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Mumsnet has not checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. If you need help urgently or expert advice, please see our domestic violence webguide and/or relationships webguide. Many Mumsnetters experiencing domestic abuse have found this thread helpful: Listen up, everybody

PIL turning up uninvited

138 replies

Hidingin · 21/02/2022 15:51

I have a terrible relationship with PIL. They are rude and cruel to me, make fun of me, judge me, openly criticise me. They comment on our house, relationship, careers, our parenting, anything really and it’s never ever a positive comment. I normally shut this down with a ‘thanks but we’re happy with what we’re doing’ type comment but it’s relentless. Whilst they aren’t often horrible to DC they aren’t always the nicest either.
I ask them not to be rude, I have protected dc and DH defends us all too. but a lot happens subtly, and it becomes a waste of time as they deny everything or say we are just being sensitive if we raise any issues. Or occasionally they get incredibly mad, and will scream and swear at myself and DH even in front of DC. so when they’re in our house really I’m just trying to not let things blow up. There’s a lot more examples but we are now LC, with periods of NC after any particularly bad behaviour. Though they do pretend like nothing happened the next day, and then the rest of the family will comment on how cruel we are being in not having them over to our house enough.

My main issue is that sometimes even though we are LC, they just show up at our house uninvited. When they show up they will look in the windows and they won’t leave if they think we are in, so just ignoring them isn’t an option. They once stayed for 15 minutes whilst I was bathing dc and couldn’t get to the door. The entire time they were banging on the door, looking through the windows, and even shouting my name. DH was at work, and saw them on our security cameras. So he called them and asked them to come back later when he was home instead as I was obviously either out or couldn’t get to the door. But they said no, then they carried on knocking on the door and windows at the front of the house and then walked around the sides and back of the house, knocking on all of the windows and still shouting, letting themselves into our back garden and trying to open the side and back doors to let themselves in, getting more and more angry as time went on. I couldn’t hide upstairs with DC indefinitely so had to let them in, they were angry and started talking to DC about how silly mummy was, and can’t she hear anything? Why did she spend all that money on security cameras if she’s not going to look at them when people come to the house? Why won’t she let PIL see DC, aren’t DC much happier with PIL rather than just mummy, don’t DC love love PIL more than mummy and daddy…and so on…

Ive obviously asked politely and then more firmly told them not to come round uninvited. DH has also told them. But still they just turn up.
Sometimes I feel like I can’t relax in my own home because I know they could turn up any minute and we have to let them in and have them be rude to us in the house, or have a confrontation at the door where we tell them they can’t come in. I can also feel my anxiety building at any occasion that’s supposed to be nice like birthdays or even when dc2 was born because I know there’s even more chance of them turning up than normal.

I just don’t know how to stop getting so anxious about this. I don’t think it’s my decision to go no contact as they’re not my parents. I have attempted NC myself and DH can go visit at their house whenever he wants. But still they turn up at our house.

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Hidingin · 08/03/2022 12:26

Thanks @LookItsMeAgain and everyone else for your comments, it’s been a lot to think about
I’ve put my foot down and for the last few weeks the PIL are listening that they have to call ahead before coming round.
I make sure I’m not there when they come round and typically I take DC too. Which is annoying because it’s multiple times a week I have to clear out my own house. My hope was that I wouldn’t have to be there for the visits, then I could start to reduce the number of visits.
But the result is that they have ‘broken down’ to DHs siblings that they are now suffering with their MH because of the state of our relationship, they have no idea what the problem is, they don’t know why I’m staying away from them and keeping the DC away too. DHs siblings staged what was practically an intervention last week, to give him a talking to and tell him he has to fix it. They agree it’s PILs fault, but that doesn’t matter DH still needs to fix it because PILs MH is too fragile now and DH is being cruel by not trying to fix it.
I have mentioned that PIL are not doing anything to fix it either, but have been told that two wrongs don’t make a right.

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Redshoeblueshoe · 08/03/2022 12:31

So they are not actually listening, and they are sending in the siblings. Seriously I would go NC with all of them.

Hidingin · 08/03/2022 13:21

I think going NC is a process. I don’t think its a decision to happen overnight.
If I go NC with his siblings it doesn’t achieve anything as DH won’t.

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LookItsMeAgain · 08/03/2022 13:33

So in this situation, your DH's siblings are your PiL 'flying monkeys', there to do the bidding of PiL and to disregard your wishes entirely.

The response to the siblings is "This is a matter between PiL and us. Let's not fall out about it and let's not discuss it further. Any further discussions on this will upset me and show me that you cannot respect my wishes here. So, let's just drop the subject."

Do not entertain any sort of 'intervention' on behalf of your inlaws. Your DH should also tell his siblings that he is not going to be bullied into submission by them or by his parents. He is an adult and has to be respected as one.

Going "no contact" or NC is as long a process as you want it to be. It can happen overnight. You (as in both you and your DH) could send out one final message to all of his family and say that if they feel they can no longer respect the boundaries that you're trying to establish, they are no longer welcome in your lives. You will not be open to any form of whatever 'intervention' they tried to stage (and actually that was offensive to both you and your DH) nor will you be open to anyone turning up uninvited to your home and being disruptive to your day. This is a defining moment for you all.

Best of luck to you dealing with it.

LookItsMeAgain · 08/03/2022 13:35

Here is a link to an article discussing what 'flying monkeys' are:
www.psychologytoday.com/ie/blog/women-autism-spectrum-disorder/202010/are-you-narcissist-s-flying-monkey

AttilaTheMeerkat · 08/03/2022 13:39

PILs here are using their siblings as the flying monkeys and they have indeed been sent in by them to do their bidding. These flying monkeys have no interest in hearing your side of things so their opinion should be ignored. PILs also know exactly why they've been cut off.

What does your DH think about this current situation whereby you people as his family leave when his parents show up?.

Your DHs inertia when it comes to all his family hurts him as much as you people. This is not to say he should not address this in therapy because he absolutely should. He's basically been conditioned into thinking that the sky will fall in if his toxic parents are upset in any way; such conditioning is also deeply rooted as well as powerful. I would also think that even now he still wants their approval, approval they will never give him.

Easterbunnyiswindowshopping · 08/03/2022 13:40

Maybe remind dh who he married. That should be where his loyalties are..

Hidingin · 08/03/2022 13:45

Thank you
DH does not fully believe at this point that PILs are narcissists (though he doesn’t accept their behaviour) the siblings definitely don’t think PILs are narcissists. I also don’t believe the siblings are doing this out of any malice. Just as in the article you shared, they’re just aligning to the power for safety and for their own selfish reasons.

But when I tell dh they are doing his parents bidding, he doesn’t believe it.
If anyones parent was upset about a sibling, it’s normal another sibling may say something.
This really minimises what they’re actually doing imo but I can’t force him into seeing that.

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ImAvingOops · 08/03/2022 13:49

You need to stop going out to facilitate their visits. It's not enough to say call first. Now you have to start saying no, today is not convenient. Then when they turn up anyway, call the police.

Hidingin · 08/03/2022 13:53

He's basically been conditioned into thinking that the sky will fall in if his toxic parents are upset in any way; such conditioning is also deeply rooted as well as powerful. I would also think that even now he still wants their approval, approval they will never give him

This is EXACTLY it. He starts to see the light and then siblings show up, reinforcing all of his own internal monologue and concerns and telling him he is right to be worried about all of those things, and all the things PIL did weren’t that bad.

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Iluvfriends · 08/03/2022 14:00

Tell them you will not be allowing them into your home unless it is prearranged and if they do just turn up you will not be letting them in......and stick to it.

It's the only way they will learn.

Hotelhelp · 08/03/2022 14:03

OP I'm no help but just wanted to say I know how you are feeling.

I have had times where I am sitting in my house in tears almost having a panic attack in case my PILS turn up.

It is NOT an option just to be rude to them in my case. Even asking nicely for them not to do it wouldn't go down well.

Hotelhelp · 08/03/2022 14:08

Would someone genuinely say to their MIL 'you cannot come into my house right now. Leave'?

elliesmummy19 · 08/03/2022 14:12

Police!

I absolutely love my PILs but even I would be miffed with them if they just showed up unannounced. This is just not acceptable.

Hidingin · 08/03/2022 14:13

@Hotelhelp thank you. It’s really difficult, I feel the same
Sorry to hear you’re in similar circumstances Flowers
We have a few other things going on at the moment and even being nice but setting boundaries will result in days and weeks of stress and anxiety, they don’t just give up lightly, there will always be a bigger ‘move’ if it looks like we’re moving away.
Sometimes you don’t have the capacity to deal with it. I’m trying my best to make it manageable and reduce contact but I cant force DH to go NC. So even if I am NC (which I virtually am at this point) as a couple we still have to deal with it. Plus me going NC means he gets treated worse.

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ImAvingOops · 08/03/2022 14:14

You wouldn't say it to normal people but if you had nutters who behaved like this, you'd have to respond more extremely

Nancydrawn · 08/03/2022 14:20

Out of curiosity, how old are his parents?

Hidingin · 08/03/2022 14:22

@Hotelhelp

Would someone genuinely say to their MIL 'you cannot come into my house right now. Leave'?
This is the problem, I can let them in to be rude to me or I can say this

Even my own friends who agree with me, have said I can’t tell my PILs to go away if they turn up at my house.

Obviously I don’t have to listen to them if I decide that’s what’s right, but it does make you question yourself.

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Eviebeans · 08/03/2022 14:25

I'm not going to say that I understand because I have never experienced anything like it but something to bear in mind is that "family" will try to make you think its normal and that you should go along with it because while the in laws are round bothering you they're not round bothering them.

Hotelhelp · 08/03/2022 14:26

I do think that if they caught me in the wrong mood I could do it but I know that that would be creating a whole other thing. It wouldn't just be the end of the matter and it's not worth it.

In your situation where you're already NC it's maybe a bit different - I'm not NC with my PILs but just hate them coming to the house unannounced.

On every 'people turning up unannounced' thread people always say just tell them to leave, don't let them in, pretend you aren't in and I do question how easy that is to do IRL to people you actually know.

LookItsMeAgain · 08/03/2022 14:26

Print out the article. Print out other articles (I found that one by putting "Flying Monkeys" into a Google Search). Leave them around the house so that he can pick them up and read them and eventually he will understand the situation.

I don't think that his parents are 100% narcissists though they definitely show traits. It is going to be hard for him to have that lightbulb moment where he realises that his siblings really don't care about him, they just want to not be at the other end of a phone call or a visit from their parents when their parents are complaining that they can no longer drop by uninvited to your house and cause a disturbance when you won't let them in so they pass the responsibility back to your DH to get it sorted.

Iluvfriends · 08/03/2022 14:27

I think you need to limit the amount of visits per week.
You tell them when they can visit, it's your house, your decision.
I would not be going out of my own home to avoid someone. Nor would i be treated with anything other than respect in my home.

Hidingin · 08/03/2022 14:30

@LookItsMeAgain what makes you think they aren’t out of interest?
Obviously there’s a lot more than what I’ve said here…Blush

@Hotelhelp yes it absolutely would cause such huge repercussions. I’m not actually NC I just avoid them and manage to successfully about 99% of the time at the moment.

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Hidingin · 08/03/2022 14:32

I would not be going out of my own home to avoid someone. Nor would i be treated with anything other than respect in my home

Then they can’t come round Grin (which has its own problems and repercussions)
The disrespect is not always so blatant that you can call it out. And if you do try, you will be gaslit and there will be further repercussions

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AttilaTheMeerkat · 08/03/2022 14:41

Repercussions are already happening; you now have the flying monkeys to also ignore. Your current situation is untenable.

People from dysfunctional families end up playing roles; what is your DHs role here?. He comes across here as the family scapegoat and as a result you people as his family get scapegoated as well.

How does he feel about moving house and from that leaving no forwarding address?.

Indeed it will be hard for him if he ever comes to realise that his parents are really not the nice people he has been led to believe they are. His inertia re his parents is playing a huge role here in him not wanting to acknowledge or realise that he is also a pawn in their game playing. Currently he cannot and or will not deal with them so you take all the fallout. He's using you as a buffer here.

You all need to have no contact whatsoever with these people on your H's side of the family. It also does your kids no favours at all to see these people disrespect you as their parents.