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My wife doesn't want kids

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KalebGalvin · 07/02/2022 23:31

Hi, thanks for reading my post, any help would be greatly appreciated as I am going through a bit of hell right now and I need to vent and get some other opinions. I figured mumsnet would be a good place to get some advice from a community I wouldn't normally be a part of.

So, please bear with me, this is quite a story.

So, I have been with my wife for 16/17 years, only married for 4, but dated ever since we were teenagers. We are very much in love, I love her so very much, our friends and family were so happy to see us get married, that when we kissed, the entire church erupted in cheers. No things aren't perfect, but no more imperfect than any other relationship and better than most in my opinion.

BUT

In the lead up to our wedding, maybe a week or so before, she tells me she is worried she won't be able to give me a family, I figure it is just cold feet right? We have spoken about kids for years, I made it VERY VERY clear how I felt, I wanted a family, it has always been in my mind. She knew this, so her coming up with that on the eve of our wedding looked like cold feet.

So we got married, it was great, then on the honeymoon, she decided to tell me that she doesn't think she wants kids. I was blown away. Here we are having the time of our life, and she drops that bombshell. We just blew a lot of money getting married, we had everything going for us, and boom, she drops the big news.

But, she has always told me she was on board with it, and she was in her 20s and neither of us was particularly mature, so I said that we aren't wanting kids RIGHT NOW, and she seems to have changed her mind out of the blue. So I kept calm, I love this woman, I decided, let's go see a counselor, get some therapy both as couples and separately. Let's get some books and get educated. She told me she didn't want to get pregnant and do the whole child birth thing. So I figured, let's educate ourselves, put a pin in this and talk about it in the future. But for now, let's get educated on it first.

Fast forward 2 years, she comes to me and says that she really doesnt think she can have a baby. The pregnancy and birthing does not appeal to her, and seems terrifying and painful. But here is the kicker right now, she has decided FOR BOTH OF US that she is NOT having children biologically. I will address this more later, but she believes it is her body and she decides what happens to it, and she pretty much informed me she was not going to allow her body to get pregnant.

It really kicked off a bit here, I went a bit mad. Because she kept saying 'I know you would make an amazing dad, but I just can't do it'. We had a huge argument (which we have only ever had maybe 3 in the entire time we knew each other). I said I needed some time to think so I left the house, and I called her mother and let her know we had a bust up and that she may want to check in on her daughter (as they live close by). I was also going through some serious depression and was having some suicidal thoughts before she told me this, so I wasnt in the best place to hear this.

So her mum got involved a little bit here as she tried to support her daughter. I was a bit damn surprised by this in a way because she has had 3 kids of her own, and my wife's siblings have both had 1 or two kids themselves. Their family revolves around kids, so when my mother in law tried to tell me that I was being silly and that I didn't really know what I was talking about wanting kids, I was somewhat infuriated at the hypocrisy. This is exacerbated by the fact that until that very phone call, my wife has avoided telling anybody in her family that she felt this way about kids as each time the subject came up they all told her she would change her mind and asked when she was going to have her first kid. So my mother in law going the full 180 caught me off guard and it is hard to argue with somebody who is being a total hypocrite.

But we spoke afterwards and I said to my wife I don't care about biology. I asked if it was just the birth and pregnancy she couldn't do and whether she would be ok with adopting. She said yes, she could be open to that but that she wasn't totally onboard with it, but removing the pregnancy from the table really helped her process it and changed her views a lot.

So we put a pin in it again, I felt like this was progress. 6 months down the line she said one evening when we were on the sofa, that she really appreciated my being open to adoption and that she is kind of coming round. I saw this as a great sign.

Then give it another 6 months to a year, which brings us to last week. Now I just got a new job, this is not related, other than to say we have more money than we have ever had, and after my professional life being in the drain for 7 years, things are looking very promising for me. And I think maybe this new money and future prospects will assuage her fears about the financial side of kids. But she totally blindsided me, because last week, out of the blue she told me she wants to get sterilized. I was a bit stunned so I can't remember the reason, but essentially she wants to stop taking birth control pills, and even with the pills she doesn't enjoy sex at all as all she can think about is the danger of getting pregnant.

This has seriously messed with my mind. The last time we spoke she was on the fence about kids, but she has now gone full hard reverse and gone as deep as possible into the no child territory. And though I have not looked into this much, I am pretty sure that being voluntarily sterilized with no medical reason is a massive red flag if you try to adopt later on. So not only is this a hard no to getting pregnant, it is also putting adoption at real risk too.

But then she landed the master stroke of this statement. I asked her how she feels about adoption now, and she said she would do it, but only because I wanted to. AS IF ADOPTING A KID WAS LIKE BUYING A CAT. This scared me to death because with that one statement she admitted that she doesn't want kids in any capacity, but also that she would be willing to adopt a kid (lets ignore the issue of the difficulties of adopting for the moment) just to make me happy. That is so very irresponsible and just wrong.

She once again decided to get sterilized on her own, she was not asking my permission, merely asking what I thought about it, though the way she worded it she was clearly doing it out of courtesy, not because she feels I should have a say in it.

(Let's address this before it goes any further. I will fight to defend anybody's right to say what is done with their own body. Even though i want kids, if my wife got accidentally pregnant, I would not even think of stopping her getting an abortion if that was her wish, because it was not planned and it is her body. But in a marriage, certain things affect both parties. In deciding not to get pregnant, she has made that decision for me too, without consulting or even asking me really. The same goes with getting sterilized. I am not saying I should have to give her my permission to do things with her own body, but when it affects me too, I should at least be considered. I wouldn't get a vasectomy without asking her, I wouldn't get a massive face tattoo without asking her, because it affects her too)

I was totally shocked by this. She has basically told me that she has now made her mind up and is willing to permanently make steps to stop getting pregnant. Not only this, she has in my opinion quite possibly sabotaged the idea of adopting too, and I can't help but think this was deliberate.

What really confused me though, is that after she said this to me, we had an awkward evening. The days afterwards she has been being overly affectionate, as if nothing happened, and then she seemed to be randomly snappy and sarcastic at other times. I have been walking around in a daze like I have shellshock. I can hardly feel anything right now. And I don't care about anything because I have been in fight or flight mode since we had the talk. I have no idea what is going to happen, I alternate between not eating, and stress eating compulsively.

I tend to put other people before me, it is just something I do. In the case of my relationship I usually let my wife get her way with most things as my goal was to make her happy. I was not a pushover by any means, but I tried my best to make her happy. This entire time with this issue I have tried to be understanding, I spent a long time questioning if I could live without kids. But the moment she made this decision for us, and took having kids off the table, it just made me realize how much I do want them.

I have two nephews and two nieces, whom I love very much. I tried to pretend I could be happy with just them, but I only have to look at my two brothers in law with their kids to know I won’t be. Those kids love me, I am very good with them, but to them I am just their uncle, they love me but they don’t seem me but once a year. So we don’t get much time together. And every time I see how those kids are with their dads, I ask ‘why can’t I have that?’ and I wonder what is so bad about that that my wife will go so far as to get sterilized to prevent it.

My wife believes I have accepted her decision about sterilization, I have not. But I do not believe it to be in my power to forbid her anything. And in truth I don’t care about the sterilization itself, more so that I care what it means. It means she has made her mind up, she is no longer saying she doesn't ‘think’ she wants kids, she may as well have signed a contract saying she does not want, will not want children and is willing to permanently remove tha from the realm of possibility.

And in giving me her response of an absolute no, she essentially gave me an ultimatum. I didn’t respond properly to her question because I believe once we pull the pin on that discussion, there will be no controlling its momentum, and I want to know how I feel when I broach this subject.

I understand how she feels, at least I think I am. I try to understand her logic, kids are expensive, messy, they disrupt your life and in truth if you had to sign a document stating what you were getting vs what you would have to forfeit, it makes no sense. But on the other hand I just feel strongly that I want to be a parent. I want to teach my kids how to be adults, and show them the world. I never had a good relationship with my dad, but my grandad raised me in all the ways that matter, and I have always wanted to be looked at the same way I looked at him, the same way my nephews look at their dads. I think I would be a great dad (admittedly many do).

So even though my instinct is to give my wife her own way, it would be the easiest thing in the world to just go along with not having kids. I feel like I would resent it more and more each day.

This is not to mention that she lied to me too. When she told me on the honeymoon that she changed her mind, I thought it was a recent development, as if something had scared her. But when she brought it up last week, she said she always knew from a young age she didn’t want to be a mother.

So whether she lied to me out of fear of losing me (I think this is most likely) or she lied to trick me, the end result is the same. We shouldn’t be in this situation, I feel tricked, like this woman who I hold above all else, and I KNOW she has never lied to me about anything else, just happened to keep this secret which rocks the foundations of our entire relationship.

I WANT to say this is not fair, this is all your fault and just leave and try to find somebody else. But I LOVE my wife, faults and all. And I WANT her to be the mother of my children.

I want to rage, but I just feel sad. I feel like there is no right answer. If I stay I will be sad and resentful. If I go I will lose my wife and best friend of 17 years.

I caused none of this, she caused this whole thing by not being honest. And it almost seems as if she doesn’t understand what is at stake. She has not behaved very well about this whole issue and yet I am the one struggling with so much guilt. I don’t want to lose her, but I don’t believe it is right of her to ask me to give up on wanting my own family either.

I just don’t know what to do. I mean I don’t want to hurt her, but in a very real way she has hurt me deeply, and I am going to be hurt no matter what I do. I am almost 35, time is running out if I am to meet anybody else, but at the same time, I don’t want anybody.
Sorry I know this is a meandering mess of a story. But it is representative of my mind right now. I am glad I am not suffering from depression and the suicidal ideation anymore, that would make it even harder to think.

If you read this far, thanks for your time.
Have any of you been through something like this? Did you choose to leave or stay? Do you regret your choice?

I would love to hear your thoughts, because I am just ruminating on this like crazy. My therapist would be really angry at me for thinking about this so much. I am just going round in circles.

OP posts:
SheldonesqueTheBstard · 08/02/2022 01:18

If you want children you will have to move on. If you don’t want to leave then you will not have children with your wife.

To be fair, she told you before you got married that she didn’t want to be a mum.

You decided she had cold feet. She told you and you didn’t want to hear it.

Granted the week of your wedding isn’t ideal but she told you.

You say “let’s address this before it goes any further. I will fight to defend anybody's right to say what is done with their own body.”

You then say ‘but we’re married and I should be considered’ or the equivalent of.

No buts I’m afraid. It is her body.

It is rotten on you if you want children but she has made it very very clear she does not want to have a child. She is using the pill to prevent pregnancy. Sterilisation has the same effect. She isn’t going to change her mind.

You need to accept that and decide what you want more.

Imperialmints · 08/02/2022 01:19

It was shit of her to dump the no kids on you right before the wedding. It sounds like she strung you along a bit with her maybes, but she possibly believed them.

It's obviously her choice, her body. I can empathise with you being staggered by having a life changing choice made for you, but it is her body. Your choice is now between staying with her and not having children, as I imagine she will probably go back on the adoption idea, or leave her and start again.

Very painful choices, but I think you will end up bitter and miserable if you stayed without having children and probably end up leaving further down the line anyway. If you want them, then you need to end this relationship. I'm sorry.

Totalwasteofpaper · 08/02/2022 01:20

@Peakypolly

Sorry but it sounds like your wife is never going to be enthusiastic about children. You sound, understandingly, devastated. I think divorce is your only option.It isn't just the children thing but also the fact it sounds like she knowingly misled you before marriage.
This.

I'd look to leave. At 35 and as a man you have time to meet someone else who does want children.

MrsDrSpencerReid · 08/02/2022 01:31

Leave. You’ll always regret it if you don’t.

You don’t sound compatible at all anymore, time to move on for both your sakes.

NorthSouthcatlady · 08/02/2022 01:32

She doesn’t want to have children. Not everyone does. As a woman then l can see why she might feel like that, having children won’t be great for her physical health, mental health or career development. She will also be expected to do most of the heavy lifting in the early days. Having children isn’t for everyone

PrinnyPree · 08/02/2022 01:37

She didn't lie to you about wanting kids she told you she didn't want kids before you were married, she may have tried considering having kids for your sake but has now come to the conclusion that she ultimately does not. That is it, it is her body and she is allowed to do what she wants to it include sterilisation and she's allowed to express that she doesn't want to adopt after considering it.

You now have the choice stay with her child free or move on and find someone who wants kids, that is your right. If you choose the former do not resent her for it, it is her absolute right to not want children.

AmberLynn1536 · 08/02/2022 02:05

@Bussinbussin

My god. I don't really know where to start with all that, except that I don't blame her (or any woman) for not wanting to procreate with you.

She told you before the wedding. You chose to ignore it, and since then have acted like it's a complete surprise to you every time it's brought up again. You've lost your shit, bullied her, tried to 'educate her with books' (WTF?), dragged her mother into it and turned on her when she didn't take your side.

SHE DOES NOT WANT CHILDREN.

This with bells on.
Catra · 08/02/2022 02:09

You have to leave. Surely deep down you realise this?

She doesn't want children, with you or with anyone and if you stay, you will feel hollow for the rest of your life and grow to resent her to such an unbearable extent you will split regardless.

You want her to be the mother of your children, but that is not going to happen. She may seem irreplaceable and of course, you don't want to have children with anyone, but the odds are in your favour - there's umpteen single women who long for children, for whom it's an existential need, just like it is for you - surely it's worth a chance that you're compatible with at least one of them?

coraka · 08/02/2022 02:14

You really want kids. She does not. You're not compatible. You need to get divorced.

She told you before the wedding that she didn't want kids. Your mistake was thinking she would change her mind. I realise it was just before the wedding, so might have felt hard to back out at that point, but she has told you how she felt. She's not going to change her mind and it's not ok for you to try to bully her into it.

I understand it's going to be hard to let this relationship go because you do love each other, but at 35 you need to find someone who has the same desires for family life.

The good news is that there are many women in their 30's in a similar but opposite position to you, getting out of relationships with males who don't want kids, so you should be able to find someone who is seriously minded to settle down and start a family quickly.

Flickflak · 08/02/2022 02:15

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Coolhand2 · 08/02/2022 02:23

No matter how hard it is to break up a 15yr friendship, you really should leave. You are not compatible. You are still young and can find someone easily.

Pyewhacket · 08/02/2022 02:47

Difficult one. If you want a family of your own then you’ve got a hard decision to make. It’ll probably be the most difficult thing you’ll ever have to do but you can’t put it off indefinitely. Procrastination is the thief of time so make a decision you can live with. Good luck.

IncompleteSenten · 08/02/2022 02:51

She has behaved very badly

She doesn't want a child - that is her choice and her right and you are not entitled to a child from her but she dangled a child in front of you so you'd marry her and that's wrong

I'd leave.

You'll only end up resenting her.

SexPeopleLynn · 08/02/2022 02:51

I think you need to leave for both your sakes

There's a lot in your OP and how you write about this that suggests that you aren't listening to her and that perhaps she feared your reaction in telling you how she feels

Your wife has been telling you over and over that she doesn't want children:

*she tells me she is worried she won't be able to give me a family

she decided to tell me that she doesn't think she wants kids

She told me she didn't want to get pregnant and do the whole child birth thing

she comes to me and says that she really doesnt think she can have a baby*

And yet you then go on to say last week, out of the blue she told me she wants to get sterilized. This could only be out of the blue if you haven't been listening to her. Instead you kept 'putting a pin in it' and then tried to 'educate her'.

You also talk about how you 'usually let your wife get away with most things' which sounds like you're talking about a young child, not a grown woman. And your MIL is a 'hypocrite' for supporting her daughters decision - so you clearly got her MIL involved hoping she would change your wife's mind.

Honestly, stop trying to persuade her she is wrong or needs to 'think about it' some more. She doesn't want children and has been telling you so for 4 years. Unfortunately divorce seems best for everyone.

SelkieQualia · 08/02/2022 02:53

There's a post about this at least once per week on mumsnet. The answer is that there is no compromise here - you either become patents or you don't, there is no half way. You want kids, she doesn't. As much as you love each other, you are incompatible. You need to leave, and you need to do it now.

Ilady · 08/02/2022 02:54

She said to you before you got married she did not want kids. You both still got married. You though she change her mind but she told you now she wants to be sterilised.

At this stage you need to make plans to move on with your life and find a lady who wants the same as you. You and your wife are not compatible. You need to tell your wife it's over as long term you both want different things. Your 35, you want a family and a lot of women end relationships due to the man not wanting kids.
In a few years time if you leave your wife you could have your own family.

MostIneptThatEverStepped · 08/02/2022 03:02

@IncompleteSenten

She has behaved very badly

She doesn't want a child - that is her choice and her right and you are not entitled to a child from her but she dangled a child in front of you so you'd marry her and that's wrong

I'd leave.

You'll only end up resenting her.

That's a bit harsh. I have a feeling the other side of the story might sound quite different.
BoreOfWhabylon · 08/02/2022 03:15

SheldonesqueTheBstard · 08/02/2022 03:21

It really kicked off a bit here - I went a bit mad.. So she repeated what she has always told you, despite your books and education and you go ‘a bit mad’.

she has decided FOR BOTH OF US that she is NOT having children. No she has decided she is not having a child (again as she has told you before). She decides for herself. She cannot and has not decided for you.

I caused none of this, she caused this whole thing by not being honest.

Again she has told you. She hasn’t lied. She hasn’t tricked you. You just haven’t heard her.

I too would love to hear her side.

AllyBama · 08/02/2022 03:22

It’s very very simple:

  1. Stay and have no children. Because it would be fucking abhorrent to bring an adopted child into these circumstances. She doesn’t want kids.
Or
  1. Leave and find someone who wants kids.

She told you at the honeymoon she didn’t want kids. Yeah, fine at one stage she said she did but she changed her mind. You should have left ages ago so stop wasting both of your time and move on.

Lightstoobright · 08/02/2022 03:28

I feel for your wife tbh. There is still so much societal pressure and expectation to have children that it takes guts to say that you don't want them. Everyone keeps saying "you'll change your mind" and tbh you believe them!

I am the same as your wife in that I've never wanted children, but I did seriously entertain the idea in my twenties because I assumed the hormones would kick in at some point and I'd get broody. That's what we're told will happen. As time went on and this didn't happen, the prospect of having kids became less and less appealing.

Then when I hit 30 the shit got real and I understood that it was time to make a decision. I'm 36 now and I've only just accepted that I really really don't want kids and that's ok! I've ended two long term relationships over this now. I was 'on the fence' in both relationships. Now I know for sure, I will always lay my cards on the table when dating someone new and if they want kids then it's over before it's begun.

But it's been quite a journey! So I feel for your wife because perhaps it has been the same for her - like a slow dawning realisation that motherhood is just not for her.

It sounds like she's been worried about your reaction each step of the way. These things happen. Many relationships end for this reason. There's no compromise to be had in this situation. You can't have half a baby. Sorry but you need to accept reality, stop trying to convince her and break up.

HootOwl · 08/02/2022 03:32

@SexPeopleLynn

I think you need to leave for both your sakes

There's a lot in your OP and how you write about this that suggests that you aren't listening to her and that perhaps she feared your reaction in telling you how she feels

Your wife has been telling you over and over that she doesn't want children:

*she tells me she is worried she won't be able to give me a family

she decided to tell me that she doesn't think she wants kids

She told me she didn't want to get pregnant and do the whole child birth thing

she comes to me and says that she really doesnt think she can have a baby*

And yet you then go on to say last week, out of the blue she told me she wants to get sterilized. This could only be out of the blue if you haven't been listening to her. Instead you kept 'putting a pin in it' and then tried to 'educate her'.

You also talk about how you 'usually let your wife get away with most things' which sounds like you're talking about a young child, not a grown woman. And your MIL is a 'hypocrite' for supporting her daughters decision - so you clearly got her MIL involved hoping she would change your wife's mind.

Honestly, stop trying to persuade her she is wrong or needs to 'think about it' some more. She doesn't want children and has been telling you so for 4 years. Unfortunately divorce seems best for everyone.

I agree. I found a lot of the OP disturbing.
frazzledasarock · 08/02/2022 03:42

She has told you repeatedly she does not want children.

Sounds like she has been telling you for years. You’ve simply ignored her and tried to coerce her, got her mother involved (then been enraged her mum isn’t taking your side).

Listen to her. She does not want children, she didn’t want children, she’s only reluctantly agreeing to the idea of adoption because you’re pushing her to.

This woman will not change her mind.

Your wife does not want children. She doesn’t need your permission to get sterilised (thank god).

Leave. For both your sakes, get divorced. Find someone who wants children.

TwoAndCooPlease · 08/02/2022 04:05

Never mind the advice you're getting to leave her. I think she needs to leave you and I hope someone gives her that advice soon

Why aren't you listening? Why did you think you could change her? Why are you behaving like this is a surprise when she's told you before? Why are you trying to educate a woman who knows what she wants to do with her body? Why when she told you once again did you decide to involve her mum as though she could change her mind for you? Who do you think you are!

Suzi888 · 08/02/2022 04:59

I’d walk away.
I don’t think she has been completely honest with you, not really. I think she has strung you along a bit to get her dream wedding by the sounds of it If she knew you were that keen to have children she should have ended the relationship - you sound like you hope she would change her mind in time.

Divorce- sell up. You are still young, you’ll find someone else to start a family with.