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October03 · 25/08/2022 15:00

Should I be able to be ok with my husband having a close female friend? This is a new friend, they text regularly, go to karate twice a week and go cycling twice a week together. I am really struggling with this, am I being immature?

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OovoofWelcome · 27/08/2022 12:59

Well done for speaking your truth OP but of course he’s annoyed you want him to stop seeing his new girlfriend.

He has betrayed you before and his attitude now is deplorable.

Stay strong and do not be cowed by his anger. He is completely in the wrong here. Even if he wasn’t betraying you with a new intimacy with someone else, he’s being a selfish prick being out of the house for so much, and opting out of family life.

Ladybugzrock · 27/08/2022 13:39

Firstly, well done! I know how hard it is when you naturally want to keep the peace not to actually express your boundaries and needs. But you did it, I know you feel sick but be proud.

You know what his response means, you do know that he is just not invested in you feeling safe and meeting your needs after HIS cheating.

My advice would be to start to detach from him. I’m not saying LTB, although my gut is screaming it, I don’t think you’re ready to jump, but detaching would be a sensible step.

If you google ‘surviving infidelity’ and 180, you should find a strategy for detaching from an unremorseful cheat. This strategy will give you some breathing space to begin to assess your situation.

I’d start to research finances and what separation would look like for you. That might lessen the natural anxiety you have around being a single parent. Tbh the time invested in his sports, ‘friendships’ and now his video gaming (at midday on a saturday) makes it clear you’ve been a single parent for a long time!

Get hold of those books, Google 180, take a look at the ‘surviving infidelity’ site, and start to find your voice.

October03 · 27/08/2022 13:43

Thank you

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October03 · 27/08/2022 13:46

Thank you @Ladybugzrock for even more sound and practical advice. I will look those up now and am very interested in the detaching myself part, that might help with the pain of how uncaring he sometimes feels. When we separated he was all for doing whatever it takes but then it all just slides and somehow I let it and feel like such an idiot.

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Scorpio8 · 27/08/2022 17:01

@October03

His reaction is telling you all you need to know.
He enjoying this woman company a bit too much.
He will say you are unable to trust but said your not a fool.
If he can't stop the cycling with her it tell you he putting her first and your how it makes you feel last.
Say why can't he fine a male friend go go cycling with.
If he wants you to trust him you need to meet her if not you feel something going on.
I think it be nice if you both found something to do together.
I definitely would feel uncomfortable.

October03 · 27/08/2022 17:16

So after talking to him, he went for a cycle on his own. When he cycles it gets added to an app that others can see and comment on including the women I don't want him cycling with. He changed the settings to this today so that it is private, I asked him why he has done that and he got really angry and said he won't have me watching and checking up him just because I don't trust him. (So this makes me think he did nit go cycling alone). I told him this was so unfair that I come to him telling him how worried and upset I am and his solution is to cut me out of his cycling and make it even harder to trust him.

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indie123 · 27/08/2022 17:19

Ask to meet her

Jason118 · 27/08/2022 17:22

I'm sorry OP but look up 'mug' in the mirror.

October03 · 27/08/2022 17:35

@Jason118 i just did and f*ing idiot and there was my picture right next to it

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1FootInTheRave · 27/08/2022 17:49

Oh op, he is behaving appallingly.

This is already an affair, would bet my last pound on it.

October03 · 27/08/2022 17:53

@1FootInTheRave yep, I'm so done, I don't know what I was thinking

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Ladybugzrock · 27/08/2022 18:06

Time to get your ducks in a row @October03! This is a blatant move.

I’m so sorry he is such a selfish entitled nasty man!

You and your kids deserve SO much better!

You can do this! It’ll take time but I honestly think away from all this anxiety you’ll be so much happier!

💐

October03 · 27/08/2022 18:14

I think you're right @Ladybugzrock, I'm just sitting here on my own with the kids again, paranoid and worried, whilst he's out at a concert we were both supposed to go to.

I will start to sort a plan out, I can see that nothing I do will help to fix this marriage, thank you for all the great advice to all that posted.

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Scorpio8 · 27/08/2022 18:28

@October03

You see I told you he will use the line you don't trust him. When in fact he knows he doing wrong and covering it up setting it private.
You should tell him he now set that private and that's suspicious and he now telling you he doesn't want you checking up on him.
Ask him if he done anything with this woman.
Say your not letting me trust you. If your acting shady and you won't let me meet this new friend.
That alone shady.

October03 · 27/08/2022 18:31

@Scorpio8 I'm not going to tell him or ask him to prove anything. I'm done with trying, he can do what ever he wants with whoever he wants, I just done

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Fupoffyagrasshole · 27/08/2022 19:34

@October03 i think you’re right tbh if you have to start asking him to prove himself and worry about what he’s doing then what’s the point it’s too much

id be done too

Scorpio8 · 27/08/2022 20:37

@October03

Give what he did he should of known better. He obviously still wasn't entirely happy even though I can see you were being by saying you wanted to do something for him.
That wasn't get hobby and basically start a friendship with a woman who could be something more to him.
He taken advantage of that and you been honest saying you don't trust it's not like he hadn't given you reason too. I don't believe once a cheat always a cheat. But your no fool either that's made you uncomfortable for a reason and you not met her.
It seems he happy to upset you over letting go of someone he just met.

Scorpio8 · 27/08/2022 20:38

With what he did OP

Threadkill · 27/08/2022 20:43

This is not a normal female friend who he might meet up once evey few months and who he’d be happy to invite to meet you. This is a full-on relationship.

Cornflakegirll · 27/08/2022 21:20

October03 · 27/08/2022 18:14

I think you're right @Ladybugzrock, I'm just sitting here on my own with the kids again, paranoid and worried, whilst he's out at a concert we were both supposed to go to.

I will start to sort a plan out, I can see that nothing I do will help to fix this marriage, thank you for all the great advice to all that posted.

Another example of you alone with the kids while he’s out playing the single life gaming and bike riding all day and ignoring you and the children and gigging at night. Argh he is no role model for your kids

I’m so glad to see you’re done. I know that the next few weeks are going to be hard but you need to show him you’re nobody’s fool.

Please don’t even begin to think this is a reflection on you, or his ‘happy’ what ever that means. He’s just a selfish, entitled man who will always think the grass is greener. Let him find out it’s full of nasty weeds!

Living with this level of anxiety will take its toll on you, it’s time to let go and find yourself again!

MsDogLady · 28/08/2022 00:10

October, your H’s appalling behavior, detailed in your 3 threads, proves that he feels entitled to live as a single man. Despite his prior infidelity and frequent absences, your recent separation, and all the counseling, he continues to be utterly self-serving and unremorseful. He has no intention of giving up his newest OW.

*In January he was feeling “trapped” and pushed for karate/gym 7 days a week.

*Was going out most weekends.
*Bought a new motorbike to ride in his free time.
*Wanted more and more solo trips and holidays.

You have always taken on the lion’s share of responsibilities to accommodate H’s perpetual need “to not feel tied down,” but you’d become very lonely and unsettled by his absences and disengagement from family life. Although you were supporting a UK motorbike trip with his brother, he was pressing for another solo trip abroad, which he’d done twice before. You were understandably uncomfortable with that, partly due to his previous cheating.

You eventually separated with the hope that couples counseling and space would improve things, and after 2 months you and the children returned home. However, H then pushed for you to sign a postnup in case the reconciliation failed. Posters were aghast at the financially abusive terms. One remarked that his agenda was clearly a “lucrative exit.” (Your current financial dynamic also sounds unfair—both work, you pay 50%, he makes more and can save, but you can’t.)

Kudos for expressing your feelings and asserting your boundaries today. H’s contemptuous response and blocked transparency speak volumes. Clearly his post-separation “doing whatever it takes” to heal the marriage was mere lip service. This is not a man who cares about you and values his family. He is uninterested in an equal marriage based on love, fidelity and mutual respect.

October, you’ve gone over and beyond, but it’s time to stop flogging this dead horse. Your children deserve better than this dysfunctional relationship model. Flowers

October03 · 28/08/2022 05:54

Thank you @MsDogLady

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KettrickenSmiled · 28/08/2022 10:40

October03 · 27/08/2022 18:31

@Scorpio8 I'm not going to tell him or ask him to prove anything. I'm done with trying, he can do what ever he wants with whoever he wants, I just done

Hard as it is for you OP, you deserve a huge pat on the back for finding this strength & attitude. Flowers

You are the only one doing any work within this marriage - he's just living like a single man, & weaponising your totally understandable & reasonable mistrust. Note how HE cheated, HE avoids all family life, HE insists on seeing this woman, HE made his cycling app private ... but manages to blame YOU for his actions?

Have a look at this - www.banyantherapy.com/darvo/
& then this - outofthefog.website/toolbox-intro
Not because I reckon your H has a personality disorder - that's irrelevant, as you are now focused on YOU & how you want to detach from the pain of his lies & selfishness, so it's immaterial WHY he does what he does.
But you will recognise some traits & the website is a superb resource in how to deal with unreasonable relatives.

KettrickenSmiled · 28/08/2022 10:43

You eventually separated with the hope that couples counseling and space would improve things, and after 2 months you and the children returned home. However, H then pushed for you to sign a postnup in case the reconciliation failed. Posters were aghast at the financially abusive terms. One remarked that his agenda was clearly a “lucrative exit.” (Your current financial dynamic also sounds unfair—both work, you pay 50%, he makes more and can save, but you can’t.)

Jeeze.

OP, do you have a very trusted friend or relative you can open up to? I want to urge you to get a recommendation to the best divorce lawyer you can find, who has experience in dealing with financially abusive husbands who are seeking ways to hide assets & rip off their wives.

You need to get the best settlement that can be obtained. This is yours & the DC's future. You need to get proactive & protect it.

PiecesofFive · 28/08/2022 11:45

Contact Women's Aid op, they may be able to help getting you legal aid, he sounds very devious, entitled and abusive.

You've been letting him get away with murder for a long time, are you afraid of him ? Of his reactions to you putting in place a financial settlement through divorce ?

Sometimes family are not enough to understand the callousness of what occurs behind closed doors but do get in touch with WA, they will help you through divorce, get in touch with the GP, shed light into this abusive relationship.

If he beomes aggresive, contact police, you do not need to be be the one that leaves with three children but in the short term you may have to.

Utterly vile man with no sense of reason or fairness, find the help you need to stop this continuous pain from him.

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