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Pregnant and broken relationship with ILs, have I been unreasonable?

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TashieWoo · 29/03/2022 00:11

This could be long so apologies in advance!

I’m 35 weeks pregnant with mine and DP’s first child and in the last few weeks have begun to feel even more protective of my baby, and thinking about how I am going to ensure she’s kept safe when she is born - ensuring nobody kisses her, kept away from smoking etc. All sensible things.

I’ve also been concerned about my ILs (particularly MIL) and setting boundaries. MIL made it clear she wanted a boy as she has 4 granddaughters already (only 2 biological) and was disappointed when she found out we were having a little girl but I just ignored that, and have ignored the subsequent anecdotal evidence of scans being wrong. She has also said that she wants to know as soon as I’m going into labour so she can come down, and has gone on about wanting to bond with the baby and see her within a few days. I just feel suffocated. She has criticised things I’ve bought for the baby (sensory stuff she doesn’t understand, and the monitor because it was too expensive), whilst buying her things that are totally inappropriate.

Anyway, this is all trivial compared to what happened a couple of weeks ago. ILs booked to take DP and I away for the weekend for DP’s 40th birthday, all very nice. However in the days leading up to the weekend they were looking after their 11yo granddaughter while her parents were away for a few days, and in that time she tested positive for covid. They didn’t isolate from her even though her mum told them to (not easy I know), and then came to us without testing. I didn’t ask them to test but did a test myself in private before we went, I’m kicking myself for not asking them to test and I know that was wrong, but they were in our house then (they lied and said that they only found out their granddaughter had covid when they were on their way to our house) and I wanted to make an effort, knowing that my dislike for them was probably a bit irrational.

Anyway we all started feeling unwell and tested positive on the Sunday, them in the morning and DP & I in the evening. They are vaccinated but they are also covid deniers now and fed up with the rules so they didn’t isolate and still went out for a pub lunch afterwards whilst DP and I isolated from them. I was so cross, I didn’t need covid at 34 weeks pregnant, was worried about the baby and just so angry at their ignorance and lack of consideration. The following day when we were due to go home I just didn’t speak to MIL and when she said she didn’t think and started crying, I just told her I didn’t want to hear it. I’ve been thinking about keeping my baby safe for 7 months and she was just careless. I was pretty unwell for 10 days, luckily baby seems unaffected. My mum also caught it from them as we went out for dinner the night they came to us, she was pretty unwell too.

Since then I’ve not spoken to ILs and made it clear to DP I need time and that I am not happy with them. I have enough on my plate without worrying about what they think, I’m just sad for DP that he’s having to manage both relationships, which he’s accepted. Essentially I don’t want them with my baby unless they’re supervised and I don’t want them coming as soon as she’s born. I can’t trust them, and I don’t want her to get needlessly hurt and for MIL to say “I didn’t think” and expect me to be fine with it. I know accidents happen but she is careless and to put it bluntly, pretty thick.

But have I taken this too far and should I back down a bit, to help DP? I would happily never see them again, they don’t add anything positive to my life, but then I think it is cruel to not let them see the baby. My parents are going to be pretty involved and I don’t want DP to resent that either, even though he has a good relationship with them. I just need some advice with navigating this.

Thanks in advance x

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girlmom21 · 29/03/2022 15:23

@Qwill

It does sound a bit stressful. Why won’t you let anyone kiss the baby though? Surely you and your husband are allowed? It will be very hard and a bit mean not to let other family kiss the baby also.
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girlmom21 · 29/03/2022 15:23

Would you trust your FIL with baby? Is it MIL that's the problem?

EveryCloudIsGrey · 29/03/2022 15:28

[quote TashieWoo]@EveryCloudIsGrey it was about 1.5 hours after they arrived[/quote]
🤷🏻‍♀️Ok so it was you and your Mums choice for your Mum to attend the evening meal with your in-laws . I presume you told your Mum that they had been in contact with someone positive?

ChoiceMummy · 29/03/2022 16:30

@TashieWoo

The reason I wouldn’t trust her with my baby is that she lies, she’s generally not very intelligent (I mean basic thought and capabilities here), she criticises me now so I don’t think she would respect my wishes (which would all be sensible and reasonable), and she isn’t very physically fit or active. She doesn’t do anything as her DH does pretty much everything for her, not because she can’t but because that’s how they are as a family.

I just don’t want my child to get hurt as a result of her carelessness. I know accidents happen but I don’t want to hear “I didn’t think” again, and be expected to reassure her.

This just reiterates my earlier comment. You sound ott and willing to use any excuse to justify this.

You do need to get a grip. You have chosen to have children with this man and his family are apart of the package.

Your comments are dubious at best. You basically don't like her. Think you are above her.

Remember this, one day, very soon, you may need her. Burn those bridges at your own detriment. Likewise, remember if you ever split in the future, this child will have unfettered contact with this family. If you wish to have anything of a normal relationship get yourself in order and pdq!

aSofaNearYou · 29/03/2022 16:54

@Qwill

It does sound a bit stressful. Why won’t you let anyone kiss the baby though? Surely you and your husband are allowed? It will be very hard and a bit mean not to let other family kiss the baby also.
There is quite a well known medical reason for this.
Opentooffers · 29/03/2022 17:41

To knowingly expose any pregnant person in their last trimester is indeed highly selfish - not only them, but all the people in the restaurant. Its good you got through it - I take it you had the vacs as pregnant women are advised to. We had quite a few seriously ill pregnant ladies at our hospital who needed early sections, but they were unvaccinated at the time due to initial bad advice not to have it. Having looked after too many people dying of covid the last couple of years, I guess you could say that I have strong views about people who spread it all over without a care for others, just so that their immediate good time isn't restricted.

TashieWoo · 29/03/2022 17:52

@girlmom21 yes I suppose I would trust FIL, but they come as a package and don’t tend to do anything separately, not where family is concerned anyway. And we live quite far away from them.

FIL is generally a bit more useful and helpful, a bit more interested in learning about things, but like DP and his brothers, always concerned with keeping MIL happy.

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TashieWoo · 29/03/2022 17:53

Thanks @Opentooffers - yes I’m fully vaccinated, we all are. I agree, all their behaviour was selfish.

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Quitelikeit · 29/03/2022 21:15

Your attitude towards your in-laws is quite condescending.

You are making things v v hard for your husband and you seem to forget they are his parents who he loves.

You say they are all trying to please MiL - seems like they’re all trying to please you aswell.

Don’t take your husband for granted - don’t underestimate the stress this will put on your relationship with your husband

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TashieWoo · 29/03/2022 22:41

@Quitelikeit I’m not a condescending person, quite the opposite, but I think my attitude has become condescending because they keep doing and saying stupid and inconsiderate things. I always try to see the best in people and I have defended them before, but they don’t deserve it now.

I know this is very tough on DP and we have spoken about it. I feel awful for him. He knows I need time and space from them at the moment though; I’m about to have a baby and I’m getting everything ready for her, whilst working full time in a demanding job and juggling other things.

I will be civil with them and speak to them again, but it will be for DP and future DD’s sakes only.

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girlmom21 · 30/03/2022 06:32

Oh if you live far away from them you don't need to make a big song and dance about them not being alone with baby anyway then so that's fine.

I asked about FIL because if he's the sensible one he'll probably be the best placed to talk some sense in to her if your DP talks to him. Him telling her she's overstepping may be a better option than you having to tell her.

Loopytiles · 30/03/2022 06:41

YANBU to want some boundaries. Would discuss with your DP.

If they really didn’t divulge that they’d been in close contact with their grandaughter with covid until after their arrival at your house, that’s bad, but you had the option to ask them to leave. You chose not to do so and therefore chose to take the risk. Sulking etc was aggressive behaviour.

Butterfly44 · 30/03/2022 07:01

They seem like active grandparents, whether you like them or not, depriving your child of that isn't right.

Catshaveiteasy · 30/03/2022 07:21

Sorry to say but you sound rather 'precious' over all this. I do understand why and that your first baby is a massive thing for you, but the way you have dealt with your in laws so far is passive aggressive and that is never a good way to solve a problem.

You need to be assertive but polite and reasonable about your boundaries (or your DH does on your behalf). Don't accept their visits with resentment- take charge and explain what suits you clearly and without emotion. You are currently acknowledging their 'needs' but only reluctantly - that attitude will just spill out and make things worse.

Leave what has already happened in the past- covid has been difficult for all of us, but despite working with many people who have had it, I for one (and everyone in my immediate family) are yet to contract it, so assuming lines of transmission is pointless, plus you are beyond that now.

Ignore the criticisms and unwanted gifts- you can't expect anyone else to see things exactly as you do or to care in quite the same way about your baby's safety because a lot of anxiety is colouring your view of things, and other people will see that in fact the world around your baby is not as dangerous as you suppose.

I hope the birth goes well and you can resolve these issues amicably.

Cactuslove · 30/03/2022 07:56

They were thoughtless... but you went ahead knowing the risks. You could have asked them to leave and didn't have to go out for a meal with them and your mum.

The last few weeks of pregnancy are rubbish and stressful. I get the overwhelming need to protect the baby.

But I can't get past the fact that as soon as you knew ypu took the risk anyway so I really can't see how IL were to blame at that point.

Seems you generally don't like them. I wasn't keen on mine either. But encouraged contact between them and kids.

MoggyP · 30/03/2022 08:02

I will be civil with them and speak to them again, but it will be for DP and future DD’s sakes only.

Good, fake it until you make it. You won't always be in a hormone-deprived heightened state, and this approach means you'll get through without causing offence.

Trust me, one day you'll look back at this and cringe at how OTT you got. But if you haven't hurt anyone's feeling in the process, it'll be affectionate self-teasing.

TashieWoo · 30/03/2022 08:02

It would have caused a massive row if I’d asked them to leave when they’d arrived and I wasn’t assertive enough to do that (for reasons I’ve already explained), I’ve learnt from it now. But they put me in that position and quite frankly took advantage of me.

I didn’t sulk at all, I only showed how I felt when I tested positive.

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Crazycrazylady · 30/03/2022 08:03

Honestly op
You're forgetting that your baby is going to be just as much your husbands as yours. Yes they were thoughtless but if my dh tried to ban my parents from seeing our baby I'd tell him where to go .

TashieWoo · 30/03/2022 08:12

@MoggyP I won’t be cringing… I have enough people IRL and on here supporting how I am feeling. And they don’t have pregnancy hormones thrown into the mix.

They have hurt my feelings in the past (even before I was pregnant so nothing to do with the baby) and I’ve kept it to myself. I really couldn’t care less if I caused them offence as they are pretty blunt and vulgar themselves.

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TashieWoo · 30/03/2022 08:17

@Crazycrazylady I have never said I’m banning PILs from seeing the baby. They will just not have her unsupervised and have some boundaries in place, like no kissing etc to sensibly protect her.

That is DP’s relationship to manage.

Ultimately I think I need to be left alone to finish pregnancy, have the baby and settle down with her then think again, with no pressure from them. But talk to DP in the meantime. That should give them enough time to think as well.

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beachcitygirl · 30/03/2022 08:33

Op yanbu
I would be furious. You are right to be mindful & put boundaries in place.

I wouldn't allow them to come to the hospital and I wouldn't let them hold baby first month or so.
Short outdoor visits only.
They can't be trusted.

Severntrent · 30/03/2022 08:46

I don't think it's normal to ban kissing and think that's a bit unreasonable. Wash hands before cuddling but that's all and i wasnt super bothered about that.
I think you are going a bit over the top.

TashieWoo · 30/03/2022 09:07

www.nhs.uk/conditions/neonatal-herpes/

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/mum-warns-parents-not-kiss-24932814.amp

Pretty compelling reasons to not let anyone kiss the baby.

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TashieWoo · 30/03/2022 09:09

www.pedseast.com/blog/posts/the-dangers-of-kissing-babies

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