Can anyone link me or explain this conspiracy theory (I'm not a conspiracy theorist) posted before about now exDP getting worse and worse

[Whyyyyyyyohhhhhwhyyyyyy]

Hey guys me again

Im wondering if any of you can explain the AI sentinent/plant/humans being turned in AI conspiracy theory

My now EXDP believes this wholeheartedly and I want to know what I'm up against in terms of whether my concern and worry is over the top or I'm right to be worried. I cannot find ANYTHING on Google about this particular theory.

We broke up yesterday, he's now trying to upset and hurt me verbally with the name calling/derogatory comments and stuff he posts on social media.

I feel I need to know what I'm up against before anymore decisions can be made. I've applied for talking therapy for myself to break the bonds and have a professional to offload my worries and concerns about this too. I'm now back waking up with anxiety and feeling out of sorts because of the verbal abuse which will undoubtedly continue for the next few days.

I'm done trying to help but I feel I need to join a support forum for those of us who have lost our partners to conspiracy theories and speak to people who truly understand the gravity of this loss/situation and what comes next etc if that makes sense. I feel alone in this because most people I know have never (thankfully) been in this situation.

@Whyyyyyyyohhhhhwhyyyyyy Yes, you have spotted how careful he is about who he reveals his true inner turmoil to. And what a shame that his family aren't bothered. My ex's parents also turned a blind eye. Even after he had tried to kill someone, they didn't want to acknowledge that anything was wrong, such is the taboo of mental illness. Eventually, though, they changed the locks when he started threatening to dissect them. Nowadays, his whole family pretends he never existed.

It's enormously difficult to get mental health support for someone when they and their family are totally in denial, and when the person concerned is clever and well rehearsed in switching seamlessly back into "convincing normality" whenever the situation calls for it.

I used to fondly imagine that if someone was psychotic there would be all kinds of services to diagnose and treat them, but I discovered the opposite: in reality, lost souls can wander a lifetime, lurching from crisis to crisis, with no one ever intervening. Maybe it will be different for your ex, I hope so.

In terms of protecting yourself, for starters, avoid engaging with him and don't get sucked into debating his conspiracy theories. Have an escape route and people you can turn to in an emergency. I wish I knew what else to suggest. I hope others have some good ideas.

@moremoony

Your DC aren’t safe and you shouldn’t allow unsupervised contact until he’s been assessed. You have valid concerns. Stop all contact and see a solicitor ASAP. File a prohibited steps order and an injunction until your case can be seen by a judge. You state that you have valid mental health concerns due to obsessive and dangerous conspiracy theories leading to anger and uncontrollable outbursts. The court will get him assessed. You must go through proper channels here. Get social services involved. Dig in your heels and forget about being seen to do the right thing. You aren’t dealing with a normal person so all normal routes are now null and void. Seek immediate legal help. Your dc mustn’t be alone with him in case he has a mental episode and sees them as a robot who needs to be stopped. Common sense must now be applied

Yes, this is great advice, as is collecting all the evidence you can.

I'm curious to know, though, from anyone who is involved in this kind of thing professionally: what happens if the MH assessment concludes he is fine? He might easily disguise himself as no more than your typical anti-vaxxer, and beat the drum for civil liberties. What are OP's options in that scenario?

His beliefs are delusional. A delusion is a false belief that isn't real. It's a symptom of mental illness.

There is no point trying to unpick the AI delusion as if its  based in reality, because it isn't. It's a fantasy in his head. All you need to understand is that  TO HIM  it feels absolutely real and true and is probably very distressing.  You can't  dislodge the false belief; and the more you  try,  that only confirms to him that is IS Real.

  The best way to deal with it is to avoid the topic ( AI)  and only   address  the emotion his delusion [produces in him, and offer some comfort and reassurance at that level. Along the lines of   " I can see you're feeling really anxious and  worried, poor you. Lets  go for a walk/watch a film / do some cooking  to help you relax again.

  Many delusions provoke irrefutable  accusations  ( "You're one of them; they sent to you to trick me; you're an imposter double not my wife, you've been taken over by aliens).  In  delusional  mindset, if you deny the accusation that only proves he's right,  because denial is exactly what the alien/'imposter  would do.

  DH needs medical  help, diagnosis and treatment,  but it may be very difficult to convince him  he's ill.  Even if he won't seek help for himself,  YOU need some for you and the children. There is a lot of  free  help, education  and support for  partners and families, from mental health charities . Your  GP surgery can advise you of local sources.

There's quite a gap between being ill enough to be sectioned and still needing support. When it happened to my relative, the police psychiatrist didn't section him, but released him on the condition he went to see a counsellor/psychiatrist. They called the counsellor to confirm appointments, etc, and to update them on the police involvement.

I'm not sure how he's in contact but keep emails and texts. Also record calls or video him. I know that's not ok but if he's capable of normalising his talk, then you'll need evidence.

I believe he believes it all 100% but I believe he also knows if he was to tell the wrong person they'd have him thrown in the asylum quicker than he could say 'I'm joking' *

"Thrown in an asylum " is not his future.
Admission to MH in-patient wards is the last resort of mental health treatment not the first; and it won't happen unless either, he agrees to it voluntarily , OR, there is evidence of him being a danger to himself or others.

There are effective medicinal treatments that can help relieve the distress, anxiety and fear these delusions are causing to him. He can get better. You need to believe that as much as he does. Not least, so you can reassure your children. Daddy is ill, but doctors can help him.

From what you say, it sounds as if he is actually aware of being mentally ill (and so scared of the implications, he's trying to hide it and deny it). There is a positive to that. MH patients who are aware of being ill, have a head start on MH patients who have no awareness at all.

Last century, cancer was so misunderstood, hard to treat, terrifying, that people denied having it; often families denied the patient had cancer; and that degree of fear, shame, stigma and ignorance prevented people who could have been treated, from getting the help they needed. Now, people know more, treatment has far advanced, and plenty of people with cancer live a normal everyday life.

Some mental illnesses are still in the same dark age of hide/deny cancer used to be.. People are ashamed, keep it secret, won't admit, so don't get the help they need. We've just about reached a point where people admit to anxiety, or depression and know there is treatment that is effective for many. But they still don't know about or understand paranoia and delusions (two of the commonest symptoms of more severe MH) or that they are treatable.

Get yourself the support and help you need, to understand what is wrong with him and that there is treatment and hope for him.

You never know; if he sees you acknowledge the mess he's in and get some support for yourself, that might persuade him he really needs to do the same.

@2bazookas he's seen me go through therapy, he doesn't want it. He tried once and because there was a mix up with a therapist leaving and he didn't get told he went apeshit at them and never bothered again. He firmly believes all medication for mental health is used to simply 'numb the brain' and that he will deal with it all without any help from anyone (not working so great so far if anything he's worse. He has been given many different types of antidepressants he takes them for a week or 2 max and then packs them in. He won't stay on them long term, because 'big pharma' but will happily smoke weed and drink alcohol every single night

No matter what I or anyone else says he will never accept help, he thinks he can fix himself by himself. He doesn't really acknowledge he has a mental illness past abit of low mood, he will categorically stand by his belief that he is NOT mentally ill in any way, shape or form and that all it is is his consciousness expanding and he's getting closer to the 'truth' and ascending to new heights etc etc

Oh dear, he's following the same script as my ex, OP. The trouble is that this kind of insanity is normalised by Facebook etc, isn't it?!

I know my posts haven't been very helpful, I'm just hoping someone who understands the system can advise on how to deal with someone frankly delusional/psychotic who can still pass themselves off as OK. It's a perilous situation for everyone involved.

@Alcemeg you're not talking about Mark Steele are you?

When did his behaviour change? Through Covid? Or now you know what the signs are did it start before and get worse?

@TwoAndCooPlease around 4 years ago but got worse when our DC was born and then the pandemic hit 2 years later and its been more apparent since.

[quote Whyyyyyyyohhhhhwhyyyyyy]@TwoAndCooPlease around 4 years ago but got worse when our DC was born and then the pandemic hit 2 years later and its been more apparent since.[/quote]
I wonder if something happened in conspiracy world about that time....the friend I posted about got a bit more weird then too.

With Covid, I think a lot of people have replaced normal activity with time online and there's been an explosion of weirdness!

I didn't see your post from before I don't think....did he live with you before?

[quote CaMePlaitPas]@Alcemeg you're not talking about Mark Steele are you?[/quote]
No... perhaps a sort of downmarket version! 😂

I'm sure one day there will be stats to show that the era of COVID-19 was a time when many individuals with latent MH issues became more overtly delusional... I mean, back when my ex developed his paranoid notions, it all festered in his own head, in isolation. Nowadays you can find rich seams of misinformation to confirm some really twisted interpretations of reality, and the pandemic offers a rich smorgasbord of paranoid "explanations" for a situation we're all struggling to make sense of.

I'm so sorry this is happening to you. I cod say what I would do but I'm not sure how the system works. It does remind me of a thread where the poster's ex husband ended up in hospital and they had to navigate child access through the courts. I can't remember the name of the poster possibly jamais something?

It seems like he has quite serious mental problems. Have you spoken to his parents? What is their opinion? Imo yoi need to block him on social media and block his number. Speak to a solicitor about legal matters and the protection of your children