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Misatched libido is causing issues.

115 replies

Enzso · 20/04/2022 14:25

First time poster. I wasn't going to post here but I think I need to hear mostly female perspectives so it's probably the best place.

Married with two teenage children. Childhood sweethearts (first together 33 years ago) but we both went and had other relationships before we eventually came back to one another and got married. Best friends. There's nobody in the world I'd rather spend time with. We communicate well, we're attracted to one another, there's complete trust between us.

Our issue is our mismatched libidos. Mine is very active, my wife's is on life support. When we have sex it's usually great. Loving, with a deep connection, we both get a lot of it. But she can go without it for weeks whereas I find that very difficult.

As a result, my advances are often rejected. It's very unpredictable when she'll be open to sex. We could go on a night out, or spend the day together, it doesn't necessarily lead to anything. We talk about it a lot. My wife acknowledges she has "blockages". Finds it very difficult to get aroused initially or to be in the moment. Her awareness of our kids in the house is an issue for her (although I doubt they can hear anything) but she's not often open to daytime sex either when they're both at school. For my part I talk or joke about sex too much, which she sometimes takes as pressure. I'm working on that. We would see a sex therapist but we don't know what they'd say. We talk about it. We tell each other what we want. We're both present in the marriage. Housework is 5050. We have good kids and no stresses in life.

Lately our work schedules have shifted so that we may only have 1, perhaps 2 nights a week together where we go to bed at the same time. While I'm always hopeful something might happen, I try not to project or mention it, as I know that doesn't help. More recently though on those nights we're together there's been a very minor disagreement early in the evening that's spoiled the mood between us. We're fine the next day but I've found the disagreements incredibly disappointing and frustrating. It's just one more thing to come between us at the moment.

When it last happened four nights ago, something in me switched. I was done with it all (not the marriage, just the constant unpredictability and rejection). When that's happened before I withdraw all affection. A bit like I'm punishing her, because she loves cuddles and I'm very touch feely with her. "See! How do you like it?" Usually in a day or two I get over it, we laugh, and the cycle begins again. This time however I'm four days in and have no desire to back down. My wall has gone up. She could tell the day after it happened I was upset, and she suggested we be spontaneous and go and get a hotel room that night. I said I didn't want to and meant it (normally that would be amazing but normally she would never suggest it). The constant rejection hurts over time and sometimes I just don't want to be understanding. Maybe the wall will come down in another day or two, maybe I really am done.

OP posts:
YouAreNotBatman · 20/04/2022 14:38

She prbably can sense when your ”walls” go up and makes her think all you want is sex.
(Don’t bother saying you don’t, if you get distant that’s what it’s going to look to her).

And yeah, try to talk or ”joke” about sex less, that’s really annoying/juvenile/boring.

Forget sex for few weeks/months, just BE WITH HER, see how that goes.

Chilliandchocolate · 20/04/2022 14:42

I absolutely hate it when DH ‘jokes’ about sex. I really am hard pushed to think of a less appealing thing he could do. It’s gross.

Watchkeys · 20/04/2022 14:44

It seems like what you're saying is that you want her to somehow stop her walls coming up, because otherwise your walls come up, and you can't control that.

Is that right? It feels like it might not be your libidos that are mismatched, but the expectation? There's nothing like being expected to have sex to put you off wanting to have sex.

Enzso · 20/04/2022 14:58

Watchkeys · 20/04/2022 14:44

It seems like what you're saying is that you want her to somehow stop her walls coming up, because otherwise your walls come up, and you can't control that.

Is that right? It feels like it might not be your libidos that are mismatched, but the expectation? There's nothing like being expected to have sex to put you off wanting to have sex.

Yes maybe I am. The trouble is neither of us know what brings her walls up. I can not mention sex for days. We can spend a heap of time together and really enjoy being in each other's company. It makes no difference. I have no doubt she feels pressure to perform, but I have trouble accepting that's the crux of the issue, and she's never articulated that. Often I will ask if we can just make it about her pleasure because I get a kick out of that too and am perfectly happy to satisfy her - but that's also usually off the table.

OP posts:
OnlyClothes · 20/04/2022 14:59

A mismatch in libido can only lead to unhappiness. And there’s only so much unhappiness you can take, right?

Women who post here about a lack of affection or sex or physical touch or whatever get more sympathy and understanding than men do generally. It’s a women-centric website.

But all I can suggest is that you make sure you’re pulling your weight, see if she has any specific stress going on that you’re not aware of, any health issues going on? And have a talk, keep communication open, be honest etc.

I know there’ll be lots of talk about ‘men are only after one thing’, ‘you don’t love her, you just want sex’ but if I was in a relationship and after some time the other person decided (on my behalf, without my input) that I had to be celibate, or cut sex down by half, I would be desperately unhappy.

Watchkeys · 20/04/2022 15:13

Often I will ask if we can just make it about her pleasure because I get a kick out of that

You ask because you get a kick. It sounds like it's all about you. She's not interested in sex with you but you keep raising the issue, via conversations or via jokes. The disagreements are probably happening because you're hoping for sex rather than just enjoying her company, and she can feel the pressure. And then you sulk.

None of this is going to turn her on. She's more likely to be drawn to you if you respect her feelings, rather than, deep down, feeling that she's doing you an injustice because you have a right to have sex with her.

If your libidos are mismatched, you don't solve it by following her around, making lewd jokes, and then switching off affection when you don't get what you want. You have a respectful conversation about how the relationship isn't actually working for either of you, and how to move forward in a way that respects your differences.

Have you ever told her that you accept and respect the fact that she doesn't want sex very often?

thestraitofillinois · 20/04/2022 15:34

Maybe she finds it painful but doesn't want to tell you. If it's painful it's highly likely to be linked to infection, but she may not know that, and think it's something about her physiology.

TheEnemy123 · 20/04/2022 15:49

Perhaps OP isn't going about addressing this in the best ways, but the fact he's here and asking for womens' perspectives and trying to figure this out at least shows willing. If his partner came on here saying "I keep trying to initiate sex but he's not interested" people would be asking if there was someone else, telling her to leave him because life's too short etc.

OP, if you don't want to give up then try the therapy route. Otherwise you may just have to accept that you're never going to feel completely fulfilled in this relationship. It's possible your partner is fulfilled by the companionship aspect more than the physical, whereas you clearly yearn the physical. But even therapy may not resolve this. Sometimes we simply are who we are, and people just aren't as compatible as they want to be.

Sleepytimebear · 20/04/2022 16:32

One of my exes used to pester me for sex for days or weeks then wouldn't for a day or two and we had a great time together just enjoying each others company but if I didn't have sex with him in a day or two he would say he tried my way and i still didn't want sex so it was back to pestering. in reality I would have been up for it but he didn't give me enough time before "giving up". Is it possible you are doing the same, thinking you've not pressured her for a day or two and although you think that should have yielded results she's just enjoying the short respite and isn't ready to have sex, just because you are. It sounds like this is all about you, not about her and what she wants so maybe you're not communicating as well as you think you are. But yes ultimately if this is a deal breaker for you, leave her. It's not fair to punish her because she's not living up to your expectations, but it's also not her responsibility to fix this problem for you

HowlongWillThisTakeNow · 20/04/2022 16:32

I was in a relationship a few years back with someone who decided that they didn’t much sex, she was perfectly happy with a very small amount of sex it but made me miserable and feeling unhappy and unwanted, so I left
in fact check out this thread, it’s pretty much the the reverse of your situation, and most responses are leave as it will never improve
www.mumsnet.com/talk/relationships/4532341-Just-propositioned-my-DP-for-sex-he-said-no

if you want more sex, you will probably have to leave a d find someone else more matched as it will never improve to the degree you probably desire

Gowithme · 20/04/2022 16:49

Mismatched libidos are a deal breaker for me. It always ends the same, one person frustrated and the other feeling pressured which then makes them want it even less.

It's very bizarre though to suggest you would be happy to make it all about your wife's pleasure. I can tell you what you can do if you're really all about your wife's pleasure - give her lots of affection but absolutely no suggestion of sex - have a wank instead and stop feeling like some terrible injustice is being done to you. Leave her completely alone sexually and wait for her to come to you. I don't mean two days or two weeks or whatever time you deem reasonable, I mean really be prepared to wait for her.

Punishing her by going cold is just passive aggressive nonsense, if you're going to start those games do her a favour and leave. She may be perimenopausal and may never be hugely interested in sex again, you have to ask yourself if you're prepared to respect that and stay with her - if not then do both of you a favour and leave.

Ionlydomassiveones · 20/04/2022 16:50

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me4real · 20/04/2022 16:50

I couldn't be with you OP. It's so unpleasant to have a bloke go on about sex when I'm not in the mood, or go in a strop if he doesn't get it when he wants it.

thestraitofillinois · 20/04/2022 16:54

The rejection of her when she was trying to make an effort: bad move OP.

Lochjeda · 20/04/2022 16:58

I don't think you will change her. It is likely always just going to be like this. If you literally didn't mention sex at all or initiate it for months and months because you had had enough rejection, she likely wouldn't either but she'd defo be on here suspecting you of cheating. Sometimes guys can't win on here or in real life when it comes to your sex life.

Has she always had this low a libido? If not, what age is she could it be menopause? Is she happy within herself and her appearance/body. Does she ever initiate it? Is she definitely getting pleasure and not just faking it to get it over with. This is some of the things I would consider and discuss. I hate having sex when the kids are in the house so we do it during the day, nights when they aren't in etc if she isn't even up for it then, it's clearly not the real issue.

LadyGardenersQuestionTime · 20/04/2022 17:02

I am currently seeing a sex therapist and it's been amazing, combined with adding testosterone to my HRT. I want more sex, DH is reassured and relaxed about sex, it's great.

But my DH was willing for our marriage to be sexless rather than live with the tension and rows caused by our mismatched libidos. I was the one who decided I didn't want us to live like that, and I decided to see a therapist (I wanted to untangle issues from my life before DB) and to push for testosterone.

From my perspective DH saying "ok, I get you don't want it much if at all and I hate what that's doing to our relationship, I would rather live with you and without sex than live like this" for me to relax, take a step back, have a think about what I wanted to do, and go for it.

Stop punishing your wife for feeling the way she does. Stop covertly pestering her for sex, there is nothing more revolting than a sex pest, however 'jokey' or 'subtle' it is. Reevaluate your marriage and your life - life changes, what do you really want?

I can recommend my therapist if you're interested.

Ohsugarhoneyicetea · 20/04/2022 17:09

Have you watched Ester Perel's Mating in Captivity TED talk? Quite helpful to explain what's going on I think, and give you both some ideas.

Jumpking · 20/04/2022 17:39

Agreement on sex is a big part of a strong relationship. I understand it's really hard that you and your wife aren't connecting, and that she doesn't want to work with you on finding a solution to the mismatch. I've had many talks with a male friend in a similar position. So I feel I've got quite a bit of understanding...I think the female/male sex drive are very different.

Unlike other posters, I think it's important you keep trying. This is a big deal for you. I think it's probably better though that you seek the help of a sex therapist rather than go down my friends route of finding a fwb for a fortnightly meet up.

Friend tried for years to allow his side of the story to be heard. He loves his wife and his marriage. Last time we met, his wife had tentatively agreed that he could have sex elsewhere, as she didn't want to much. They were in the process of working out what that looked like. He didn't want an affair and keep it from her, but he was feeling like there were few alternatives left for him besides divorce. She understands that he deeply loves her and never wants to leave her, but he's had 25 years of far too little sex for him and she refuses to get help with him to find a happy medium for them both.

They're working it out their way. I hope you find your way to work it out with your wife OP.

me4real · 20/04/2022 18:43

I think it's probably better though that you seek the help of a sex therapist

I know a PP said she had a good experience, but so often this sort of therapy is pushed by husbands/partners to try and get women to do things sexually they don't want to do, or more often than they want.

There's nothing wrong with OP's wife that she needs therapy for when it comes to sex, as far as we know. She just doesn't want sex as often as him (the pestering, 'jokes' and stropping are bound to contribute to that.)

Wingingit15 · 20/04/2022 18:49

HowlongWillThisTakeNow · 20/04/2022 16:32

I was in a relationship a few years back with someone who decided that they didn’t much sex, she was perfectly happy with a very small amount of sex it but made me miserable and feeling unhappy and unwanted, so I left
in fact check out this thread, it’s pretty much the the reverse of your situation, and most responses are leave as it will never improve
www.mumsnet.com/talk/relationships/4532341-Just-propositioned-my-DP-for-sex-he-said-no

if you want more sex, you will probably have to leave a d find someone else more matched as it will never improve to the degree you probably desire

Yes do read the post copied above, the responses are different because of gender I suspect

Aquamarine1029 · 20/04/2022 18:50

Neither one of you is aware the havoc peri-menopause can cause? Perhaps your wife hasn't wanted to talk about it, but it's typical for men to be completely ignorant, intentionally or not, about women's issues.

You banging on about sex all the time, combined with your stupid, guaranteed insensitive jokes, are not helping. Clearly not, yet you persist. Your wife is a person, not a sex doll with a power switch. I'd be willing to bet your wife feels like you're not really listening to her.

StopStartStop · 20/04/2022 18:52

Another man moaning about not getting enough from his wife, and wanting other women to talk about it.

Beamur · 20/04/2022 18:58

Whether you mean to or not, it sounds like you're putting a lot of pressure and expectations on your wife. Cut out the silly jokes, they're a total passion killer.
Peri menopause or just busy with kids, female libido can take a hammering. A sexually frustrated partner is not likely to ignite the flames either.
Back off, stop hoping/expecting for anything. Be kind, fun and attentive. Relationships are far more than intercourse. When you realise that and reconnect with your wife and value her for more than sexual gratification your relationship will almost certainly improve.

Wartywart · 20/04/2022 19:04

Yes the responses are different in that thread. Personally I think that as women get older, biology dictates that their libidos lessen simply because they are no longer young enough to see a child through to adulthood (or they weren't back in stone age times before we became so clever with medicine etc) so the biological imperative to have sex - to conceive a child - drops off. I know that there are always exceptions to the rule, but I'm talking generally here. It is not the same, biologically speaking, for men, therefore their libidos remain high for longer.

Modern day marriage/partnership is unsuited to our biology.

Wingingit15 · 20/04/2022 19:05

@Wartywart it’s actually shocking how this OP is treated so differently