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Heartbroken over sharing custody of kids

352 replies

Lill1e · 24/07/2022 00:34

After going through months of a horrible separation when there were times I really thought I couldn’t go on because of the stress it was causing and the guilt over ending my marriage and “ruining” my children's lives, things have finally come to an end. The house is sold (ex insisted on this rather than see me stay there and “maybe one day bring in another man” - his words) , all forms signed and all arrangements agreed to. The thing is one of the requests by my ex was that he wanted shared custody and therefore wouldn’t need to pay maintenance. I believe this is why he wanted this, he says it’s cause he wants to see the kids. My solicitor and I suggested every second weekend and one day after school per week but he was having none of it. The separation was horrible I mean horrible the worst time of my life. He wouldn’t leave the house, watched me like a hawk, i was literally a prisoner in my own home. He would only leave if I agreed to the terms and so I did just to be able to move on with my life but I’m here now thinking about it and my heart is absolutely broken. How am I going to spend every second week without my kids. I will die not being able to see them every day. What have I done? I feel like I’ve sold them out just to be able to get on with my life. Has anyone on here shared custody with an ex and how did it go? I’m praying it won’t work out and they’ll want to be with me but I know that’s selfish but I will miss them so so so much. I feel even more guilty now than I did when I ended the marriage. should I go back to my solicitor and tell her I don’t want to share custody. Thanks everyone xx

OP posts:
balalake · 24/07/2022 11:49

I think you should go back to the solicitor. This does not seem to me to be an agreement voluntarily entered into, but under duress.

DillonPanthersTexas · 24/07/2022 11:53

This does not seem to me to be an agreement voluntarily entered into, but under duress

Pure projection.

Shehasadiamondinthesky · 24/07/2022 12:01

Same here OP my ex tried for 50/50 purely so he wouldn't have to pay. Ds would have had a terrible life with him as he's lazy and plain weird. He can't be trusted with a dog.
I went back to court and fought tirelessly for sole custody and got it. ExH promptly left the country to avoid paying cma but it was the best option all round.

TeapotTitties · 24/07/2022 12:05

CherryBlossomAutumn · 24/07/2022 01:49

I absolutely do not agree with a lot of the replies, they are all about ‘his rights’ - awful really - what about the children? 50/50 care has no advantage and several disadvantages in terms of children’s wellbeing and welfare. Which is the main thing, not your partner’s ‘rights’. We have no rights, only responsibilities.

Well yes, 'what about the children' is the right question to ask here.

Because not once has the OP mentioned them and what they want.

It's a difficult thing to do but the children must be put first, over and above any of the adult's feelings.

altmember · 24/07/2022 12:15

Use zoom/facetime to keep in touch with the kids while they're at their dad's.

Mycatsgoldtooth · 24/07/2022 12:16

No one I know who’s partner went for 50/50 now has the kids half only the time. Usually the dad gets bored of the hard work if their new partner isn’t up for doing the drudge work. Hope you’re ok, I’d hate a week without my kids. But I might get my new course finished without getting up at 4am. Could be a good time to do something for yourself x

LuckySantangelo35 · 24/07/2022 12:17

altmember · 24/07/2022 12:15

Use zoom/facetime to keep in touch with the kids while they're at their dad's.

@altmember

no she needs to spend the time the kids are at their dads cultivating her own life, social life and hobbies etc.
its his time with his kids
she likely wouldn’t like it if dad was constantly FaceTiming during her weekends with them

Thisisworsethananticpated · 24/07/2022 12:19

I’d love 50:50

and …..
right now it’s raw and hard and horrible

my username is from when me and ex
first split

but assuming he’s not abusive , it’s very healthy and
you will have to see …..

time to get your life back
hobbies , friends , dating , work etc

you had a life before the kids ?
im not
minimising how painful this is

but you need to get your hope

Hhd1 · 24/07/2022 12:19

You get used to it Op. All will be good.

hotdogonacoldday · 24/07/2022 12:21

Shared custody is tough on everyone, and ideally to start with I'd suggest a 4 day turnaround (or more frequently) so everyone can get used to it. I'm not at all convinced that 50/50 is ever in kids' interest, it's about being "fair" for the parents...but I do worry that it might mean the kids don't feel that they have an actual home...

my XH (abusive) is fortunately too preoccupied with himself to want our DC that much, but I struggle when they are with him for more than a few days/nights; OP make yourself busy, even if you don't feel like it, get out and see people/do stuff...anything that stops you sitting at home missing them.

You will eventually find that you get to enjoy your "me time", or at least some of it; I can't say I enjoy all of it, but I do look forward to a certain amount now, and arrange to see friends or just catch up with stuff that could never have been done when I had the DC to think about. It has also, strangely, freed me to be a better mum - I'm much less stressed than when he was here, much more able to think "to hell with the dishes" and play with them...the house is a tip but I don't care, I just enjoy being with the DC when they're here.

You may well find that the reality of having them that much is too much for your X, it happens a lot...so be "helpful" when he wants you to help by having them more and if he's anything like my X he will gradually want them to spend more time with you so he can get on with "his" life...

Best of luck love, you ended your marriage for good reason I'm sure, but I know this is hard to cope with Flowers

oakleaffy · 24/07/2022 12:22

@Lill1e
My husband left when DS was under 5
He very rarely if ever had DS to stay overnight, and that really did cause DS upset.

It’s what is best for your children that is fairest.
I must admit you not being able to stay in house is bad, how on Earth did he manage to get you out?!

Much as it hurts, you have to let the children see their dad, and please, please don’t badmouth him to them-
I learned the hard way with this- It’s not fair on them.
Years down the line we get on ok now -
Much easier that way.

MD1803 · 24/07/2022 12:29

OP didn’t provide too much background about what he is like as a father, which is her decision to make. Regardless, there seem to be a lot of views formed based on assumptions.

Fathers do and should have the right to see their children as much as their mothers in ideal world, but each case will be different. Not all fathers will be a textbook example of what a great father should be, equally not all mothers (although probably less common with mothers).

But it is important to understand the specific situation. If the father is not that engaged and there is some other agenda involved is it the best for the children?

Wheresmywoolyjumpers · 24/07/2022 12:31

As others have said OP, keep busy and try to make sure you have things planned during the week they are with your ex. Maybe things that you wouldnt do with the kids around? Acknowledge it is sad, but try to stay away from statements like 'I cant cope' - they will set you up to feel awful. Try to be more realistic - 'this sucks, I am very sad, this feels really hard' and remind yourself you are a good mum who wants the best for her children. As for the custody arrangements, who knows what will happen. If they continue as is, the children will know both parents love and want them. If not, you may get more time. Take care OP, I know this is hard.

rainrelief · 24/07/2022 12:35

Floralnomad · 24/07/2022 02:03

It’s not about his rights , it’s about the rights of the children to spend equal time with both parents . Just because we are mothers it doesn’t give us more right to have time with our children .

I don’t know. I would hate to move between two homes like this if I were a kid. Surely everyone wants a main home?

People on here seem to hate the idea of nesting, because the adults hate feeling like ‘visitors’ but I think it’s probably best for kids, where parents can afford it/ make it work.

YRGAM · 24/07/2022 12:40

rainrelief · 24/07/2022 12:35

I don’t know. I would hate to move between two homes like this if I were a kid. Surely everyone wants a main home?

People on here seem to hate the idea of nesting, because the adults hate feeling like ‘visitors’ but I think it’s probably best for kids, where parents can afford it/ make it work.

Presumably you're happy for the children to have their main residency with the father in that case then, if your priority is avoiding children moving about too much?

NC12345665 · 24/07/2022 12:45

Bjarnum · 24/07/2022 10:15

As he seems so intent on spite perhaps hint that when he has the dc you are going to have a "good time" then watch him frantically trying to sabotage that by repeatedly "giving" you more time with them?

Seriously, grow up. Children pick up on parents playing bs mind games.

Icedbannoffee · 24/07/2022 12:47

HardRockOwl · 24/07/2022 10:08

The lengths some women will go to to defend shit men is astonishing sometimes.

What have you read that makes you assume he's a 'shit man'?

NC12345665 · 24/07/2022 12:49

Lill1e · 24/07/2022 11:16

Again thanks to everyone for replies. I have had the kids full time for the past few months after ex eventually moved out. He wasn’t forced out but it was impossible to live together like that. When he did move out he was asked on a few occasions to have the kids overnight which he refused as he was out enjoying his single life and not by himself either I should add so he’s not the heartbroken husband and dad that some people are thinking he is. I know him and how he thinks. Been with him over 20 years. I appreciate all the comments though especially the ones with advice and I do understand where the others are coming from. Thanks again

Drip drip drip

Brefugee · 24/07/2022 12:53

a friend of mine has 5 kids - youngest 8 i think - and has been separated/divorced for 3 years or so. The children all live in the family home. The parents each have their own place (she has a new partner, he doesn't) and take it turn and turn about week at a time - handover sunday mid afternoon - living in what was the family home, and their own place. At the beginning they had a small studio apartment that they shared on their "off" week, but now they have their own places. The children haven't had to give up school, friends, clubs or even bedrooms and have adjusted well.

Friend told me that they never considered anything other than 50/50 and while the start was difficult and they all took time to get over it, the children have always come first. (natch you need a bit of money to do this)

ihavenocats · 24/07/2022 12:57

People are being unsympathetic but I feel your pain. It would be my worst nightmare because not having my child with me would leave a gaping hole in my life. It does when she's not here for more than a day even though I bare it as I know she's having a wonderful time.

Take the knowledge they're having a wonderful time away and you're there missing your kids knowing they miss you but you can't be together. A recipe for absolute misery.

"oh their poor dad" - maybe he's expressing his own sorrow somewhere about only seeing his kids part time? No, course he isn't. It's not the same for dads. Why do you think it's 99% of the time the dad that walks out not the mum. Virtue signalling egalitarian bullcrap.

But there's nothing you can do so you need to make a plan to fill that time with something that's going to take your mind completely away. Something creative, think along the lines of that novel you've always wanted to write.

You can't change it so make the best of it, basically.

lickenchugget · 24/07/2022 13:00

"oh their poor dad" - maybe he's expressing his own sorrow somewhere about only seeing his kids part time? No, course he isn't. It's not the same for dads. Why do you think it's 99% of the time the dad that walks out not the mum. Virtue signalling egalitarian bullcrap.

This is a horrendous take. Might have been true for you, is not true for most.

Whiskeypowers · 24/07/2022 13:00

Katypp · 24/07/2022 11:20

To be honest OP I think you need to get a life outside of your children if you feel such a possessive wrench when they are not with you.
What are you going to do when the leave home?
So many women on here expect the man to ge the main breadwinner when together then try to turn this, against them when they split, stating that she has been the main carer and dad has not done as much as her.
As a mum of three older kids, it honestly sounds like a dream to have a decent chunk of time to yourself regularly. If you are struggling to see how you will cope with this, you need to reassess your dependence on your children.

I don’t think it unreasonable or incomprehensible for a parent to feel dread at only seeing their child half the time especially when they are young and spend all their time with you.
lots of parents don’t have much of a life outside every young children especially if there is no wider family support or other circumstances which prevent this. Young children are quite literally a full time responsibility so it’s not hard to imagine feeling overwhelmed at the thought of not being in their lives half the time.

I don’t especially think 50/50 is a fair arrangement for a child. It only works if the split is amicable, it’s parties respect each other and put the children’s emotional orientation first, as well as jointly honouring commitments like out of school activities, parties, doctors appointments, homework, uniforms, resources etc

many time that understanding and equilibrium is not in place and it’s a lot of upheaval for children to mollify parents whose relationship has and is failing .I wonder if when asked how many of them actually really are happy with it.

Whiskeypowers · 24/07/2022 13:03

NC12345665 · 24/07/2022 12:49

Drip drip drip

Bloody hell Hardly a drip feed she’s only posted what, four times

AnnieSnap · 24/07/2022 13:09

SleepingStandingUp · 24/07/2022 01:10

Obv we don't know if he's a shit, disengaged Disney Dad who'll ignore them half the tien, but generally it's not unreasonable that a loving parent would want to see their kid more than EOW and dinner once a week. I'd also refuse it in his shoes.

How old are the kids? Is a week at a time best for them or could then do say four days at each so it's less, time from each parent?

I may be wrong, but given the details provided, I think the OP would have told us is their were problems with the father’s parenting.

Surely, where both parents are good with the children, the best option for them is joint custody. OP, you will adapt.

whynotwhatknot · 24/07/2022 13:11

How old are the dc-did you get legal adivce about the house living arrangements before agreeing?