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Misatched libido is causing issues.

115 replies

Enzso · 20/04/2022 14:25

First time poster. I wasn't going to post here but I think I need to hear mostly female perspectives so it's probably the best place.

Married with two teenage children. Childhood sweethearts (first together 33 years ago) but we both went and had other relationships before we eventually came back to one another and got married. Best friends. There's nobody in the world I'd rather spend time with. We communicate well, we're attracted to one another, there's complete trust between us.

Our issue is our mismatched libidos. Mine is very active, my wife's is on life support. When we have sex it's usually great. Loving, with a deep connection, we both get a lot of it. But she can go without it for weeks whereas I find that very difficult.

As a result, my advances are often rejected. It's very unpredictable when she'll be open to sex. We could go on a night out, or spend the day together, it doesn't necessarily lead to anything. We talk about it a lot. My wife acknowledges she has "blockages". Finds it very difficult to get aroused initially or to be in the moment. Her awareness of our kids in the house is an issue for her (although I doubt they can hear anything) but she's not often open to daytime sex either when they're both at school. For my part I talk or joke about sex too much, which she sometimes takes as pressure. I'm working on that. We would see a sex therapist but we don't know what they'd say. We talk about it. We tell each other what we want. We're both present in the marriage. Housework is 5050. We have good kids and no stresses in life.

Lately our work schedules have shifted so that we may only have 1, perhaps 2 nights a week together where we go to bed at the same time. While I'm always hopeful something might happen, I try not to project or mention it, as I know that doesn't help. More recently though on those nights we're together there's been a very minor disagreement early in the evening that's spoiled the mood between us. We're fine the next day but I've found the disagreements incredibly disappointing and frustrating. It's just one more thing to come between us at the moment.

When it last happened four nights ago, something in me switched. I was done with it all (not the marriage, just the constant unpredictability and rejection). When that's happened before I withdraw all affection. A bit like I'm punishing her, because she loves cuddles and I'm very touch feely with her. "See! How do you like it?" Usually in a day or two I get over it, we laugh, and the cycle begins again. This time however I'm four days in and have no desire to back down. My wall has gone up. She could tell the day after it happened I was upset, and she suggested we be spontaneous and go and get a hotel room that night. I said I didn't want to and meant it (normally that would be amazing but normally she would never suggest it). The constant rejection hurts over time and sometimes I just don't want to be understanding. Maybe the wall will come down in another day or two, maybe I really am done.

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Ionlydomassiveones · 21/04/2022 20:30

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Fluffyhairteddy · 21/04/2022 20:37

But the point is if it IS important for one of the couple then there is a problem. Calling it a “treat” or acting like it’s no big deal if one half of the couple is perpetually unsatisfied is really not treating your partner with respect. I think it’s very important to get this aspect right for the longevity and happiness of a relationship.

(and I’m willing to bet that all is not roses in your friends’ adoring but sexless marriages. Check back in 5/10 years…)

higherthanthat · 21/04/2022 20:43

A mismatch in libido can only lead to unhappiness. And there’s only so much unhappiness you can take, right?

This. I doubt there is much you can do about this. And its unlikely to get better. You need to decide if you can continue to live like this. Or if its time to write a new chapter in your life.

higherthanthat · 21/04/2022 20:47

Sex is one aspect of that - plenty of married couples I personally know (four) who adore each other, spend all their time together, but have little or no sex

I suggest you spend time on one of the married people dating sites. These sites have huge numbers of men in their 40s onwards who state they absolutely adore their wives but their wife no longer wants sex so they are looking for 'one woman' to form a sexual adulterous relationship with. The wives you speak to might think the marriage is doing well without sex, the husband is quite likely to have found a solution to that problem.

Moser85 · 21/04/2022 23:04

The OPs wife clearly does not want to have sex with him. It is blindingly obvious going by what he has said.

But she can go without it for weeks whereas I find that very difficult.

No one just wants sex every few weeks, what's happening there is it takes her that long to psyche herself up to do it, she starts to feel the tension in the air when they haven't had sex in a while etc. Anyone who has ever been in a dynamic like that understands.

People can be very quick to call it coercive, but there also needs to be responsibility placed on the partner who doesn't want sex to be 100% honest and truthful about it. Then the other person can make an informed decision about if they want to stay in the relationship. If the partner is not honest then the other person clings onto hope that it will be fixed etc.

Without normalising complete honesty in the no libido partner then 'coercive' sex in this context is going to continue to be a thing, labelling it as coercive doesn't actually stop it in any way.

Yes relationships will end, and I understand that generally it is fear of the relationship ending that stops the person from being fully honest, but that is better than relationships ending up like this with all of the associated issues!

Mumof3confused · 21/04/2022 23:56

This is coercive behaviour and it’s soul destroying to be subjected to this. It killed my own marriage. As @Moser85 says, the tension and the pressure is awful to live with.

On the one hand I do understand the frustration and rejection by the other partner but there are so many ways to go about it that don’t involve stonewalling, sulking, joking etc.

As for her, she says she enjoys it and wants it but less often. I would question whether she really means this deep down. Would she be able to tell you the potentially hurtful truth?

Sometimes there’s a medical reason for a lack of libido, ie thyroid issues or menopause, worth investigating and there are medications available for this.

Other times, as in my case, the body just says ‘no’ and it may be a symptom of other areas that are not working well within the relationship and it has turned you off your partner. In my case, I realised after much therapy, that I was parenting my own husband. He is a man child and we are not biologically programmed to be sexually attracted to children. It turns out that there’s nothing wrong with my sex drive. I just didn’t want to have sex with him anymore.

So, for anyone in this situation I think you need to explore medical causes, but also take a long, hard look at your own behaviour as well as consider counselling where you may have to be brutally honest with each other. It was very, very hard for me to confess to my partner that I didn’t have any sexual desire for him anymore. We have not been able to repair our relationship.

me4real · 22/04/2022 01:46

Stop feeling like you are not being given what you need. It's your job to make sure you get what you need

That sounds kinda creepy. How does OP 'make sure he gets the sex he 'needs'' from his wife?

(sex is a want not a need BTW.)

I suggest you spend time on one of the married people dating sites. These sites have huge numbers of men in their 40s onwards who state they absolutely adore their wives but their wife no longer wants sex

@higherthanthat Oh, so these men after sex from other women say they have a 'sexless marriage' eh? Never heard that one before.

Moser85 · 22/04/2022 02:52

me4real · 22/04/2022 01:46

Stop feeling like you are not being given what you need. It's your job to make sure you get what you need

That sounds kinda creepy. How does OP 'make sure he gets the sex he 'needs'' from his wife?

(sex is a want not a need BTW.)

I suggest you spend time on one of the married people dating sites. These sites have huge numbers of men in their 40s onwards who state they absolutely adore their wives but their wife no longer wants sex

@higherthanthat Oh, so these men after sex from other women say they have a 'sexless marriage' eh? Never heard that one before.

He leaves his wife if he needs sex, rather than trying to get her to have sex she doesn't want.

Totally disagree that it's not a need. Within a relationship it can be a need. No one will die without it, but surely you have some relationship 'needs' of your own if you're in one.

And of course some men lie about being in sexless marriages, but there are plenty who aren't lying, there's also been plenty of threads on here over the years where the man was cheating and the woman said that they hadn't been having sex.

benevernomore · 22/04/2022 09:28

@higherthanthat Oh, so these men after sex from other women say they have a 'sexless marriage' eh? Never heard that one before

Oh for goodness sake, how many threads are there on here where the H says his wife has stopped having sex with him? How many where the wife has stopped having sex and found out the H was having an affair? How many where the women goes through menopause and finds she no longer wants sex? There are plenty of sexless marriages.

And there is less need to lie on those sites. Everyone woman on them has decided they are ok having sex with a married man after all. If they were going to lie they surely have more incentive to lie about their wife being their best mate, and how much they love her, but they are pretty upfront about that. Face it, there are plenty of men in their 40's, 50's and even 60's (and a few in their 70's on that site) who really are looking to form an sexual friendship with another woman as their wife, whom they genuinely like, no longer wants to have sex with them. Those sites make it pretty easy to find someone to have an affair with..

Dissimilitude · 22/04/2022 09:58

It makes me curious when some posters react so vehemently to a man posting a thread like this.

I'm no psychologist, but it feels like there's a lot of projection going on here...

me4real · 22/04/2022 11:49

@benevernomore There are also a lot of threads where a bloke has got someone to have an affair with him, parly by claiming his marriage is sexless. It's textbook.

benevernomore · 23/04/2022 10:55

me4real · 22/04/2022 11:49

@benevernomore There are also a lot of threads where a bloke has got someone to have an affair with him, parly by claiming his marriage is sexless. It's textbook.

Exactly. On the married people's dating sites you don't need to 'get someone' to have an affair with you. They are already ready to have sex with a married man. Hence no need to lie about the sexless marriage. They have already bought into the married affair partner deal!
I am not saying that some married men don't lie about this. But there are still an awful lot of married men in sexless marriages who will seek affairs to cope with the sexless marriage. That's a pretty bloody textbook reason for having an affair.

I am not sure what your motivation is for denying this.

BigButtons · 23/04/2022 10:59

Op- I get it completely. I have the same issue- I am a woman and have a much higher sex drive than my partner.

me4real · 23/04/2022 13:37

@benevernomore I'm not denying it but a lot of men who say they're in a 'sexless marriage' are lying. Even on adultery sites, saying they've felt they had to resort to it due to a sexless marriage probably helps them pull, as it makes them sound better than if they say they have sex with their wives but just fancy more sex on the side.

benevernomore · 23/04/2022 15:17

me4real · 23/04/2022 13:37

@benevernomore I'm not denying it but a lot of men who say they're in a 'sexless marriage' are lying. Even on adultery sites, saying they've felt they had to resort to it due to a sexless marriage probably helps them pull, as it makes them sound better than if they say they have sex with their wives but just fancy more sex on the side.

Telling someone you want to shag that you love your wife who is your best mate is not a great pulling tactic, actually, but the men on those sites still frequently say that.
But leaving that aside, I really don't see why you are debating this at all. Saying that men (and women) who are not getting sex from their partners but who want to have sexual intimacy are primed for seeking an affair, is a no brainer. Countering with ' ah men lie about not getting sex' is daft. It doesn't take away from the very obvious fact, and also well attested on this site, that some people in sexless marriages will seek affairs and that it is pretty easy for them to find willing partners in this modern age thanks to married people's dating sites.

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