/2022 09:37

And yes, he is objectifying women as well and needs to stop.

Naunet · 10/09/2022 13:05

He thinks it’s all about looks - I wonder what he’s written on his dating profile…

HazelBite · 10/09/2022 13:13

I am curious does your son have sisters? Did he go to a single sex school.?

YouAreNotBatman · 10/09/2022 13:25

LemonDrop22 · 10/09/2022 08:30

All the posters saying this isn't Incel..... You clearly have no experience of Incel, red pill, mgtow etc movements.

Everything he is saying is literally incel/red pill 101 .... Text book.

It is certainly underpinned by low self esteem, shallowness etc though.

Honestly, the labesl really don’t matter.

Everyday, average, men in relationships and marriages are just as much as misogynystic as red pillers etc.
And the taken men actually have a woman (and kids) who they abuse.

KosherDill · 10/09/2022 14:01

Does he ever actually get to know any women? Show an interest in their lives, hopes and dreams? Or does he just want arm candy and sex?

I think therapy is his best bet, and hopefully he'll mature.

LemonDrop22 · 10/09/2022 17:14

YouAreNotBatman · 10/09/2022 13:25

Honestly, the labesl really don’t matter.

Everyday, average, men in relationships and marriages are just as much as misogynystic as red pillers etc.
And the taken men actually have a woman (and kids) who they abuse.

I don't really get the intention behind your post.

Posters said he wasn't saying "Incel" things - I know from other forums I frequent that he is .... The script, top to bottom.

He has been influenced by Incel etc theories and opinions.

That does matter.

As to general misogyny etc. by attached men, - certainly but that's a wider subject.

This thread is focused on trying to help op with her son.

Successgirl2022 · 10/09/2022 18:59
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