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Sex gone from marriage, feels like there is no way back

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thelastkingdom · 15/08/2022 23:48

First time poster here - really looking for a female opinion please :-) Apologies for the long post.

I have been with my DW for 17 years and we are both in our 40s. We have 3 children. Our sex life was good for many years up until we had a second child, then my DW just wasn’t interested. I could understand it at the time as we had one child after another, so it was a tough time balancing the two children and working etc. However, as time went by and the children got older it didn’t get any better, my wife never instigated it, and I didn’t want to push too much so it happened very rarely (once / twice a year). Apart from that the marriage was great. Then when my second child was around 5ish it was getting easier, and we both decided that we would like a third. I did say something along the lines of “for a third we will need to have sex more often and if you are happy to do it for a child then why can’t we do it more normally?” She agreed that it wasn't fair that that side of the relationship had been overlooked and promised it wouldn't happen again. So we threw ourselves into non stop baby making which we both enjoyed.

However, after my DW became pregnant It soon stopped and never got started. My youngest DD is now 5 and despite trying for the last 5 years it’s just not really happened or very rarely. I do bring it up a few times a year and I just get “Stop going on about that” or various excuses. I have suggested we can go for counselling / therapy etc. I have asked if she still fancied me and does she want to be with anyone else - she said no and that she still fancied me. My DW works part time , I work full time from home so I try and help her as much as I can.
I am a very hands-on dad, I do all the school runs and most of the homework with the kids. I spend my lunch breaks preparing dinner so when my DW gets home at around the same time as the kids there is dinner on the table. I take the kids to clubs, put them to bed etc. I often take all 3 out on a weekend to give my wife a break. I am the main breadwinner and pay for all the bills and the many holidays we have a year – we are very lucky. I can’t physically do anymore. I dedicate my life to the kids and family. I feel like I am being the best husband and father that I can be. But….I just want that special thing and its just missing! It makes my life complete, it’s something I need. The need to feel wanted, the passion the excitement! Without it I feel down, unwanted, jealous of others – why me? what am I doing wrong? am I rubbish in bed? I love foreplay / oral sex etc so hopefully its not that! I even feel slightly used that after the third child I have perhaps “done my job” and that’s it! I have been as patient and understanding as can be. Unfortunately we don’t have much childcare so we only get a few weekends a year child free so I always try to make sure it’s a special time. Last one was a long weekend in Ibiza!

Where do I go from here? is that it now for life? I would be grateful for any thoughts and advice!

OP posts:
Malad · 16/08/2022 22:50

PlanetNormal · 16/08/2022 18:27

You are in a very difficult position, OP, and your wife knows this. She has got what she wants. Her nest is full, and she has the security of marriage to a good man. Having sex with you has, therefore, served its purpose and she sees no reason to have sex with you again. This situation is not uncommon. Furthermore, she won’t talk to you about it or make any attempt to fix the situation. She believes you are trapped by decency and obligation to her and your children, and she doesn’t even pretend to give a damn about your physical or emotional needs. She doesn’t want to change, sees no reason to and has no intention of doing so.

You have tried to resolve the situation but it appears you are wasting your time. You are in a catch 22. Say & do nothing = no change to the situation & no sex. Attempt to resolve the situation by discussing it and you’re pressurising her = no sex. Heads she wins, tails you lose.

You have to ask yourself some tough questions. Is the lack of sex a dealbreaker? If so, she needs to understand, very clearly, that the marriage will end if the situation doesn’t change. Do you both want to stay married? If so, how would she feel about you looking for sex outside the marriage?

Good luck with whatever you decide to do.

This sounds about right.

Grananger · 17/08/2022 00:29

maryannetwoin · 16/08/2022 22:31

So my marriage is on the verge of collapse.. I am the one who does not want sex and I am the one thinking about leaving... Because my husband has harassed me for years for more sex ... I always had lower sex drive but now I'm in menopause it's virtually non existent.. However things deteriorated after we got married... My husband watched a lot of porn... I hated it and never felt enough. When he didn't get sex he would sulk and pout. He would wake me in night for sex and if I said no he would feel rejected and say I didn't love him... When he felt horny he would get his thing out or grab my bits... It was downright irritating when I was washing up or just trying to relax. Every cuddle meant a chance for a quick gr ope. Then the arguments started every time I said no.. It felt like emotional blackmail..I couldn't say no without him saying I didn't love him..like sex was love. At same time he was enjoying his porn.. I went off him sexually... He wasn't tuned into me and when a man behaves like a horny adolescent it is a big turn off for me.. Plus all the drama of I said no.... I think I now have sexual aversion. I freeze up whenever the subject is mentioned.. As soon as I hear if you l over me youd have sex I feel pressure. If he says I'll stop the poem if you give me sex that turns me off too.. I'm not a sex object or stress relief toy... If you recognise any of these behaviours in yourself, be mindful that your wife saying no might be because begging, pleading or guilt tripping for sex is a turn off.. You need to romance some women and emotionally connect. If you are sharp or critical with her don't expect her to feel in the mood. Take time to know her as a person first first.. Take her to buy a dress but don't chase for sex or expect it as a reward of you do some housework. If she says no say you understand change the subject and don't pout. Be tender and don't grab her bits. Make her a cup of tea in morning, treat her like a lady first. If you chase too much she will run

Your husband sounds like a nob. But that isn’t what’s happening here. The OP is struggling with his wife’s unilateral withdrawal. It’s terribly unfair.

Wisterical · 17/08/2022 01:06

This sounds like a marriage of convenience for your wife now. I think that if she felt she could afford to separate, and wasn’t worried about the effect on the children, she would.

QueenCamilla · 17/08/2022 14:52

Long relationship = loss of sex drive for me.

I'm a flirt, attractive, fit, sexy and sexual.... Whilst single.
I only truly enjoy the first 3 months of sex. After that it either settles into: "I'm in awe of this man, he's so exciting" and I carry on what now constitutes Making an Effort.
Or: it all feels like a huge compromise of not enough sleep and getting "poked" all the time. I then leave.

I've decided that NO man in the world is worth the gargantuan effort of having sex with ( on duty) for decades of my life.

I'd be glad to find a man who wants one night of passion a week, whilst being a great non-sexual company for another couple of nights. Can't find that. Even Friends with Benefits turns into sex-on-demand.

I'd say free your wife and split up. As long as you can be a decent co-parent, she'll probably be overjoyed. It is soul-destroying to be in a dull marriage whilst having to provide sex-service.

I don't think there's anything wrong with me, other women or men who don't enjoy "committed" sex. The relationship set-up itself is wrong.

DiamondTeal · 17/08/2022 16:55

Yes interesting take @QueenCamilla 🙂

DiamondTeal · 17/08/2022 16:56

OP has not been back. But yeah, I do think they should split up. It sounds awful tbh.

thelastkingdom · 17/08/2022 23:42

I am still here, just taking it all in :-)

@QueenCamilla - I get your point and I do know what you mean but I am only looking for sex maybe 3 or 4 times a year, not everyday.

@maryannetwoin - that is awful what you describe but I don't recognize myself there at all. I haven't tried anything for over a year. I have wined and dined for 4 days in ibiza, bought clothes etc and didn't assume anything.

OP posts:
QueenCamilla · 18/08/2022 00:11

@thelastkingdom
The sad thing is (and I suspect true for most long-term relationships ) that you'd both most likely be having more sex once apart. Way more than 3-4 times a year.

I know that me and my exDH both went onto a shag-fest once we called a day on our sex-less marriage. It was mostly sex-less from my side.

I don't know what the solution is. I suppose I believe that there is no sulution to sex dwindling in a relationship. It would be near miraculous for it to pick up again.

My exDHs previous marriage also ended on a 5 year sex draught...

QueenCamilla · 18/08/2022 00:20

And I know that it doesn't happen to all men, but my ex, now in his mid-fifties, is starting to lose interest.

I couldn't believe my ears when he said he'd rather have a takeaway and an early night than sex with his fit and sexy 40yo fuck buddy. Apparently he told her that too and upset her... Well, I never!! 😂

My ex says it's quite a relief to not be thinking about IT most of the time .

So maybe hold on there and you'll be on the same wavelength again! 😂

PetalParty · 18/08/2022 02:23

QueenCamilla · 17/08/2022 14:52

Long relationship = loss of sex drive for me.

I'm a flirt, attractive, fit, sexy and sexual.... Whilst single.
I only truly enjoy the first 3 months of sex. After that it either settles into: "I'm in awe of this man, he's so exciting" and I carry on what now constitutes Making an Effort.
Or: it all feels like a huge compromise of not enough sleep and getting "poked" all the time. I then leave.

I've decided that NO man in the world is worth the gargantuan effort of having sex with ( on duty) for decades of my life.

I'd be glad to find a man who wants one night of passion a week, whilst being a great non-sexual company for another couple of nights. Can't find that. Even Friends with Benefits turns into sex-on-demand.

I'd say free your wife and split up. As long as you can be a decent co-parent, she'll probably be overjoyed. It is soul-destroying to be in a dull marriage whilst having to provide sex-service.

I don't think there's anything wrong with me, other women or men who don't enjoy "committed" sex. The relationship set-up itself is wrong.

So clearly expressed. I wish I had figured this out a decade ago.

How did you discover this is your makeup?

Do you think there’s any possibility of someone coming along and making you see the error of your ways?
I have seen other posters commenting that that kind of lasting and exciting sex, came into their life later in life…

If such a delayed discovery were possible, I’m not sure I’d want it to happen, I’m perfectly happy as I am, I don’t want my life ruled by sex. I’m quite happy with the novelty of those early months only, and don’t miss them when they’re gone.
Well, maybe only a long time afterwards… but that’s strongly related to the general psychological and emotional appeal of the other person, rather than the physical sex that needs to be scratched itself.

Quite undesirable to be so distracted and have such urgent needs when it’s been a long day or you’ve got stuff to do, or you just want some peace, not bleedin’ rattlin’ beds!😂

Joey69 · 18/08/2022 07:26

QueenCamilla · 18/08/2022 00:20

And I know that it doesn't happen to all men, but my ex, now in his mid-fifties, is starting to lose interest.

I couldn't believe my ears when he said he'd rather have a takeaway and an early night than sex with his fit and sexy 40yo fuck buddy. Apparently he told her that too and upset her... Well, I never!! 😂

My ex says it's quite a relief to not be thinking about IT most of the time .

So maybe hold on there and you'll be on the same wavelength again! 😂

I’m in my early 50’s (male) & I can believe that, I can feel my sex drive has declined over the last few years, a takeaway and early night sounds good to me.
being with a fit 40 yr old who wants lots of sex would be my idea of hell really these days,
my partner is going through menopause and she has absolutely zero sex drive right now so it’s working out okay for us.

Merrydance · 18/08/2022 08:07

I have not read all the replies in this thread but just wanted to comment that it is really important not to see this a your wife having a problem with sex and looking at it in regard to how she needs to address it. It is a problem you both need to address as it is a reflection of your entire relationship. Asking her to think about how she can resolve not wanting to have sex is missing the point and putting all the pressure on her, as you see it as you want sex and intimacy, but she doesn't, so she must have the problem with it. That is a real turn off.
It is great that you are hands on with the children and with housework, but that should not mean your reward is to have sex.
One thing to consider is she may feel drained of constantly giving of herself in her role as a mother and work in a school, she is finding it hard to have constant demands on her and sex is not making her feel cherished, but just another drain on the list of things she has to give. She can't feel that sex for her has been enjoyable and that is an issue you both need to resolve.
Sex is often not a stand alone event for many, being able to me intimate can be impacted by all aspects of your relationship on a day to day level. What you may think you are doing to try to resolve the issue, may be not what she needs. Stop seeing it as her problem and that she needs to give out because you help care for the children and do housework.
This is not about sex it is about how she feels about your relationship, how she feels about herself. You need to see it as an issue you both have and rather focussing on sex, look at your life together and her happiness generally.

Johnny69 · 18/12/2022 17:13

Similar for me, in 40's, she is in 50's, 3 children, only one still school age, I work full time and share chores, she doesn't work.
Tried anything I could think of but always me initiating sex or asking for it, feels awful to ask for sex like I am begging, used to be different, even after the children were born but she just isn't interested anymore.

Johnny69 · 18/12/2022 17:19

I have been on sertraline but had the opposite effect for me but now off the tablets, but still a high sex drive

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