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My husband loves someone else as well as me

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Sazdun · 26/03/2022 01:27

Bit of a long winded one but all my close friends are also friends of his or wives of his friends so have no one to turn to.
My husband and I have been married for 8 years and together for 15. We have two girls (5 years and 10 months) and life is pretty much perfect. Yet despite all this I have found out he is in love with someone else. I know he loves me too but having seen how he behaved last weekend I am now all over the place and feel shattered.
Back in 2013 a new girl joined his work and from the get go it was clear there was a mutal attraction there (I don't think anything aside from some slight flirting has ever occured) but she also moved very near to us and as a result my husband (fiance at the time) and her would share lifts, walk to work together etc and grew close. Since they both met she has also been with her partner too. This is why I don't believe anything has ever occurred between them.
Over the years my husband and her have been on work trips together, hung out together and we as a couple have socialised with her.
To be honest, current issue aside, I see what my husband likes about her, she is pretty and very kind. Over the years she has made a real effort to include me, give gifts to our kids, help us out but if I am honest deep down it has always left a bit of a nagging feeling that this is all just an attempt to seem great to my husband. I know this makes me sound paranoid but otherwise she would just be too bloody perfect.
In return my husband seems to make an effort in his friendship with her even though he is not an overtly sociable guy. They message each other fairly regularly despite working together and while the message are all above board (I've checked), he doesn't behave like this with any other women.
After a night out when people mistook her for his wife and his friends were teasing me about 'the other woman', we had an argument about her and candidly spoke to him about her. He said he doesn't know what it is about her but he likes her and cares for her and is someone he would like in his life. While that made me slightly uncomfortable and I don't really know what to make of that, at the same time I want my husband to have friends who he cares about who are a range of different people. It has meant Over the past three years I have stepped up to be a friend to her too, I thought that might guarantee there is less chance she might overstep the mark and do anything. As I have got to know her I can see she cares deeply for my husband but that she also values the friendship I have with her too. I also think she is quite lonely and insecure. Personally I think she can do better than the guy she is with and I can see why someone like my husband is the type of person in an ideal world she would be with however in this world he is my husband.
Anyway last weekend we were at her wedding and my husband's reaction to her freaked me out and brought everything that has been under the surface for the past 8 years to a head. As she walked down the aisle he couldn't take his eyes of her. He even said to me she looked stunning (he isn't the type of guy to normally talk about people like that) and at a point in the ceremony he looked about ready to cry (he didn't even look at me like that at our own wedding). Later at the reception when my husband and her danced together they looked perfect together and so happy to be dancing together. I honestly felt like I had been punched in the gut. We left not long after as I said I didn't feel well. When we got home the next day I spoke to him about how I felt and asked him if he loved her. He said that he ofcourse loved me but there was a part of him that did love her but he didn't know in what way and he has felt like that for years but would never do anything to hurt me and our girls. When I asked him if he wanted to be with her, he said there was no point discussing that, however now I can't get it out my head. He has known her since before we got married, he could have broken it off with me and got with her if he wanted and I feel she would have been happy to go with him but now I feel like she will always be the perfect one who got away to him and I will never be able to view their relationship as an innocent friendship.
I don't know what to do. She has invited us round for dinner next weekend but I can't even face seeing her and I now feel like my husband doesn't truly love me or that our life is the one he truly wants and I feel heartbroken.
Any advice on what to do would be great.

OP posts:
NotNotNotMyName · 26/03/2022 07:06

You say this woman is a really nice person but tbh she doesn’t sound very nice. She knows your husband is happily married with children yet continues to pursue this “friendship” with your DH. No matter how rosy she paints things, the woman is massively overstepping the line as is your DH. Their friendship doesn’t sound appropriate at all.

dottiedodah · 26/03/2022 07:06

I think he is being unfair to you.atm he has a cool friend and his family as well! You are expected to put up with this .what does her husband think I wonder. I would speak to dh and look at maybe a change of job for him and a house move .need some distance! This is not normal and it is upsetting you .

Margaretmatcher · 26/03/2022 07:11

I would tell him to leave immediately. Being second best to her will destroy you. You deserve to be number one in your partners heart, not one of a number. Please put yourself first i really wish you well Flowers

PollyPutTheKettleOnKettleOn · 26/03/2022 07:12

@MsDogLady

More thoughts, Sazdun.

In the face of H’s appalling behavior and revelations, surely you won’t demean and traumatize yourself by attending OW’s dinner and watching them adore each other. For both of you, all socializing with her must stop immediately. He cannot be ‘friends’ with the woman he’s in love with.

I would actually send H away for a while so you can consider your options. He needs to understand that he has severely damaged his marriage and family, and for you to even consider continuing with him, he has to end his relationship with OW. And he must change jobs. Don’t accept anything less. Be prepared to walk away if he balks.

Well said.

I also agree with Ms dogs comments:
*From the beginning, he was well aware that his feelings were not platonic, yet he did nothing to safeguard his fidelity. He gave himself permission to develop inappropriate emotional intimacy with OW, and it has deepened through the years. He had the option to strengthen his boundaries and cut off this affair long ago, but chose instead to keep investing, thereby corroding and damaging your marriage.

He humiliated you by allowing you to become friends with his emotional affair partner and by displaying their ‘couple-ness’ in public. His work colleagues will be well aware of their inappropriate connection.

Personally, I would not be able to come back from this. However, if you are going to stay and not become diminished beyond recognition, you must set recovery requirements. H will have to own his disloyalty and do all in his power to restore your trust. He will have to cut contact with OW, except for necessary work interactions. He would need to be willing to dig deep in individual counseling to examine his character flaws that enabled his emotional infidelity.*

And pallisers post.

I think he would leave for her given the opportunity. If your marriage is to have any hope, he must break off all contact with her - and yes, they should no longer work together.

He's committed a gross portrayal in allowing his feelings to develop like this and also in telling you what he did - what does he think you're supposed to do with that?!

Personally, I would push to know exactly what he meant when he said "let's not discuss it" when you asked if he would leave. I would want to know if he'd been open with her about his feelings, because if so then I don't think she's so innocent.

Even if she rejected his feelings and feels only friendship for him, which she may well do, if she has any inkling of his feelings for her then she should have backed off and reduced the friendship.

Have their colleagues ever made any other comments to you about their friendship? Because if so, I would be seriously considering whether those were hints something was going on.

Oh, and what the hell was he doing dancing with her at her wedding?

Personally, op, whatever the reality of their friendship is - whether is been a mutual affair (emotional or otherwise) or not - you deserve better than a man who doesn't adore you or respect you.

Flowers
PollyPutTheKettleOnKettleOn · 26/03/2022 07:13

*betrayal

Dazedandconfused28 · 26/03/2022 07:14

Also - she isn't a nice person. She's trying to ingratiate herself to you to get close to him & be able to carry on this ridiculous relationship in plain sight, & give it legitimacy. She is painting you as the paranoid 'crazy' wife.

This is not an appropriate relationship to carry on with a married man & I suspect she's a duplicitous schemer who knows exactly what she's doing.

IncompleteSenten · 26/03/2022 07:15

"no point discussing that" means yes

CoraggioCara · 26/03/2022 07:30

OP I'm so sorry.

He's being a cowardly shit and you deserve better. So much better.

You deserve exclusivity and respect. And he's giving you neither. It reads like an emotional affair that they have both been enjoying for years at your expense.

CoraggioCara · 26/03/2022 07:32

Just realised you asked for advice. For what it's worth, mine is tell him you deserve better and ask him to leave.

TheBurmundseyIndustrialEstate · 26/03/2022 07:34

Well she married somebody else there is a finality in that and she has chosen.
I would insist he moves jobs and stops mooning around after her.
He should move out for a bit too and make sure he knows that he could lose you over this behaviour.
He has crossed boundaries into an emotional affair and can’t expect you to just go along with it.

JangolinaPitt · 26/03/2022 07:36

My STBXH did this and I regret not being assertive about it. We are divorcing 6 years later than we should have. It has been humiliating and painful and my self-esteem was totally battered. So sorry for your situation. Please be assertive -he should change jobs. If he resists or equivocates then you have your answer.

HeadNorth · 26/03/2022 07:43

I am so sorry OP. Your DH has to understand he has lobbed a hand grenade into your marriage and he cannot carry on as if nothing has happened - ie enjoying all the benefits of marriage and family while mooning after this idealised perfect woman.

Please do not let him carry on as normal. I think he needs to move out to give you space to think and so he can hopefully realise what his infatuation is putting at stake. Be strong and value yourself and your children, do not allow him to treat you like runners up.

aSofaNearYou · 26/03/2022 07:43

Wow, your husband has been seriously taking the piss out of you by pushing this level of involvement with her all this time. I think this would be the end for me, I'm not sharing my husband's affection, but if I was going to stay he would not to cut off all contact and change jobs, and I'd expect to indulge no sadness about it either.

I imagine that's unlikely but it's the only thing that could compel me stay with him. Whether or not he's cheated on you he's treated you very poorly by indulging these feelings all these years, and he seems so calm and calculated about it, like it's nothing.

LadyCordeliaFitzgerald · 26/03/2022 07:46

I’m so sorry this has happened. You deserve so much better.

I couldn’t stay in this situation - it would destroy me, as simple as that.

There are moments in every marriage where you have to choose to turn away from distraction and turn towards your spouse instead. He didn’t.

feelingfree17 · 26/03/2022 07:47

I am so sorry you are going through this. You sound lovely and deserve so much more. Tell him you won’t be going for dinner, and he needs to move out ASAP whilst you consider your future.

LadyCordeliaFitzgerald · 26/03/2022 07:49

It wouldn’t be enough for me if I gave him an ultimatum and he complied.

I might possibly take him back, if he took those steps himself to try and win me back. Maybe.

But I couldn’t live with him nursing a broken heart and casting me as the villain in his personal romance. Ugh,

Malibuismysecrethome · 26/03/2022 07:51

Sorry Op but I think this is one of the most heart wrenching positions to be in and it’s like they are playing with you. They know you are aware and it’s a double bluff. All I could advise is for you to imagine how you would feel about this in 5 or 10 years time. Does you husband normally dance at weddings and especially with the bride? They have both hurt you by trying to carry on I think you
are setting yourself up for pain in the future. Best confront it now.

ImJustMadAboutSaffron · 26/03/2022 07:53

Over the years she has made a real effort to include me,

What is she, Lady bloody Bountiful? Include you in what? How patronising. Tell him to get out and sort his immature mind out.

comingintomyown · 26/03/2022 07:55

He doesn’t know how to describe how he loves her ?
He doesn’t see the point in talking about if he wants to be with her ?
This is just horrendous and you having been the frog in boiling water for 8 years can’t see the extent of it which is understandable. My advice would be to tell him your marriage is over and that he leaves immediately. Then privately consider what happens next based on what he does himself, not what you ask him to do. Perhaps if he leaves the job and disconnects from her in six months you could reconsider the marriage.
Remember there can be a long journey from someone packing their bags and living elsewhere and it doesn’t mean it has to end in divorce.

Bagelsandbrie · 26/03/2022 07:56

I couldn’t put up with this. You’re always going to be playing second fiddle. She will be waiting in the wings to swoop in if things ever go tits up for you or her and they’re both single at the same time.

ImJustMadAboutSaffron · 26/03/2022 07:57

@Fraaahnces

How utterly heartbreaking. My best friend went through similar. Her DH decided to “focus on his marriage” when she gave him the ultimatum to choose who he wanted most, and then spent years angry with her because he “missed” the other woman. Just remind yourself that he has nurtured this relationship with her at the expense of your emotional connection as a couple. He could have put the work in to connect with you.
What a good way of putting it.
robocracker · 26/03/2022 07:59

I can't actually believe you are still with him. Why are people even advising anything on this? After all this time. It's so inappropriate for a married man.

From my perspective it's quite simple.

If my husband spent this much time and effort on a woman but wasn't the same with me I'd have left him

If my husband cried over another woman at her wedding I'd have walked out there and then.

If my husband told me he loved another woman that wasn't his mum or sister I'd have left him.

My husband has a lot of female friends through his hobby. I'm not worried about them in any way. I have no issues if they do away days or weekends. That's how you should feel about your spouses friends. You shouldn't have to worry about it at all.

I have actually just discussed this with my husband and he is incredulous at your husbands behaviour! He says he should have chosen to leave and stop treating you like second best.

ImJustMadAboutSaffron · 26/03/2022 08:01

They are both pathetic. How selfish and juvenile of them to treat you in this way and for her to gaslight the guy she has just married. You deserve more than this. They are both shameful. And your children deserve a proper father, not a stupid little boy.

Chocomelon · 26/03/2022 08:01

The "friendship" is highly inappropriate if he had feelings like that.

spacehardware · 26/03/2022 08:01

Honestly OP the more I think about this the more ragey I feel on your behalf. This has been your "normal" for 9 years. It's not normal

When I read threads on here, I try to imagine what people look like. I'm conjuring up Matt Hancock for your husband. Ick

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