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Is this too weird?

133 replies

Mam576 · 07/05/2022 12:30

A while ago I had a minor break in at home, detective (super hot) come the next day to take statement. He stayed for over an hour because my career also has involvement with police. So we chatted mainly about that, he’s been helping me via email with a few things. He was talking about his kids (he has 2) and I just thought he was a genuinely nice person, even though I felt really attracted to him I presumed he was probably on a relationship etc.

Anyway, this morning I am 95% sure I seen him on Tinder! Same name, really really looked like him (only seen him once in Dec!) but then I thought he has quite a senior job would he really be on Tinder?! I’m soooo tempted to email him now and say do you have private email address (I’ve just got his work one) and say hey did I see you on Tinder 😂

would that be really weird? I have his mobile number as has to send him WhatsApp messages of break in but I wouldn’t dare text him haha.

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AndSoFinally · 07/05/2022 15:03

I would, and did do this.

I witnessed people breaking a glass shop front on a night out and had a PC come to take a statement. He gave me his mobile number, "in case I remembered anything else". I texted him a couple of weeks later and asked him out. We were together about 18 months in the end.

He told me they don't always give out their personal numbers, and they mostly do it if they're hoping you'll call.

This was 20 odd years ago though. I imagine the rules may have changed a bit.

Mam576 · 07/05/2022 15:10

@AndSoFinally so he was waiting for you to call? Otherwise he would have got into trouble?

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girlmom21 · 07/05/2022 15:10

Mam576 · 07/05/2022 14:45

I’m just re-read the emails and he said if you need to speak just give me a call you’ve got my mobile number. Would a WhatsApp message defintley be off limits ? 😂

If he's so willingly divulged his private life and phone number you'll be one of many.

It's gross misconduct on his part to use his position at work to pick up women.

PCAMA · 07/05/2022 15:11

I'm a detective who used to attend burglaries to get statements, it does happen! In our force, every burglary would be attended by uniformed officers and then we would follow up. A good statement will take an hour or more and occasionally I would end up chatting about other stuff whilst taking the statement as well so that's not out of the ordinary, unless you're suggesting that he stayed for an extra hour just to chat.

HOWEVER... Every police officer completes training that specifically says "DO NOT SHAG VICTIMS, WITNESSES OR SUSPECTS" (ok maybe it doesn't use the word shag, but the premise is the same). I once had to give out my personal number to someone I dealt with because my work phone was broken and they had to have a way of contacting me. I informed my DS and as soon as my work phone was fixed, I gave them that number and immediately blocked their number on my personal phone. I wonder if this officer has declared anything to his DS? (I'm going to guess he hasn't).

If someone I dealt with sent me a message like you want to, I would ignore it and report it, it's not worth my job. If you really feel you just have to message him, I would suggest doing it via Tinder. We can have relationships with people we meet through the job but we have to consider whether there is still a "professional" relationship there - if there is, we shouldn't be going near them. On the other hand, if you hit on him via his work email and he's responsive to that, at least you know he's dodgy because he's ignoring the very strict rules in place for using his role to form unprofessional relationships!

The only other thing I would consider is, if he's willing to give his personal number to you and tell him you can call him any time, how many other women do you think he's given it to....

PS. Detective Constable isn't senior and he won't be "heading" any unit, unless he's an acting Sergeant. If he's trying to tell you he's senior to other constables he's already lying...

PCAMA · 07/05/2022 15:12

Sorry, when I say "my DS" I mean my Detective Sergeant, not my dear son!

youvegottenminuteslynn · 07/05/2022 15:16

If he's so willingly divulged his private life and phone number you'll be one of many. It's gross misconduct on his part to use his position at work to pick up women.

This.

I grew up in a family of lots of police.

This is totally unprofessional and he's bullshitting you if he says he's heading up a department.

The blokes who do this do it a lot and unfortunately it works. They're dicks though. Unprofessional dicks.

Mam576 · 07/05/2022 15:17

@PCAMA thank you for the message. That’s very understandable that there is such strict protocols in place. However, is this still the case once a case is closed?

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PCAMA · 07/05/2022 15:27

From the College of Policing Guidance:

  1. Do not engage in, or pursue, a sexual or improper
emotional relationship, on or off duty, with any member of the public who you have come into contact with during the course of your current work or duties.
  1. While you may find yourself attracted to a member
of the public, or find yourself in a situation where someone is attracted to you, it is your responsibility not to act on these feelings. This is to prevent any harm that such actions may cause and to maintain the integrity of the policing profession.
  1. Inform a line manager as soon as is practicable if a
member of the public attempts to pursue a sexual or improper emotional relationship with you, so that control measures can be put in place. Treat them politely and considerately and try to re-establish a professional boundary, in addition to informing your line manager. If their behaviour continues, discuss with your manager the most appropriate way for you to respectfully disengage from that individual while a policing response is still provided.
  1. Do not use your professional relationship with a
member of the public to pursue a relationship with someone close to them. For example, do not use visits to engage in or pursue a relationship with a member of the public’s family member. 10. Do not end a professional relationship with a member of the public solely to engage in or pursue a personal relationship with them. Relationships with members of the public where there was previous professional contact 11. Depending on the circumstances, developing a sexual or improper emotional relationship with a member of the public with whom you have had former professional contact may also amount to an abuse of your position. Factors that may be relevant when assessing whether the relationship would represent an abuse of position include: – degree of previous professional involvement – length of previous professional involvement – vulnerability of member of the public currently and when professional contact took place – period since cessation of professional contact. Power imbalance 12. It is your responsibility to be aware of the imbalance of power between you as a member of a police service and members of the public you come into contact with through your work, and to maintain professional boundaries. While a sexual or improper emotional relationship with any member of the public met through work is likely to be a breach of this guidance, the breach will be aggravated where the member of the public is particularly vulnerable.

You claim to still be in contact over email in a professional setting, so to start a relationship would involve him breaching the guidance. Of course, he could end that professional relationship with you to pursue something, but that would be a breach as well.

Honestly OP, from a professional standards point of view he's already on thin ice with his actions so far. If he was to pursue a relationship I'd say he'd either have to absolutely sure you are "the one" and willing to risk his job, or he doesn't care about the guidelines that tell him not to do this in which case I guarantee you're not the only woman with his personal number and he's not a good person. Make of that what you will.

Mam576 · 07/05/2022 15:44

Thanks @PCAMA for the update.

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triggery · 07/05/2022 16:12

he has your personal WhatsApp.
He'd have done it if he was interested.

He wouldn't be that stupid surely? That's a sackable offence. I know from experience...

Mam576 · 07/05/2022 16:15

@triggery i thought the same, that’s why maybe if I wait to see if it’s a match on Tinder, it’s less likely to be blurring lines

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cocktailclub · 07/05/2022 16:23

Sounds as if he's already been unprofessional although you're determined to give it a go. Good luck. Dodgy policemen are the worst so be wanted.

Mam576 · 07/05/2022 16:30

I honestly don’t think he’s been dodgy in the slightest here. If he had made an inappropriate comment that would be different

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Planesmistakenforstars · 07/05/2022 16:31

Ffs why are you ignoring all the advice to just match with him on Tinder. It's a dating site and you have the option to use it so why wouldn't you? Of course you should't hit on him using his work email or a number you were given in a professional capacity, that would be weird and creepy.

D0lphine · 07/05/2022 16:32

Image the genders were reversed and a female police officer was asked out by someone she met in a work capacity...

Hawkins001 · 07/05/2022 16:32

I'd say get legal counsel first to make sure all is ok

youvegottenminuteslynn · 07/05/2022 16:52

Mam576 · 07/05/2022 16:30

I honestly don’t think he’s been dodgy in the slightest here. If he had made an inappropriate comment that would be different

Are you not listening to the overwhelmingly similar advice people are giving?

That this is unprofessional, frowned upon and that it's likely he has form for this?

That if he's told you he's heading up a team (did he?) it's incredibly unlikely due to his ranking?

That whatsapping a victim / witness, which would be done from a personal phone, is completely out of line and would usually mean disciplinary process?

Do you not believe all of that?

Fedupbuyer · 07/05/2022 18:59

Yes on WhatsApp.case is closed.

rumred · 07/05/2022 19:08

What @PCAMA said in their first message. If he's giving his number to you do you really believe he's not doing it to any woman who takes his fancy?

springbreak22 · 07/05/2022 21:58

Tinder

AndSoFinally · 07/05/2022 22:21

@AndSoFinally so he was waiting for you to call? Otherwise he would have got into trouble?

How do you mean? I don't think he would have gotten into trouble. I just mean he wouldn't have given me his private number if he didn't want me to, would just have given me the desk number

NamelessWalls · 08/05/2022 11:18

Hi OP,

I work in a police Professional Standards Dept. If you date him, he would definitely get sacked, and in public too as our hearings are open to the public.

Please leave him alone, I am present when 3/4 a year are sacked for this. Not one of the relationships have lasted and the officer sometimes ends up in court too for misconduct in public office so could go to jail. It's an absolute no no, just like sleeping with your doctor. It doesn't matter if your case is closed, he was the OIC and that makes it totally out of bounds.

If he wants to date you knowing the above he's a scumbag... An honest decent cop would always say no.

youvegottenminuteslynn · 08/05/2022 11:34

So based on the answers @Mam576 have you decided what you're going to do or are you ignoring the police officers who have shared the facts?

knittingaddict · 08/05/2022 11:52

D0lphine · 07/05/2022 14:34

Loads of this is so so wrong

In so many ways. Isn't detective constable the lowest of the low? Hardly senior and if op has been communicating with him and deals with the police sometimes how does she not know that?

elliesmummy19 · 08/05/2022 11:57

I don’t know if it’s weird but something seems off and he seems very unprofessional. I’d personally steer clear.