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Misatched libido is causing issues.

115 replies

Enzso · 20/04/2022 14:25

First time poster. I wasn't going to post here but I think I need to hear mostly female perspectives so it's probably the best place.

Married with two teenage children. Childhood sweethearts (first together 33 years ago) but we both went and had other relationships before we eventually came back to one another and got married. Best friends. There's nobody in the world I'd rather spend time with. We communicate well, we're attracted to one another, there's complete trust between us.

Our issue is our mismatched libidos. Mine is very active, my wife's is on life support. When we have sex it's usually great. Loving, with a deep connection, we both get a lot of it. But she can go without it for weeks whereas I find that very difficult.

As a result, my advances are often rejected. It's very unpredictable when she'll be open to sex. We could go on a night out, or spend the day together, it doesn't necessarily lead to anything. We talk about it a lot. My wife acknowledges she has "blockages". Finds it very difficult to get aroused initially or to be in the moment. Her awareness of our kids in the house is an issue for her (although I doubt they can hear anything) but she's not often open to daytime sex either when they're both at school. For my part I talk or joke about sex too much, which she sometimes takes as pressure. I'm working on that. We would see a sex therapist but we don't know what they'd say. We talk about it. We tell each other what we want. We're both present in the marriage. Housework is 5050. We have good kids and no stresses in life.

Lately our work schedules have shifted so that we may only have 1, perhaps 2 nights a week together where we go to bed at the same time. While I'm always hopeful something might happen, I try not to project or mention it, as I know that doesn't help. More recently though on those nights we're together there's been a very minor disagreement early in the evening that's spoiled the mood between us. We're fine the next day but I've found the disagreements incredibly disappointing and frustrating. It's just one more thing to come between us at the moment.

When it last happened four nights ago, something in me switched. I was done with it all (not the marriage, just the constant unpredictability and rejection). When that's happened before I withdraw all affection. A bit like I'm punishing her, because she loves cuddles and I'm very touch feely with her. "See! How do you like it?" Usually in a day or two I get over it, we laugh, and the cycle begins again. This time however I'm four days in and have no desire to back down. My wall has gone up. She could tell the day after it happened I was upset, and she suggested we be spontaneous and go and get a hotel room that night. I said I didn't want to and meant it (normally that would be amazing but normally she would never suggest it). The constant rejection hurts over time and sometimes I just don't want to be understanding. Maybe the wall will come down in another day or two, maybe I really am done.

OP posts:
Fishwishy · 20/04/2022 19:22

Wingingit15 · 20/04/2022 19:05

@Wartywart it’s actually shocking how this OP is treated so differently

It's not really shocking years of being on here shows just typical man hating Mumsnet really. I have raised the issues of double standards that go right to moderation standards too. One comment aimed at a man get allowed to stand an identical one making a similar comment about a woman gets removed.

I think men should think carefully before taking advice or putting too much of their lives into MN. As I'm not even convinced it is a woman centric website (the majority views aren't shared by my female peers) but a specific feminist woman's site on the whole (although there are some balanced viewpoints occasionally).

To the op read that link posted above you probably find yourself in the same position but genders reversed.

Jumpking · 20/04/2022 19:25

me4real · 20/04/2022 18:43

I think it's probably better though that you seek the help of a sex therapist

I know a PP said she had a good experience, but so often this sort of therapy is pushed by husbands/partners to try and get women to do things sexually they don't want to do, or more often than they want.

There's nothing wrong with OP's wife that she needs therapy for when it comes to sex, as far as we know. She just doesn't want sex as often as him (the pestering, 'jokes' and stropping are bound to contribute to that.)

But why is it ok that she decides to close the conversation for both of them? If she loves her husband, then talking about something with him that he is finding extremely difficult with the help of a trained counsellor is something she should be willing to do.

It's not about "she should be having sex more", it's about "somethings not working well between us and I want to seek help with him to improve things"

Talking to my friend through the years has made me realise just how deeply hurt he is that his wife's say is the only say in this. If he pushes her, he's seen as a sex pest. If he says nothing, he's deeply unhappy. If he suggests a sex therapist, he again gets rejected by his wife when she shows she's not willing to work with him to improve things. It wears a man down.

I agree the posts on this thread are sadly in stark contrast to the woman in the same position in the other listed thread.

Dissimilitude · 20/04/2022 19:35

Absolutely predictable how different the initial reaction is to this OP than to the other recent threads.

Feelingoktoday · 20/04/2022 19:36

I loved Sex ten years ago. Now menopausal I can’t be bothered. I’m not blocked. I can’t help my hormones. I do take HRT but that does nothing for my libido just means sex doesn’t hurt. My partner has started to go on and on about how little he gets. That turns me off. I tell him he needs to “woo”’me and it isn’t all about him now. Perhaps show some empathy. A little romance may help. I understand not wanting sex when the teenagers are around.

NoSquirrels · 20/04/2022 19:42

We would see a sex therapist but we don't know what they'd say.

Isn’t this sort of the point? To go get different ideas, see what an expert and impartial outsider can offer to solve a particular problem? For whatever reason the talking between the two of you hasn’t resolved it, and might be adding more pressure. If you knew what a sex therapist would say you’d have fixed it already.

I think you sound not unreasonable- the desire to have sexual intimacy in a long-term partnership is not unreasonable. Rejection hurts.

As others have pointed out, pressure - jokingly, implied, ever-present - is a turn off despite good intentions. Sometimes just the idea of having to fix an issue is the biggest turn off of all.

Go see someone to help you both talk productively and make a plan of action. You love each other, you’re both open to it - why are you waiting?

me4real · 20/04/2022 20:45

how deeply hurt he is that his wife's say is the only say in this

@Jumpking Aw diddums. What a mean woman she is, not having sex when she doesn't fully consent to it (because she doesn't want it) just feels she should do it.

Jumpking · 20/04/2022 20:57

me4real · 20/04/2022 20:45

how deeply hurt he is that his wife's say is the only say in this

@Jumpking Aw diddums. What a mean woman she is, not having sex when she doesn't fully consent to it (because she doesn't want it) just feels she should do it.

Oh dear, that's a very childish response with a complete lack of empathy for both parties.

She's being selfish by not discussing the matter with a trained professional, absolutely. She'd rather leave her husband deeply hurt and repeatedly rejected than have an open honest conversation about their differing needs and ways to come together.

Grown up relationships need grown up conversations sometimes.

HowlongWillThisTakeNow · 20/04/2022 21:22

Feelingoktoday · 20/04/2022 19:36

I loved Sex ten years ago. Now menopausal I can’t be bothered. I’m not blocked. I can’t help my hormones. I do take HRT but that does nothing for my libido just means sex doesn’t hurt. My partner has started to go on and on about how little he gets. That turns me off. I tell him he needs to “woo”’me and it isn’t all about him now. Perhaps show some empathy. A little romance may help. I understand not wanting sex when the teenagers are around.

I think this hits the nail on the head really, the decline in most mens sex drive is a slow linear decline in line with increased age form kinda 30’s onwards, (with exceptions of course), when their partners sex drive seems to disappear almost overnight (not literally of course), it’s a sudden shock that seems like rejection from the person you love.

ShandaLear · 20/04/2022 21:42

OP, in your post you sound like a sex pest who is now punishing his wife by withholding affection because trying to coerce her into sex didn’t work. That is REALLY not attractive. I agree with other posters. This is not going to change. No amount of counselling or therapy will turn your wife into an insatiable siren. Your libidos are mismatched. If you want more sex you will need to leave the marriage or explore options to open it up.

Veryverysadandold · 20/04/2022 22:40

@Ionlydomassiveones I found your post really refreshing. I never understand this 'need' to have sex- I was single for over a decade and didn't die from lack of sex, and I had quite a high sex drive. Surely when you get married for life you accept that sex drives can fluctuate, like body weight and amount of hair you have etc etc. There's nothing wrong with your wife OP, but if you think sex is more important than anything else you should leave her. Ps the sexiest thing my DP ever said to me was that I should never have sex with him if I didn't completely want to. It was the fact he meant it, this is hard to fake. Just have a wank and give her a cuddle?

Fr0thandBubble · 20/04/2022 23:04

me4real · 20/04/2022 20:45

how deeply hurt he is that his wife's say is the only say in this

@Jumpking Aw diddums. What a mean woman she is, not having sex when she doesn't fully consent to it (because she doesn't want it) just feels she should do it.

I agree with this post. If a woman doesn’t want sex then she doesn’t want sex. There’s no “compromise” or middle ground really - what some men seem to think is that their wives should have sex with them even when they don’t want it, just to keep them happy. That’s awful isn’t it?

I get that it’s frustrating for the man, but that feeling of frustration is not even slightly comparable to the feeling a woman has of a man having sex with her when she doesn’t want it - it’s harrowing. A man is invading her body and she doesn’t want it.

I agree with a PP who said that a lot of women just don’t want sex after the menopause and biologically that makes sense - whereas for men they keep wanting it and biologically that makes sense for them. I don’t think there’s an answer I’m afraid - the man needs to just suck it up (without being a dick about it like OP is), come to some kind of agreement with his wife where he can have sex elsewhere (not ideal) or leave (although frankly I wouldn’t think much of a man who left his family solely because he wasn’t getting sex). What the answer is NOT is to guilt/coerce his wife to have sex that she doesn’t want.

Fr0thandBubble · 20/04/2022 23:11

OP I haven’t had sex with DH for YEARS. I am perimenopausal and I just don’t want to. It’s not that I can’t be bothered - the thought of it is actually scary and horrifying to me - everything in my body just says “No”.

DH would very much like to have sex but he knows I don’t and is an absolute gentleman about it and would never pressure me or make me feel guilty. We have young children and he wouldn’t dream of leaving just because he doesn’t have sex. But then good, decent men like him are few and far between.

Fr0thandBubble · 20/04/2022 23:15

@Jumpking He doesn’t get a say in whether his wife wants sex. He just doesn’t! That is 100% his wife’s decision, to make on her own, without any guilt or pressure or sulking. I’m so fed up of these men who feel entitled to women’s bodies.

Qwill · 20/04/2022 23:21

Stop the game play. If you’ve both discussed counselling then actually do it. If this had been going on for a while and there is no change then start the process of looking for help or leaving. This odd behaviour of ‘getting in a mood’ isn’t helping anyone. I agree that sex is a big part of a relationship, otherwise it’s just friendship. But, others have different opinions. So you both need to talk about it properly and what you opinions are on the matter and get outside help if you both agree. But stop punishing each other as your children will pick up on this. Better to show them a happy relationship without each other than with if it’s causing all these mind games.

Peakypolly · 20/04/2022 23:27

I know a PP said she had a good experience, but so often this sort of therapy is pushed by husbands/partners to try and get women to do things sexually they don't want to do, or more often than they want.

I can assure you that relationship counselling is more frequently initiated by the female partner and designed to help couples reach a happy compromise, no one is made to do things they don't want too.

Dontsayyouloveme · 20/04/2022 23:38

NRTFT but peri menopause can cause a significant drop in libido.

Catlover1970 · 20/04/2022 23:39

Fr0thandBubble · 20/04/2022 23:15

@Jumpking He doesn’t get a say in whether his wife wants sex. He just doesn’t! That is 100% his wife’s decision, to make on her own, without any guilt or pressure or sulking. I’m so fed up of these men who feel entitled to women’s bodies.

Get a grip. Sex is a part of a loving marriage ! Why shouldn’t he try and resolve an issue which is important to him ?!

Catlover1970 · 20/04/2022 23:40

Fr0thandBubble · 20/04/2022 23:11

OP I haven’t had sex with DH for YEARS. I am perimenopausal and I just don’t want to. It’s not that I can’t be bothered - the thought of it is actually scary and horrifying to me - everything in my body just says “No”.

DH would very much like to have sex but he knows I don’t and is an absolute gentleman about it and would never pressure me or make me feel guilty. We have young children and he wouldn’t dream of leaving just because he doesn’t have sex. But then good, decent men like him are few and far between.

Or maybe he is getting it elsewhere

Fr0thandBubble · 20/04/2022 23:57

@Catlover1970 I very much doubt that, although I wouldn’t blame him if he were.

Fr0thandBubble · 21/04/2022 00:07

And as for saying sex is part of a loving marriage - I don’t think it has to be. What if someone is physically incapacitated and can’t have sex anymore? Does their marriage cease to be “loving”? There are a hell of a lot more important things in marriage than sex. There’s certainly nothing “loving” about forcing sex on a wife who doesn’t want it.

He can “try and resolve it” but frankly most of the time if a woman doesn’t want sex (especially if they are peri or post menopausal) there is nothing he can do to “resolve” it. Women who don’t want sex aren’t somehow defective or broken - they’re not machines that need “fixing”. Women exist outside men’s narrow ideas of them as objects for their sexual gratification, contrary to what a lot of men seem to believe.

OP’s wife has borne two children with him but now she no longer wants sex as much as him he’s getting angry and saying maybe he’s done with the marriage. I find that pretty gross actually.

Enzso · 21/04/2022 00:11

Thanks for the responses everyone. Really surprised at some of the more aggressive ones as I'd tried to show we had a really full relationship in every other way. There's a lot of lovd and respect in our marriage. Leaving isn't an option - there's nobody else I want to be with.

I probably should have said my wife says she wants to want sex more. Yes she absolutely enjoys it. Yes she absolutely has blockages - they're her words, not mine. She doesn't need to fake it or not tell me everything, that's not our marriage.

I'm sorry for the incorrect assumptions some of you have made or the tone some of you have taken in responding. That says more about you than me sadly. I see this wasn't the right place to post after all and won't return. For those who gave really considered and respectful replies, thankyou. You made some good points.

OP posts:
Watchkeys · 21/04/2022 00:14

I'm sorry for the incorrect assumptions some of you have made

This sentence says a lot about you, too, OP.

me4real · 21/04/2022 00:16

@Peakypolly I wasn't talking about relationship counselling to discuss a range of issues, as was clear. Women will often want to get their partner to work through issues.

I was talking specifically about people seeing a 'sex therapist.' Men can suggest this as part of their attempts to try and get women to do stuff.

Beamur · 21/04/2022 00:17

You post on a forum. You're not just going to hear the replies that you want. If you can't handle that, don't post.

me4real · 21/04/2022 00:19

I'm sorry for the incorrect assumptions some of you have made or the tone some of you have taken in responding. That says more about you than me sadly. I see this wasn't the right place to post after all and won't return

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