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Can’t forgive H for the baby years.

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MountainSun · 04/04/2022 20:49

H abandoned me big time during the baby years. No other word for it. He’s a workaholic, I’d moved to another country to be with him so I was completely alone. No friends or family, just my overbearing and bullying in-laws.
I had 3 under 3 (one set twins). It was awful. I barely slept for 5 years, I never had a moment alone, I was bullied by his family, I was basically completely on the edge, then found out he’d been having an affair and I ended up having a nervous breakdown.
At this point, he seemed to realise things were not ok. I had told him repeatedly before this point.
He hired a nanny, confronted his family and ended up cutting ties with all but one of them, and promised to be around more. He said it was an emotional affair only - I don’t believe this, they had texted saying they loved each other and he’d been on multiple work trips with her in the same hotel. I’m not thick. I suppose there’s a chance he’s telling the truth….but not a big one.

This was all 4 years ago. Things are better now - he’s tried very hard to make things right, fully accepted blame for what he put me through, and is kind and attentive.

But I just can’t forgive him. It was all bad but the affair was the proverbial straw. And the whole thing just broke me. I used to be the happiest, most cheerful and positive person you’d meet. Now I’m bitter, miserable, full of resentment and constantly tired.

Had a massive row today because he was complaining about me buying a new bike for one of the kids. I’d bought myself one last month so I can go cycling with them, and at the time he said how nice an idea it was. But since then it’s been constant comments about the cost of the bike. And I just think to myself, after all the fucking shit I went through, and you’re earning £100k a year with no mortgage mainly due to having a fucking drudge at home raising your kids and running all your life admin whilst you gaily built your stupid business up (which I’ve also helped lots with), if I want a nice bike then I’ll fucking have a nice bike.

Instead, I’ve taken a loan out today to pay him back for the bike because I can do without being reminded of the cost of the bike several times a week. He’s predictably said ‘oh no I don’t want your money keep it’ but he’ll bloody have it and much good I hope it does him.

I know I could leave him but we have a nice house here and the kids are happy. He works away most weeks so I muddle along ok. If I leave then we’d be in a much worse house and away from the kids school and friends. It’s never that easy in real life.

But there. Most likely no one will read this but I don’t half feel better for getting it off my chest.

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IAMGE · 04/04/2022 20:51

You deserve more. A nice house is not worth it. Get a divorce. You deserve someone special who really loves and appreciates you.

MountainSun · 04/04/2022 20:56

Thing is, 99% of the time nowadays he is lovely. Seems to genuinely love and care for me etc. Appreciates me. Blah blah.

I don’t want anyone better though. If we ever broke up I would stay single forever, fuck washing anyone else’s pants I would be more than happy alone forever.

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MountainSun · 04/04/2022 20:58

Also - and this is silly I know.
When we married, I meant it for life. His family always said I was an scheming gold digger who would wait until the business took off then divorce him. It would look like they were right.

And divorcing him won’t mean he’s out of my life. He’s still the kids father. He’d get some awful new partner and the kids would probably want to live with them. I’ve not exactly been much fun.

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Snowdaysandhappydays · 04/04/2022 20:59

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BonjourCrisette · 04/04/2022 21:00

Just leave him. He sounds horrible. Why would you put up with someone who had an affair and begrudges you a bike?

Greensleeves · 04/04/2022 21:02

I would struggle to forgive him too, and it would probably kill any love and respect I'd had for him. He certainly hasn't shown you any. You say he's lovely and attentive now - but when the chips were down and you really needed him to step up, he was nowhere to be seen. I wouldn't get over that.

I think you should either bite the bullet and split up, or get a really good couples therapist and give it one serious go. You'd have to be brutally frank about everything he put you through, and he'd have to listen and face up to it. Maybe then there's a chance of you being able to look at him without resentment - but I don't think I could.

MountainSun · 04/04/2022 21:04

The question is whether the nice home and comfortable lifestyle outweighs your unhappiness?

That’s the thing, isn’t it Sad

Why would you put up with someone who had an affair and begrudges you a bike?

Low self worth probably. Dunno.
It was an expensive bike. I could have got one from Halfords but it was £1100. We can more than easily afford it though. And it’s something I really enjoy and I just wanted a really good bit of kit that would make it a pleasure and that the kids wouldn’t be embarrassed to be seen with me on.

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worriedaboutmoney2022 · 04/04/2022 21:04

I'm so sorry to read this @MountainSun
Nobody should have tolerated this - I'd have left a long time ago I can't understand why your still there he's cheated and treats you terribly you deserve better

florianfortescue · 04/04/2022 21:06

He's a prick and you deserve the bloody bike, and more.

If you are determined to make it work, would you consider marriage counselling?

masha17 · 04/04/2022 21:06

Sorry you've been through such a tough ordeal.
Can you try to make your life more your own? Perhaps get a job for your own money & independence. Join some social clubs etc
Sometimes I think we can be trapped in a marriage but leaving won't necessarily bring happiness so stay married but put yourself first & find a way to live the life you want.
You don't need to forgive him for what he's done.

MaryCeleste89 · 04/04/2022 21:07

Get used to being a bit more selfish. Book in some spa treatments. Go out with friends. It sounds like he's been a bit of an arse but he does 'get it' really. You need some time for you.

You have my utter sympathy about struggling to heal. My in laws put me through hell and back and I'll still find myself feeling resentful about something from years back. It's because I felt silenced at the time at that feeling stays with you. It's an awful feeling of being taken advantage.

MountainSun · 04/04/2022 21:07

You'd have to be brutally frank about everything he put you through, and he'd have to listen and face up to it.

We did this, and he completely faced up to it. Asked me what it would take for me to stay. I gave him a list, including the nanny and more input from him. He has largely kept to this and has made a genuine genuine effort. That’s the only reason I stayed with him. He literally put 100% into trying to make me happy.

This is what makes me feel like I should be able to forgive him. But then one sarky comment like today and I just feel like exploding.

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AliceW89 · 04/04/2022 21:07

Sorry you’ve been through all of this OP. His behaviour has been diabolical. I agree with PP. I think you need to either divorce, or lay out exactly how you feel to your DH and commit to a bloody brilliant couples therapist. Living in limbo of still being his wife but holding so much anger and resentment will break you and your DC.

RandomMess · 04/04/2022 21:08

Time for you to have your own very generous fund pot that you spend without him commenting on.

Also is he paying into a pension for you?

Have you thrashed out his behaviour with him with a therapist when he has to actually hear the pain and damage he inflicted on you?

Notwithittoday · 04/04/2022 21:08

Here op Flowers. Some women just have a dreadful time and no it isn’t as easy as just leaving him. I would definitely be considering it though and working out what your income might be if you chose freedom from him. I’m sorry you’re in this position.

PutinIsAWarCriminal · 04/04/2022 21:09

Don't pay him back!! The least he owes you is a bloody bike.
You won't or aren't ready to leave and we have to respect that, but feel free to vent away.
Can you do something just for you to give you your own independence? A career or a qualification?

aloris · 04/04/2022 21:10

Similar here except no affair. If he's criticising you over the bike then things aren't really different, despite his apologies for the past. You are still a mere wife appliance who doesn't get the dignity of being a real person with equal rights to the fruits of your marriage. Is he truly sorry for how things went before, does he really want the marriage to work? or is he just keeping you on-side until he finds another woman who he values more than he values you?

The least you have to do is set some ground rules for how you'll be treated. Full access to the finances is imperative. That means he doesn't act as Lord and Master who gets veto power over whether or not you buy a bike.

Is he the type to quietly move money out of your sight or access?

MountainSun · 04/04/2022 21:10

I’ve made my own life now. Went back to uni and I’m studying adult nursing which he supports. I don’t have many friends but I don’t seem to be very good at making them
any more. I have a few but not good friends. I distance myself really.

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JoyLurking9to5 · 04/04/2022 21:10

I dont blame you for getting mad that he had an affair and begrudges you a bike.

HellToTheNope · 04/04/2022 21:12

The resentment you feel for your husband is going to eat away at you like a cancer. You will not be able to overcome this. You are already a stranger to yourself, and your children absolutely feel how unhappy you are. Don't condemn them to be in a relationship like yours because that is what will happen. This dysfunction will their normal.

You deserve so much better than this.

Underfrighter · 04/04/2022 21:12

If you really want to try and stay and he wants to work on things as well, could you both try counselling

AliceW89 · 04/04/2022 21:15

This is what makes me feel like I should be able to forgive him. But then one sarky comment like today and I just feel like exploding

I think it sounds like you fundamentally haven’t forgiven him though (which doesn’t sound unreasonable), despite his effort. It’s completely reasonable to be annoyed when your OH does something seemingly quite petty in your eyes (like complain over the cost of a bike that you can easily afford). But if every disagreement is going to lead to rage about historic events to which they are not connected, I think you need to accept you are at a crossroads. You need to either commit to fully forgiving him and moving on, or leave. You shouldn’t have been put in this situation and I’m sorry that you have to make such a decision Flowers

Greensleeves · 04/04/2022 21:15

@MountainSun

You'd have to be brutally frank about everything he put you through, and he'd have to listen and face up to it.

We did this, and he completely faced up to it. Asked me what it would take for me to stay. I gave him a list, including the nanny and more input from him. He has largely kept to this and has made a genuine genuine effort. That’s the only reason I stayed with him. He literally put 100% into trying to make me happy.

This is what makes me feel like I should be able to forgive him. But then one sarky comment like today and I just feel like exploding.

I think if you've already done that, and you still can't forgive him (which is a normal reaction to what he's done to you) then you should leave him.

Don't fall into the trap of thinking that this is transactional - that you have to stay with him, because he said sorry and did the therapy and has tried so hard blah blah. If it hasn't worked, because the original shitty behaviour was just too shitty, then that's reason enough to split. You don't owe him the rest of your life and happiness just because he's tried to make amends.

theleafandnotthetree · 04/04/2022 21:16

You will hear a chorus of 'leave him' and who knows, maybe you should and you will but it would be a perfectly credible decision to stay either. Your fears as to what might happen are not unfounded. I left my exhusband who was and remains much better off than me and able to give my children a really good standard of living compared to me. And if he is also otherwise a good and loving father and successful person, well then the OP may well end up doing 50/50 and just as unhappy post seperation , albeit in a different way. At the very least I would do a LOT of thinking about how you can build yourself up, make your life within the current situation better, maybe do some counselling, some training, spend money on yourself without guilt, build friendships and your own life, throw money at the problem in terms of childcare etc. Use the good bits of your situation to maximise your capacity to move forward, with or without your husband. You don't need to do anything today or tomorrow.

JoyLurking9to5 · 04/04/2022 21:17

Ps, i wasnt good at making friends either when all my energy was used up pretending my homelife was ok. I guess that lack of authenticity put disconnection between me and the people i was trying to chat to.

When i was living more authentically (after i left him) i found i could connect with people more easily.

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