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My wife doesn't want kids

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KalebGalvin · 07/02/2022 23:31

Hi, thanks for reading my post, any help would be greatly appreciated as I am going through a bit of hell right now and I need to vent and get some other opinions. I figured mumsnet would be a good place to get some advice from a community I wouldn't normally be a part of.

So, please bear with me, this is quite a story.

So, I have been with my wife for 16/17 years, only married for 4, but dated ever since we were teenagers. We are very much in love, I love her so very much, our friends and family were so happy to see us get married, that when we kissed, the entire church erupted in cheers. No things aren't perfect, but no more imperfect than any other relationship and better than most in my opinion.

BUT

In the lead up to our wedding, maybe a week or so before, she tells me she is worried she won't be able to give me a family, I figure it is just cold feet right? We have spoken about kids for years, I made it VERY VERY clear how I felt, I wanted a family, it has always been in my mind. She knew this, so her coming up with that on the eve of our wedding looked like cold feet.

So we got married, it was great, then on the honeymoon, she decided to tell me that she doesn't think she wants kids. I was blown away. Here we are having the time of our life, and she drops that bombshell. We just blew a lot of money getting married, we had everything going for us, and boom, she drops the big news.

But, she has always told me she was on board with it, and she was in her 20s and neither of us was particularly mature, so I said that we aren't wanting kids RIGHT NOW, and she seems to have changed her mind out of the blue. So I kept calm, I love this woman, I decided, let's go see a counselor, get some therapy both as couples and separately. Let's get some books and get educated. She told me she didn't want to get pregnant and do the whole child birth thing. So I figured, let's educate ourselves, put a pin in this and talk about it in the future. But for now, let's get educated on it first.

Fast forward 2 years, she comes to me and says that she really doesnt think she can have a baby. The pregnancy and birthing does not appeal to her, and seems terrifying and painful. But here is the kicker right now, she has decided FOR BOTH OF US that she is NOT having children biologically. I will address this more later, but she believes it is her body and she decides what happens to it, and she pretty much informed me she was not going to allow her body to get pregnant.

It really kicked off a bit here, I went a bit mad. Because she kept saying 'I know you would make an amazing dad, but I just can't do it'. We had a huge argument (which we have only ever had maybe 3 in the entire time we knew each other). I said I needed some time to think so I left the house, and I called her mother and let her know we had a bust up and that she may want to check in on her daughter (as they live close by). I was also going through some serious depression and was having some suicidal thoughts before she told me this, so I wasnt in the best place to hear this.

So her mum got involved a little bit here as she tried to support her daughter. I was a bit damn surprised by this in a way because she has had 3 kids of her own, and my wife's siblings have both had 1 or two kids themselves. Their family revolves around kids, so when my mother in law tried to tell me that I was being silly and that I didn't really know what I was talking about wanting kids, I was somewhat infuriated at the hypocrisy. This is exacerbated by the fact that until that very phone call, my wife has avoided telling anybody in her family that she felt this way about kids as each time the subject came up they all told her she would change her mind and asked when she was going to have her first kid. So my mother in law going the full 180 caught me off guard and it is hard to argue with somebody who is being a total hypocrite.

But we spoke afterwards and I said to my wife I don't care about biology. I asked if it was just the birth and pregnancy she couldn't do and whether she would be ok with adopting. She said yes, she could be open to that but that she wasn't totally onboard with it, but removing the pregnancy from the table really helped her process it and changed her views a lot.

So we put a pin in it again, I felt like this was progress. 6 months down the line she said one evening when we were on the sofa, that she really appreciated my being open to adoption and that she is kind of coming round. I saw this as a great sign.

Then give it another 6 months to a year, which brings us to last week. Now I just got a new job, this is not related, other than to say we have more money than we have ever had, and after my professional life being in the drain for 7 years, things are looking very promising for me. And I think maybe this new money and future prospects will assuage her fears about the financial side of kids. But she totally blindsided me, because last week, out of the blue she told me she wants to get sterilized. I was a bit stunned so I can't remember the reason, but essentially she wants to stop taking birth control pills, and even with the pills she doesn't enjoy sex at all as all she can think about is the danger of getting pregnant.

This has seriously messed with my mind. The last time we spoke she was on the fence about kids, but she has now gone full hard reverse and gone as deep as possible into the no child territory. And though I have not looked into this much, I am pretty sure that being voluntarily sterilized with no medical reason is a massive red flag if you try to adopt later on. So not only is this a hard no to getting pregnant, it is also putting adoption at real risk too.

But then she landed the master stroke of this statement. I asked her how she feels about adoption now, and she said she would do it, but only because I wanted to. AS IF ADOPTING A KID WAS LIKE BUYING A CAT. This scared me to death because with that one statement she admitted that she doesn't want kids in any capacity, but also that she would be willing to adopt a kid (lets ignore the issue of the difficulties of adopting for the moment) just to make me happy. That is so very irresponsible and just wrong.

She once again decided to get sterilized on her own, she was not asking my permission, merely asking what I thought about it, though the way she worded it she was clearly doing it out of courtesy, not because she feels I should have a say in it.

(Let's address this before it goes any further. I will fight to defend anybody's right to say what is done with their own body. Even though i want kids, if my wife got accidentally pregnant, I would not even think of stopping her getting an abortion if that was her wish, because it was not planned and it is her body. But in a marriage, certain things affect both parties. In deciding not to get pregnant, she has made that decision for me too, without consulting or even asking me really. The same goes with getting sterilized. I am not saying I should have to give her my permission to do things with her own body, but when it affects me too, I should at least be considered. I wouldn't get a vasectomy without asking her, I wouldn't get a massive face tattoo without asking her, because it affects her too)

I was totally shocked by this. She has basically told me that she has now made her mind up and is willing to permanently make steps to stop getting pregnant. Not only this, she has in my opinion quite possibly sabotaged the idea of adopting too, and I can't help but think this was deliberate.

What really confused me though, is that after she said this to me, we had an awkward evening. The days afterwards she has been being overly affectionate, as if nothing happened, and then she seemed to be randomly snappy and sarcastic at other times. I have been walking around in a daze like I have shellshock. I can hardly feel anything right now. And I don't care about anything because I have been in fight or flight mode since we had the talk. I have no idea what is going to happen, I alternate between not eating, and stress eating compulsively.

I tend to put other people before me, it is just something I do. In the case of my relationship I usually let my wife get her way with most things as my goal was to make her happy. I was not a pushover by any means, but I tried my best to make her happy. This entire time with this issue I have tried to be understanding, I spent a long time questioning if I could live without kids. But the moment she made this decision for us, and took having kids off the table, it just made me realize how much I do want them.

I have two nephews and two nieces, whom I love very much. I tried to pretend I could be happy with just them, but I only have to look at my two brothers in law with their kids to know I won’t be. Those kids love me, I am very good with them, but to them I am just their uncle, they love me but they don’t seem me but once a year. So we don’t get much time together. And every time I see how those kids are with their dads, I ask ‘why can’t I have that?’ and I wonder what is so bad about that that my wife will go so far as to get sterilized to prevent it.

My wife believes I have accepted her decision about sterilization, I have not. But I do not believe it to be in my power to forbid her anything. And in truth I don’t care about the sterilization itself, more so that I care what it means. It means she has made her mind up, she is no longer saying she doesn't ‘think’ she wants kids, she may as well have signed a contract saying she does not want, will not want children and is willing to permanently remove tha from the realm of possibility.

And in giving me her response of an absolute no, she essentially gave me an ultimatum. I didn’t respond properly to her question because I believe once we pull the pin on that discussion, there will be no controlling its momentum, and I want to know how I feel when I broach this subject.

I understand how she feels, at least I think I am. I try to understand her logic, kids are expensive, messy, they disrupt your life and in truth if you had to sign a document stating what you were getting vs what you would have to forfeit, it makes no sense. But on the other hand I just feel strongly that I want to be a parent. I want to teach my kids how to be adults, and show them the world. I never had a good relationship with my dad, but my grandad raised me in all the ways that matter, and I have always wanted to be looked at the same way I looked at him, the same way my nephews look at their dads. I think I would be a great dad (admittedly many do).

So even though my instinct is to give my wife her own way, it would be the easiest thing in the world to just go along with not having kids. I feel like I would resent it more and more each day.

This is not to mention that she lied to me too. When she told me on the honeymoon that she changed her mind, I thought it was a recent development, as if something had scared her. But when she brought it up last week, she said she always knew from a young age she didn’t want to be a mother.

So whether she lied to me out of fear of losing me (I think this is most likely) or she lied to trick me, the end result is the same. We shouldn’t be in this situation, I feel tricked, like this woman who I hold above all else, and I KNOW she has never lied to me about anything else, just happened to keep this secret which rocks the foundations of our entire relationship.

I WANT to say this is not fair, this is all your fault and just leave and try to find somebody else. But I LOVE my wife, faults and all. And I WANT her to be the mother of my children.

I want to rage, but I just feel sad. I feel like there is no right answer. If I stay I will be sad and resentful. If I go I will lose my wife and best friend of 17 years.

I caused none of this, she caused this whole thing by not being honest. And it almost seems as if she doesn’t understand what is at stake. She has not behaved very well about this whole issue and yet I am the one struggling with so much guilt. I don’t want to lose her, but I don’t believe it is right of her to ask me to give up on wanting my own family either.

I just don’t know what to do. I mean I don’t want to hurt her, but in a very real way she has hurt me deeply, and I am going to be hurt no matter what I do. I am almost 35, time is running out if I am to meet anybody else, but at the same time, I don’t want anybody.
Sorry I know this is a meandering mess of a story. But it is representative of my mind right now. I am glad I am not suffering from depression and the suicidal ideation anymore, that would make it even harder to think.

If you read this far, thanks for your time.
Have any of you been through something like this? Did you choose to leave or stay? Do you regret your choice?

I would love to hear your thoughts, because I am just ruminating on this like crazy. My therapist would be really angry at me for thinking about this so much. I am just going round in circles.

OP posts:
AwakeAgainNaturally · 08/02/2022 07:21

Your wife should have made it clear king before the wedding that she didn’t want children. Contrary to what others have said, she told you on your honeymoon when it was too late.
You’ve wasted enough time on her. You sound absolutely miserable and I doubt she is happy either. Lots of relationships have broken up over this issue. It’s very important.
You need to take the bill by the horns and end this marriage. You will find someone else who wants a family as much as you do. Someone who will be honest and treat you fairly.

I also think you need a better counsellor who can help you work through this.

Mollysocks · 08/02/2022 07:23

@Bussinbussin

My god. I don't really know where to start with all that, except that I don't blame her (or any woman) for not wanting to procreate with you.

She told you before the wedding. You chose to ignore it, and since then have acted like it's a complete surprise to you every time it's brought up again. You've lost your shit, bullied her, tried to 'educate her with books' (WTF?), dragged her mother into it and turned on her when she didn't take your side.

SHE DOES NOT WANT CHILDREN.

This!!

The fact you also use phrases such as ‘give me kids’ and ‘she believes it’s her body’ tells me everything I need to know about you and how you perceive women. You obviously see them as a commodity to provide you with something you want.

You need to grow up and get your head out the 1800s. Who do you think you are? Women don’t owe you anything!

Velvian · 08/02/2022 07:23

@AwakeAgainNaturally read the OP again.

ivebeentotheyear3000 · 08/02/2022 07:26

Other posters are saying she warned you before the wedding that she didn't want kids, but if all she genuinely said was that she was 'worried' she wouldn't be able to give you a family, then this doesn't necessarily mean that to me. How did the conversation go, was any more said, how did you respond? It does sound like she strung you along a bit, probably out of fear of breaking the news to you. Equally it sounds like you have put undue pressure on her to change her mind, in a decision that is ultimately her own.

You must have a strong bond having been together as teenagers, but it does sound like you are no longer compatible. It will be heart-wrenching to split and therefore in a lot of ways it would be the 'easy' thing to stay. But you obviously desperately want kids and she desperately doesn't. It doesn't seem like there's a chance of either of you changing your mind. If you stay you will grow resentful and miserable.

As other posters have said, I'm sure you would be able to find someone that fairly quickly wants to settle down.

Twixie2022 · 08/02/2022 07:30

You need to leave OP. Your marriage is already over. You will possibly regret not leaving in 20 years time when you look back and have no children. You will then more than likely come to despise your wife for it.

She has made her decision and it’s hers to make in terms of her body. It does come across that she has told you repeatedly but I think you just hoped she would change her mind.

You need to leave Op if this is something you can’t live without. It’s that simple tbh.

Eddielzzard · 08/02/2022 07:30

I think you've given this your best shot. You clearly want very different things, and trying to change her mind is really not going to work on something so big. You're not talking about choosing a takeaway, it's a massive life changing decision. Having children when you don't really want them is really awful. Worse for the child.

Leave. Find someone who does want kids.

Theunamedcat · 08/02/2022 07:43

Ultimately time is on your side you can have children when your older so I suggest you

Leave

Get therapy

Move on from this

TokyoTen · 08/02/2022 07:46

You want different things and she should have told you much earlier. But you'll always resent her for this so leave and move on. 35 is young enough to find someone else and gave kids.

PeakyBlender · 08/02/2022 07:49

Leave her.

Velvian · 08/02/2022 07:50

@TokyoTen, have you read the OP? She's told him several times over years, by the Ozp's own admission. Who knows how many more times she has told him and he just hasn't listened.

CrunchyCarrot · 08/02/2022 07:50
  1. Having or not having children is a relationship deal-breaker.
  2. Your wife is right, it is her body, so having children means she is the one who has to get pregnant and give birth. This can be a terrifying thought. It certainly was to me (I don't have kids).
  3. It is very hard to admit to someone you love intensely that you don't want kids, you want to convince yourself that you can do it 'at some point', but in reality, that never happens.
  4. Sometimes we have to accept the other person isn't going to do what we want and it's best to walk away, painful as that is, as staying makes things even harder, for both of you.

Bottom line: I'm sorry but your relationship isn't going to work out as things stand, unless you love your wife enough to unconditionally accept that you will never have kids with her (please don't adopt!) and you won't keep guilt-tripping her over that decision.

I did not want kids - my husband-to-be at the time thought privately I"d change my mind as many women do. I did not. We divorced after 5 years, he was also increasingly abusive.Women are supposed to want kids, when we don't, we're seen as abnormal, so it's not surprising your wife hasn't been upfront from day one, or told her family.

missingeu · 08/02/2022 07:52

You can't force anyone to have children.
If this means you can't move on with marriage, then the choice is yours to make.
But you can't force her to have children because you want them.
Maybe there were signs she was trying to give throughout your relationship of which you've been blinded too.
If I didn't want children and my DH did, and he tried to presaude me with education, telling my family, throwing a stroop and keep pestering me.
I'd leave him, as it's controlling behaviour and a big warning sign.

DarlingDarwin · 08/02/2022 08:00

Your wife has repeatedly said she does not wish to have children, since you have got to the age where children were a realistic prospect. If your actually done research on adoption you would know that a permanent or long acting contraception is often required in order for them to consider you. But I suspect from your post that you have not “educated yourself”, only your wife. And I also suspect that you don’t have any intention of adopting, you only wanted her to accept it as a spring board to bio children.

Your wife is petrified of pregnancy and birth. I hope she can see you are not the person for her, because any partner worth her time would support her in this, or decide to move on. Not manipulate her, educate her, try to get her family to gang up on her and threaten her.

I also note a complete lack of any discussion on what you feel your role as a father would be - other than to provide money and be adored. I suspect from this that there would be an expectation for her to provide most of the parenting.

Please leave her and let her get on with her life with someone who deserves her.

Keepingthingsinteresting · 08/02/2022 08:01

@IncompleteSenten

She has behaved very badly

She doesn't want a child - that is her choice and her right and you are not entitled to a child from her but she dangled a child in front of you so you'd marry her and that's wrong

I'd leave.

You'll only end up resenting her.

Sorry, but no where does it say she “dangled a child” in front of the OP. In fact she did the exact opposite in saying before they were married she didn’t want kids- I get it’s difficult for both of them but don’t make her out to have tricked him, when it sounds like he just assumed they would have kids.

OP, I was uncomfortable with your post as frankly you sound unreasonable and controlling, but I will put that down to you being hurt. She doesn’t want kids, so if you want kids more than her you’ll have to leave- difficult for you both, but better in the long run. Try to be kind though, she didn’t trick you, it sounds like you’ve been together since you were very wrong and you assumed you would have kids a that is “normal”. Your wife tried to raise it, which I imagine was very difficult for her, but has not pushed it as frankly ou stand more to lose.

Honestly, unless she wholeheartedly wants kids it isn’t a good idea, but sterilisation has nothing to do with ability to adopt.

User1isnotavailable · 08/02/2022 08:08

Leave her and find someone more suitable that shares your dream of children. A lady I worked with didn't want children due to fear of pain giving birth, she had a massive phobia and never gave birth and never had children. Her husband wasn't too bothered so it worked out.

You will resent her if you stay and that resentment will build and build and be very unhealthy.

Leave. You have time to start again.

Sally872 · 08/02/2022 08:10

She doesn't want kids and she isn't going to change her mind. That is devastating for you. The only decision for you is do you want to stay together or split.

For me I would split and hope I met someone to have children with but even if I didn't I would rather leave because she has been very unfair to only tell you about this so close to wedding then make you think she might change her mind for 4 years.

ChocolateMassacre · 08/02/2022 08:10

she believes it is her body and she decides what happens to it

It is her body. She does decide what happens to it.

You sound quite controlling. You sound like you would be happy if you could make your wife have a child and that you're annoyed that actually this is something you don't have control over and you have to respect her choice.

Having a child generally impacts women a lot more than men. Very few fathers pull their weight with everything split 50/50. It's much easier for fathers to retain their former life and sense of self than for mothers. And societally women are usually the ones left holding the baby if men get bored and leave. Why would a woman who is not keen on having a child want to take this risk?

You have the right not to give up on your hope of being a father, but you need to achieve that through leaving this relationship and finding someone who shares your life goals. Not through coercing or bullying your wife into doing something which is harmful and dangerous to her health and which she doesn't want to do.

User1isnotavailable · 08/02/2022 08:12

I don't think saying 'I'm worried I won't be able to give you children' just before the wedding is fair. It's possible she knew from very young she didn't want children as my co worker did. She just didn't tell you in full but drip fed you over the years. Perhaps she thought you would leave and she could persuade you otherwise, who knows.

Leave her and find your happiness elsewhere.

godmum56 · 08/02/2022 08:12

This is very sad but she told you and kept telling you and you didn't listen. I suggest you end this marriage while you are both still young enough to find partners who will give you what you want...

GreyGoose1980 · 08/02/2022 08:14

You need to either 100 % accept she doesn’t want children and try and live a happy child free life (which it sounds unlikely you can do) or otherwise leave. You are currently still trying to change her mind. This is a waste of time and will hurt you both. You both have the right to be happy. You are 35 - you still have time to make a different happier life for yourself but you need to face the reality of the situation.

GrendelsGrandma · 08/02/2022 08:14

She doesn't want kids. You decide whether to stay or go.

What you don't do is try to wear her down because you can't accept that she's an entire person with bodily autonomy and her own ideas about life. Which is what all this 'stick a pin in it' crap is about. You keep coming back round to an issue until she agrees with you.

I'm always a bit suss about couples who got together as teens before they became fully developed as people. You sound a bit controlling and passive aggressive.

Luckily for you, there are a gazillion women in their 30s wanting to find someone to have kids with. Let your wife go, find someone to build a happy, healthy relationship with and you could easily be a father by the time you're 40.

VivX · 08/02/2022 08:16

@KalebGalvin
*She told me she didn't want to get pregnant and do the whole child birth thing. So I figured, let's educate ourselves, put a pin in this and talk about it in the future. But for now, let's get educated on it first.

Fast forward 2 years, she comes to me and says that she really doesnt think she can have a baby. The pregnancy and birthing does not appeal to her, and seems terrifying and painful. But here is the kicker right now, she has decided FOR BOTH OF US that she is NOT having children biologically. I will address this more later, but she believes it is her body and she decides what happens to it, and she pretty much informed me she was not going to allow her body to get pregnant.*

She's right. It isn't just a "belief" that it is her body. It is her body and she absolutely does get to decide what to do with it.

She doesn't want children. You are not going to change her mind.

It is sad that you aren't in agreement about this but she's made up her mind, as is her right, and your only option for children is to divorce her and find somebody else.

DropYourSword · 08/02/2022 08:22

We have spoken about kids for years, I made it VERY VERY clear how I felt, I wanted a family, it has always been in my mind. She knew this

From everything you said in your post, it doesn't seem like you've really talked about HER feelings or expectations before marriage. The fact she's been so unenthusiastic about having children since that point really should have been your clue she really doesn't want them! She's told you that plenty, really.

Clearly you want kids. Clearly she doesn't. Now you decide what's more important to you, having a child or remaining in this relationship. Both can't happen.
The preference of the person who doesn't want kids ALWAYS takes precedence in situations.
Leave and find someone who does want children. She so clearly doesn't - I can't understand why you've struggled for so long to understand that.

Change123today · 08/02/2022 08:25

Leave

I remember a while ago reading on here about a man that didn’t want children and wanted a vasectomy and another one where the husband went and had the vasectomy - you can get a mixed bag of responses. But the majority said for the first one leave it wasn’t fair to the female partner who wanted children.

I have friends had been together 25 years, married for 15 years - she never wanted children (& was very clear on that) and he loved her accepted that he would never have children. Sadly they split up and he would never regret being with her as he genuinely loved her and thought they’d be together forever - but he regrets he didn’t have children (he is also the sort that won’t go looking for a younger women!) it’s sad but he always knew her honest stance on children.

oakleaffy · 08/02/2022 08:27

Leave and have a family with someone whom you are better suited to.