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Misatched libido is causing issues.

115 replies

Enzso · 20/04/2022 14:25

First time poster. I wasn't going to post here but I think I need to hear mostly female perspectives so it's probably the best place.

Married with two teenage children. Childhood sweethearts (first together 33 years ago) but we both went and had other relationships before we eventually came back to one another and got married. Best friends. There's nobody in the world I'd rather spend time with. We communicate well, we're attracted to one another, there's complete trust between us.

Our issue is our mismatched libidos. Mine is very active, my wife's is on life support. When we have sex it's usually great. Loving, with a deep connection, we both get a lot of it. But she can go without it for weeks whereas I find that very difficult.

As a result, my advances are often rejected. It's very unpredictable when she'll be open to sex. We could go on a night out, or spend the day together, it doesn't necessarily lead to anything. We talk about it a lot. My wife acknowledges she has "blockages". Finds it very difficult to get aroused initially or to be in the moment. Her awareness of our kids in the house is an issue for her (although I doubt they can hear anything) but she's not often open to daytime sex either when they're both at school. For my part I talk or joke about sex too much, which she sometimes takes as pressure. I'm working on that. We would see a sex therapist but we don't know what they'd say. We talk about it. We tell each other what we want. We're both present in the marriage. Housework is 5050. We have good kids and no stresses in life.

Lately our work schedules have shifted so that we may only have 1, perhaps 2 nights a week together where we go to bed at the same time. While I'm always hopeful something might happen, I try not to project or mention it, as I know that doesn't help. More recently though on those nights we're together there's been a very minor disagreement early in the evening that's spoiled the mood between us. We're fine the next day but I've found the disagreements incredibly disappointing and frustrating. It's just one more thing to come between us at the moment.

When it last happened four nights ago, something in me switched. I was done with it all (not the marriage, just the constant unpredictability and rejection). When that's happened before I withdraw all affection. A bit like I'm punishing her, because she loves cuddles and I'm very touch feely with her. "See! How do you like it?" Usually in a day or two I get over it, we laugh, and the cycle begins again. This time however I'm four days in and have no desire to back down. My wall has gone up. She could tell the day after it happened I was upset, and she suggested we be spontaneous and go and get a hotel room that night. I said I didn't want to and meant it (normally that would be amazing but normally she would never suggest it). The constant rejection hurts over time and sometimes I just don't want to be understanding. Maybe the wall will come down in another day or two, maybe I really am done.

OP posts:
Fr0thandBubble · 21/04/2022 00:28

For those who gave really considered and respectful replies, thankyou

Your pressuring, passive aggressive, sulky, manipulative behaviour towards your poor wife doesn’t really deserve much respect though, does it, OP?

Catlover1970 · 21/04/2022 00:35

Fr0thandBubble · 21/04/2022 00:07

And as for saying sex is part of a loving marriage - I don’t think it has to be. What if someone is physically incapacitated and can’t have sex anymore? Does their marriage cease to be “loving”? There are a hell of a lot more important things in marriage than sex. There’s certainly nothing “loving” about forcing sex on a wife who doesn’t want it.

He can “try and resolve it” but frankly most of the time if a woman doesn’t want sex (especially if they are peri or post menopausal) there is nothing he can do to “resolve” it. Women who don’t want sex aren’t somehow defective or broken - they’re not machines that need “fixing”. Women exist outside men’s narrow ideas of them as objects for their sexual gratification, contrary to what a lot of men seem to believe.

OP’s wife has borne two children with him but now she no longer wants sex as much as him he’s getting angry and saying maybe he’s done with the marriage. I find that pretty gross actually.

Marriage shouldn’t be about one person dictating whether the marriage is sexless. I respect that yours Is but sex is important to many many people as part of a loving marriage.

JustBloodyListen · 21/04/2022 00:36

Constant rejection is soul destroying. My exh decided one day that there wasn’t any point in us having sex anymore, told me that he’d done it twice a week for years just to keep me happy. It utterly broke me. You need to speak to her and make it clear how it’s making you feel and listen to her when she explains how she feels. You can either accept things as they are, come to some kind of compromise together or leave. The constant nagging by you, her reflecting you and then you sulking is going to cause so much resentment that it will kill the relationship for both of you.

I’m sorry you’re going through this op and wish there was an easy fix.

me4real · 21/04/2022 00:39

Marriage shouldn’t be about one person dictating whether the marriage is sexless.

@Catlover1970 The alternative is someone is performing sex acts/having sex acts done to them when they don't really want it (coerced sex, because they feel they ought to or have to have it.)

This is very wrong.

me4real · 21/04/2022 00:41

@Catlover1970 The OP BTW doesn't have a sexless marriage. Just a less sex than he wants marriage.

Moser85 · 21/04/2022 00:49

thestraitofillinois · 20/04/2022 16:54

The rejection of her when she was trying to make an effort: bad move OP.

No. It was the right thing to do as he knew she was only doing it as she had noticed he was upset.

Littlebylittlelittle · 21/04/2022 02:59

OnlyClothes · 20/04/2022 14:59

A mismatch in libido can only lead to unhappiness. And there’s only so much unhappiness you can take, right?

Women who post here about a lack of affection or sex or physical touch or whatever get more sympathy and understanding than men do generally. It’s a women-centric website.

But all I can suggest is that you make sure you’re pulling your weight, see if she has any specific stress going on that you’re not aware of, any health issues going on? And have a talk, keep communication open, be honest etc.

I know there’ll be lots of talk about ‘men are only after one thing’, ‘you don’t love her, you just want sex’ but if I was in a relationship and after some time the other person decided (on my behalf, without my input) that I had to be celibate, or cut sex down by half, I would be desperately unhappy.

Well all I can say is thank goodness for this one woman centric website when the internet is predominately a male centric space set up to cater to mens sexual desires , filled with mysognybqbd degrading porn .
Let us have our one space eh

BadNomad · 21/04/2022 03:24

Wingingit15 · 20/04/2022 18:49

Yes do read the post copied above, the responses are different because of gender I suspect

Did either of you read that thread? It is not similar at all. The OP is 29yo. Not married. No children. Only been together 5 years. Barely any sex for 2 of those years and the partner refused to discuss it. Her being female has nothing to do with it.

Poppins2016 · 21/04/2022 03:35

Yes she absolutely has blockages - they're her words, not mine.

What does she say the 'blockages' are? Do you acknowledge/validate them and have you worked together to address them?

Wingingit15 · 21/04/2022 05:26

BadNomad · 21/04/2022 03:24

Did either of you read that thread? It is not similar at all. The OP is 29yo. Not married. No children. Only been together 5 years. Barely any sex for 2 of those years and the partner refused to discuss it. Her being female has nothing to do with it.

Yes, I did. If you did you will see I commented. I agree with OP here when they returned and characterised the responses as aggressive. He’s trying to improve his relationship FFS

Fr0thandBubble · 21/04/2022 08:34

@Wingingit15 I don’t think he’s trying to improve his relationship - he’s just trying to have more sex.

If he were trying to improve his relationship he wouldn’t be treating his wife the way he is.

Watchkeys · 21/04/2022 08:47

He’s trying to improve his relationship FFS

But he isn't. He's happy with the relationship as it is, and doesn't see any need for improvement. He just wants more sex. He doesn't seem to see that his wife might be less happy than him in the relationship, or respect that she simply wants less sex than him. Improving a relationship isn't about getting your own way more often, and going into a sulk if you don't. Who does that improve anything for?

youlightupmyday · 21/04/2022 08:54

Mismatched libido cause marriages to fail. That is a fact. Mine failed from that, though, as a woman my higher sex drive seems to make me an outlier. But then I think that is a partly social construct.

I feel for you OP. I left and though the first two years were hard we are now both happier in our subsequent relationships.

I may be wrong but I do wonder how many women on here giving the PP a hard time are defending the lack of desire on their part, within their own marriages and don't want to see how it can cause a real rift.

Dissimilitude · 21/04/2022 09:08

I may be wrong but I do wonder how many women on here giving the PP a hard time are defending the lack of desire on their part, within their own marriages and don't want to see how it can cause a real rift.

Bullseye.

TheVanguardSix · 21/04/2022 09:17

You have become an obligation... with tasteless jokes to boot. It's a race to the bottom from here, OP.

MissConductUS · 21/04/2022 09:24

There's a whole forum on reddit for this. You'll get a lot of different perspectives there. Good luck getting it sorted.

www.reddit.com/r/DeadBedrooms/

gannett · 21/04/2022 09:28

Wow, there's a distinct lack of posts along the lines of "she's having an affair" or "she might be gay". Funny that.

I don't really see how anyone's got "pestering" from the OP. Of course it's his side of the story but bawdy jokes are perfectly normal and don't constitute pestering. Neither does trying to initiate sex in a respectful way. I don't get the sense that OP is trying to handle it in any other way than respectful.

I can also see why his own body might shut down after a constant cycle of rejection. At least, I relate to that as a woman and I don't see why a man's reaction would be different. Maybe it comes across as sulky and game-playing, and it's not the most sensible thing to do, but when you don't know where you stand and you've constantly been rejected, it's just mentally tiring.

I would worry that OP's wife has lost her sex drive completely and isn't bothered about getting it back, and the cycle of rejection is just a means of fobbing off her husband so he doesn't leave. If she doesn't want to have sex she shouldn't, but she should be honest about whether this is a temporary state of affairs and she actually does want to get her libido back eventually - or whether she's perfectly happy without it indefinitely. It doesn't seem like the OP has that information.

However at least they're talking about it, which is a good start. Something I would try - and which has got DP and I out of accidental dry spells before - is agreeing in advance whether sex is on the table on a particular day. If I'm tired or stressed, knowing I'll have sex in a few days gives me time to build up to it and get myself gradually in the mood, and by the time the day comes I'll be looking forward to it. Similarly if you agree sex isn't going to happen on a particular day, even if it's been a date night, you can relax and cuddle and build up intimacy without worrying that it's going to lead somewhere you don't want. And it takes all the uncertainty away - and ultimately it's the uncertainty, does she or does she not want sex today, which is making your head spin.

I'd also be conscious that ultimately, this might not be resolvable. Mismatched libidos happen. If you first got together as teenagers then it's natural that your libidos might grow apart. There's no shame in this on either side. But it might mean you have to part ways.

TheVanguardSix · 21/04/2022 09:29

Dissimilitude · 21/04/2022 09:08

I may be wrong but I do wonder how many women on here giving the PP a hard time are defending the lack of desire on their part, within their own marriages and don't want to see how it can cause a real rift.

Bullseye.

I think more to the point, we (those of us who have gorilla glued our vaginas shut- if you were married to my ex, trust me, you'd bolt it shut) can absolutely see how it will cause a real rift, hence my words, it's a race to the bottom from here.
I think the OP and his wife are at a real impasse and I don't think there's much hope for their marriage, sad as it sounds.
Mismatched libidos is the devil's work. I lived that out in a marriage and it was devastating. I was shelved and it was brutal.
Now, I'm the one with no libido. I wouldn't dare start a relationship with a soul now because they deserve to expect sex in a relationship. It's something I can't give so I'd rather be alone. You've got to be honest with yourself about this stuff.

gannett · 21/04/2022 09:30

*I don’t think he’s trying to improve his relationship - he’s just trying to have more sex.

If he were trying to improve his relationship he wouldn’t be treating his wife the way he is.*

This is definitely not the kind of comment I saw on the other thread. Imagine a woman complaining about a sexless relationship and being told it was her fault for not being a good enough girlfriend or wife.

Fr0thandBubble · 21/04/2022 09:57

@gannett what I was talking about is the way OP is guilting his wife into making her have sex with him - I didn’t say anything about not being “a good enough” spouse.

I don’t think anyone - man or woman - should be pressured into having sex. I think that’s really wrong and I don’t know why anyone would want sex with someone who doesn’t want it. Having said that, I think it’s a hundred times worse when the one being pressured is the woman. Setting aside the issue of the risk of unwanted pregnancy, someone is actually invading her body. I don’t think a man can appreciate how harrowing that is when it’s unwanted.

HowlongWillThisTakeNow · 21/04/2022 10:08

BadNomad · 21/04/2022 03:24

Did either of you read that thread? It is not similar at all. The OP is 29yo. Not married. No children. Only been together 5 years. Barely any sex for 2 of those years and the partner refused to discuss it. Her being female has nothing to do with it.

Yes I did read both, and I didn’t see how age, martial status or number of children makes a difference TBH, both posters say they are in happy relationships, but would like more sex with their partners, what if the female poster said she was married 10 years with 1 child, how would that materially change her situation?

in both of these cases I think the people should split, but it certainly is noticeable how the younger female poster is supported, but for the older married man, not so much,

gannett · 21/04/2022 10:14

Fr0thandBubble · 21/04/2022 09:57

@gannett what I was talking about is the way OP is guilting his wife into making her have sex with him - I didn’t say anything about not being “a good enough” spouse.

I don’t think anyone - man or woman - should be pressured into having sex. I think that’s really wrong and I don’t know why anyone would want sex with someone who doesn’t want it. Having said that, I think it’s a hundred times worse when the one being pressured is the woman. Setting aside the issue of the risk of unwanted pregnancy, someone is actually invading her body. I don’t think a man can appreciate how harrowing that is when it’s unwanted.

But I don't see any guilting happening. His counter-rejection of her seems to be a purely emotional/physical response to being rejected so much, and I relate to that. It's definitely a sign that the relationship is at a crossroads.

I agree no one should be pressured into sex but if you're in a long-term relationship you're surely aware how a cycle of rejection without explanation or timeframe affects your partner. I don't believe that's too different for men and women - OP's post reads so much like women trapped in sexless marriages who post here. So while no one should have sex they don't want to have, you have a duty to have honest communication with your partner if you're taking it off the table IMO - not this limbo state of constant rejection.

In the other thread, it was the OP's partner's lack of communication that I felt was the real problem. But most of the posts were along the lines of "you deserve better!" and "bin him off!" and "he's having an affair!"

thestraitofillinois · 21/04/2022 10:21

I think it was wrong for the OP to turn away from his wife when she made the suggestion to book a hotel room. The very thing he says he wanted, when offered to him, he declined.
None of us can know her motivation for making that move. OP thinks she only made it because she knew he was upset. That may be the case, but there might be more to it than that. She might have noticed he was upset and wanted to make him feel better, wanted to mend the situation.
Assuming that she only made the suggestion to keep him sweet seems to me to be entirely wrong. When someone reaches out to try to mend a situation, and they are rejected, this is incredibly damaging.
Please find out if she feels rejected, if her self-esteem has been affected, OP. For a lot of women, their libido is intertwined with their body image as well.

me4real · 21/04/2022 10:22

bawdy jokes are perfectly normal and don't constitute pestering.

If someone isn't into sex with the joker at that time, it can make the person feel very uncomfortable.

I'm a Catholic convert and, at least for now, I'm not planning to get married. The reason for this is that they have a rule that you can't stop your husband from shagging you without 'good reason' whatever that means. And there's no way I want to have sex when I'm not in the mood. I've done that in various relationships and it's one of my least favourite things.

It maybe is rivalled only by a man's bad moods casting a cloud over the house, so I feeel I have to walk on eggshells. So I wouldn't want to live with one again.

BadNomad · 21/04/2022 10:43

HowlongWillThisTakeNow · 21/04/2022 10:08

Yes I did read both, and I didn’t see how age, martial status or number of children makes a difference TBH, both posters say they are in happy relationships, but would like more sex with their partners, what if the female poster said she was married 10 years with 1 child, how would that materially change her situation?

in both of these cases I think the people should split, but it certainly is noticeable how the younger female poster is supported, but for the older married man, not so much,

Because when you are older, have children, and have built a life together for 20 years it's a much bigger deal and a lot harder to walk away from than if you are young and childless. The consequences are not comparable at all.